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Russia and Ukraine - On the Threshold of the American Proxy War

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... When Russians annex a part of Ukraine and illicitly conduct electioneering in America that's all cool. But god forbid America retaliates - that's imperialism and war mongering doncha' know.
When the US sticks its nose into Mexico's business you think you have a right because Mexico is in your backyard. The US has been involved in wars, political & military coups, and manipulation all over central & south America, Africa, Asia, the Middle East, and Europe. Where do you get the gall to say Russian has no business in the affairs of its own neighbour particularly when those affairs are directly concerned with agreements both Russia and the Ukraine have had?

BS equivalency, America did not take over Mexican territory.

Czar Putin fancies himself after Peter The Great...who was a big time imperialist last I checked.

America pushes American agenda around the world, no one is saying otherwise, but to call us imperialists while giving Russia a pass on it's agressive actions that go so far as taking over it's neighboring lands is ridiculous.
You are the perfect example of the uninformed and propagandize American.

Read up on the Mexican War. The US went to war to expand it’s territory. That is imperialism. Our government is based on imperialism.

Czar Putin...lol. How many nations has Putin invaded? Now compare that number to the USA. You likely still believe the proven hoaxes Russiagate and Bountygate.

Believing America isn’t an imperialist force is proof you are entirely uninformed and duped. Sadly, many Americans think as you do. Apparently you never got further in your thinking than fourth grade at the government school.
Are you Russian or American. You sure don’t sound American
 

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When the US sticks its nose into Mexico's business you think you have a right because Mexico is in your backyard. The US has been involved in wars, political & military coups, and manipulation all over central & south America, Africa, Asia, the Middle East, and Europe. Where do you get the gall to say Russian has no business in the affairs of its own neighbour particularly when those affairs are directly concerned with agreements both Russia and the Ukraine have had?
BS equivalency, America did not take over Mexican territory.
God gave you eyes but I don't know who is responsible for your reading comprehension. Read, boy read! I said the US is sticking its nose in Mexico's business. I didn't say the US took over Mexican territory. Anyway over and above "the US sticking its nose into Mexico's business" the US did - also - steal Mexican territory. But maybe you never heard of a tiny state called Texas?
Czar Putin fancies himself after Peter The Great...who was a big time imperialist last I checked.
Yeah, last time you checked the CIA-spun propaganda sheet.
America pushes American agenda around the world, no one is saying otherwise, but to call us imperialists....
Vietnam, Cuba, Cambodia, Laos, Iran, Irak, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Panama, Nicaragua, Guatemala, Costa Rica, El Salvador, Haiti, Bosnia, etc. etc. etc. My God!
... while giving Russia a pass on it's agressive actions that go so far as taking over it's neighboring lands is ridiculous.
ONE: There is no definitive proof that Russia has acted in any other way than honourable in the Ukraine .... and TWO: Neither Russia nor the Ukraine is any of business of the US. Leave Ukraine alone and go find that thousands upon thousands of WMD's you still can't find in Irak. That should keep you busy all through to the next millennium and out of everyone else's hair.
 

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... When Russians annex a part of Ukraine and illicitly conduct electioneering in America that's all cool. But god forbid America retaliates - that's imperialism and war mongering doncha' know.
When the US sticks its nose into Mexico's business you think you have a right because Mexico is in your backyard. The US has been involved in wars, political & military coups, and manipulation all over central & south America, Africa, Asia, the Middle East, and Europe. Where do you get the gall to say Russian has no business in the affairs of its own neighbour particularly when those affairs are directly concerned with agreements both Russia and the Ukraine have had?

Dont forget that the US was meddling in Israel's election under O, yet this president and dems have the gall to lecture russia on interfering in elections. Unreal.
Yes. Of course our criminal government has meddled in foreign elections around the world in numerous nations since WWII. Somehow many Americans aren’t aware of this or approve of it.
 

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Another Normandy format negotiations FAILED because of Ukraine's position, which is formulated and approved by the American State Department. Or rather, they were thwarted by the Ukrainian delegation, which proceeded to make DIRECT military threats against Russia.

The current administration is doing everything possible to drag Russia into a military conflict, the scale of which is NOT PREDICTABLE, given that it is said that an American submarine has ALREADY secretly slipped into the Black Sea.

The conflict with Ukraine could very quickly turn into a conflict with NATO, and I would not be surprised if the Russian "Poseidons" (underwater robotic torpedoes with nuclear warheads) are already thoughtfully sailing along their assigned route OR are already here by our coastal lines with the instruction to "stand by".

Considering that I live in New York City, I would not want this beautiful city, along with all of its inhabitants, to be "destroyed" by a giant ocean wave.

It is necessary to abandon the imperial mindset and declare that only America has its economic and political interests and has the RIGHT to have them. Other countries have them, too, and no one has the right to deny them that.
Even before Trump left the White House, I warned that Biden's arrival there would be the beginning of a new war, and for sure it would be MORE than one war.

Biden has only been in power for three months, and the world is plunging back into more death and suffering. And no one can take away the RIGHT to live from people... Not even those who think they are the "chosen ones".

This administration is under-educated and it does not realize that CHUTZPAH is an extremely dangerous tool in foreign (as well as in domestic) politics when they are dealing with the nuclear powers...
Listen Vlad, Russia is attacking and invading Ukraine.

The onus is on Russia
No, the onus is on us to stay out of their affairs. Dems continue to neocon and push for more wars.
 

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... When Russians annex a part of Ukraine and illicitly conduct electioneering in America that's all cool. But god forbid America retaliates - that's imperialism and war mongering doncha' know.
When the US sticks its nose into Mexico's business you think you have a right because Mexico is in your backyard. The US has been involved in wars, political & military coups, and manipulation all over central & south America, Africa, Asia, the Middle East, and Europe. Where do you get the gall to say Russian has no business in the affairs of its own neighbour particularly when those affairs are directly concerned with agreements both Russia and the Ukraine have had?

BS equivalency, America did not take over Mexican territory.

Czar Putin fancies himself after Peter The Great...who was a big time imperialist last I checked.

America pushes American agenda around the world, no one is saying otherwise, but to call us imperialists while giving Russia a pass on it's agressive actions that go so far as taking over it's neighboring lands is ridiculous.
You are the perfect example of the uninformed and propagandize American.

Read up on the Mexican War. The US went to war to expand it’s territory. That is imperialism. Our government is based on imperialism.

Czar Putin...lol. How many nations has Putin invaded? Now compare that number to the USA. You likely still believe the proven hoaxes Russiagate and Bountygate.

Believing America isn’t an imperialist force is proof you are entirely uninformed and duped. Sadly, many Americans think as you do. Apparently you never got further in your thinking than fourth grade at the government school.
Are you Russian or American. You sure don’t sound American
Yes I’m a traitor for speaking the truth. No doubt I’ll be executed in your beloved Orwellian tyranny.
 

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The Ukraine was founded as a Viking kingship, catholic. JoeXi is a catholic-CIA puppet pospotus. Men are never more homosexual than when they arrange marriages, which would include catholic mafia protection-racket punk theologians as well as gayer-than-gay, more-lesbionic-than-Lesbos CIA agents.
 

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Another Normandy format negotiations FAILED because of Ukraine's position, which is formulated and approved by the American State Department. Or rather, they were thwarted by the Ukrainian delegation, which proceeded to make DIRECT military threats against Russia.

The current administration is doing everything possible to drag Russia into a military conflict, the scale of which is NOT PREDICTABLE, given that it is said that an American submarine has ALREADY secretly slipped into the Black Sea.

The conflict with Ukraine could very quickly turn into a conflict with NATO, and I would not be surprised if the Russian "Poseidons" (underwater robotic torpedoes with nuclear warheads) are already thoughtfully sailing along their assigned route OR are already here by our coastal lines with the instruction to "stand by".

Considering that I live in New York City, I would not want this beautiful city, along with all of its inhabitants, to be "destroyed" by a giant ocean wave.

It is necessary to abandon the imperial mindset and declare that only America has its economic and political interests and has the RIGHT to have them. Other countries have them, too, and no one has the right to deny them that.
Even before Trump left the White House, I warned that Biden's arrival there would be the beginning of a new war, and for sure it would be MORE than one war.

Biden has only been in power for three months, and the world is plunging back into more death and suffering. And no one can take away the RIGHT to live from people... Not even those who think they are the "chosen ones".

This administration is under-educated and it does not realize that CHUTZPAH is an extremely dangerous tool in foreign (as well as in domestic) politics when they are dealing with the nuclear powers...
Listen Vlad, Russia is attacking and invading Ukraine. .......
Who told you that? The CIA?
 

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Another Normandy format negotiations FAILED because of Ukraine's position, which is formulated and approved by the American State Department. Or rather, they were thwarted by the Ukrainian delegation, which proceeded to make DIRECT military threats against Russia.

The current administration is doing everything possible to drag Russia into a military conflict, the scale of which is NOT PREDICTABLE, given that it is said that an American submarine has ALREADY secretly slipped into the Black Sea.

The conflict with Ukraine could very quickly turn into a conflict with NATO, and I would not be surprised if the Russian "Poseidons" (underwater robotic torpedoes with nuclear warheads) are already thoughtfully sailing along their assigned route OR are already here by our coastal lines with the instruction to "stand by".

Considering that I live in New York City, I would not want this beautiful city, along with all of its inhabitants, to be "destroyed" by a giant ocean wave.

It is necessary to abandon the imperial mindset and declare that only America has its economic and political interests and has the RIGHT to have them. Other countries have them, too, and no one has the right to deny them that.
Even before Trump left the White House, I warned that Biden's arrival there would be the beginning of a new war, and for sure it would be MORE than one war.

Biden has only been in power for three months, and the world is plunging back into more death and suffering. And no one can take away the RIGHT to live from people... Not even those who think they are the "chosen ones".

This administration is under-educated and it does not realize that CHUTZPAH is an extremely dangerous tool in foreign (as well as in domestic) politics when they are dealing with the nuclear powers...
Listen Vlad, Russia is attacking and invading Ukraine. .......
Who told you that? The CIA?

listen Vlad----Russian incursion into the Ukraine is
a time honored custom ----as russian as blini and caviar---(and vodka)
 

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... When Russians annex a part of Ukraine and illicitly conduct electioneering in America that's all cool. But god forbid America retaliates - that's imperialism and war mongering doncha' know.
When the US sticks its nose into Mexico's business you think you have a right because Mexico is in your backyard. The US has been involved in wars, political & military coups, and manipulation all over central & south America, Africa, Asia, the Middle East, and Europe. Where do you get the gall to say Russian has no business in the affairs of its own neighbour particularly when those affairs are directly concerned with agreements both Russia and the Ukraine have had?

BS equivalency, America did not take over Mexican territory.

Czar Putin fancies himself after Peter The Great...who was a big time imperialist last I checked.

America pushes American agenda around the world, no one is saying otherwise, but to call us imperialists while giving Russia a pass on it's agressive actions that go so far as taking over it's neighboring lands is ridiculous.
You are the perfect example of the uninformed and propagandize American.

Read up on the Mexican War.

....We are talking about modern history and recent developments in Russian and American foreign policy.

What the fuck are YOU talking about?
 

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Dont forget that the US was meddling in Israel's election under O, yet this president and dems have the gall to lecture russia on interfering in elections. Unreal.
The US has been meddling in the elections of many countries for many, many years. Just think about Vietnam, a country that was scheduled to hold Democratic election until the US arrived and started a war in order to stop the election altogether!
 

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Czar Putin...lol.

Yes, Czar Putin.

If you would have any clue how Russia operates then you would know that Putin is a de-facto authoritarian wrapped up in a pretense to democracy.

What he says goes. The media, legilature and judicial are fully beholden to his circle and he makes damn sure there is no viable political opposition to their rule.
 
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America pushes American agenda around the world, no one is saying otherwise, but to call us imperialists while giving Russia a pass on it's agressive actions that go so far as taking over it's neighboring lands is ridiculous.
...................... Believing America isn’t an imperialist force is proof you are entirely uninformed and duped. ....
So true, so true.
 

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I don't understand HOW governments "meddle"
in the elections of other countries -----ANYBODY?
 

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99.87% of all Americans don't give a fetid dingo's kidney about The Ukraine.
True but meaningless. The .01% run the country so they do as they want.
That's the truth.

... When Russians annex a part of Ukraine and illicitly conduct electioneering in America that's all cool. But god forbid America retaliates - that's imperialism and war mongering doncha' know.
When the US sticks its nose into Mexico's business you think you have a right because Mexico is in your backyard. The US has been involved in wars, political & military coups, and manipulation all over central & south America, Africa, Asia, the Middle East, and Europe. Where do you get the gall to say Russian has no business in the affairs of its own neighbour particularly when those affairs are directly concerned with agreements both Russia and the Ukraine have had?
As you must know, there are a lot of dumb Americans.
I haven't decided yet if they are actually dumb but I can say with the utmost certainty that the vast majority of them are ill-educated and "dumbed down" thanks to propaganda, censorship, and isolation.
A good indication are the numbers that enlist in the military and those who think doing so is tremendous
 
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The US has been meddling in the elections of many countries for many, many years. Just think about Vietnam, a country that was scheduled to hold Democratic election until the US arrived and started a war in order to stop the election altogether!

The fact that you would go back to 1960s to make your point just shows desparation.
 

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Czar Putin...lol.

Yes, Czar Putin.

If you would have any clue how Russia operates then you would know that Putin is a de-facto authoritarian wrapped up in a pretense to democracy.

What he says goes. The media, legilature and judicial are fully beholden to his circle and he makes damn sure there is no viable political opposition to their rule.

I am fascinated----how does PUTIN maintain his TIGHT GRIP?-----even the Czar bit the dust
 

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Czar Putin...lol.

Yes, Czar Putin.

If you would have any clue how Russia operates then you would know that Putin is a de-facto authoritarian wrapped up in a pretense to democracy.

What he says goes and he makes damn sure there is no viable political opposition to his rule.
Lol. Of course Putin is a ruthless dictator. So what?

You think his small military and economy smaller than that of California’s, is a threat to world peace. Yet somehow, magically, you fail to see the overwhelming evidence the USA is the world’s preeminent imperialist force, with a military and economy exponentially larger than Russia’s. How?
 

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The US has been meddling in the elections of many countries for many, many years. Just think about Vietnam, a country that was scheduled to hold Democratic election until the US arrived and started a war in order to stop the election altogether!

Got something in the last 30 years?
Yes. The Ukraine, Iran, Syria, Libya, Afghanistan, Irak, Venezuela .... want more?
 

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