Ukraine has effectively defeated Russia

[Robert W]

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The hardliners who built Putin’s Ukraine war are now saying Russia has lost 1 million men and is heading toward defeat​

Story by Alexander Motyl
• 3h•
5 min read

I hoped this would happen sooner. Ukraine has saved Donbas from Russia.
This is the war that never should have happened.

A million Russians were lost. This is a massive blow to Putin.

 

[Concerned American]

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The hardliners who built Putin’s Ukraine war are now saying Russia has lost 1 million men and is heading toward defeat​

Story by Alexander Motyl
• 3h•
5 min read

I hoped this would happen sooner. Ukraine has saved Donbas from Russia.
This is the war that never should have happened.

A million Russians were lost. This is a massive blow to Putin.

Yeah, yeah, yeah---I've been hearing that one side or the other in this conflict is winning for a couple years now. Let me know when it is over and everyone has gone home. I honestly don't see Russia giving Crimea back or the portion of Donbas that they currently hold.

 

[Robert W]

Yeah, yeah, yeah---I've been hearing that one side or the other in this conflict is winning for a couple years now. Let me know when it is over and everyone has gone home. I honestly don't see Russia giving Crimea back or the portion of Donbas that they currently hold.

I will. When it was said earlier, had Russia lost 1 million men. Had Ukraine perfected using Drones and smashing the Russians on their turf?

 

[Concerned American]

I will. When it was said earlier, had Russia lost 1 million men. Had Ukraine perfected using Drones and smashing the Russians on their turf?

Propaganda from both sides. Meh.

 

[Blaster]

This war is a stalemate.

 

[Concerned American]

This war is a stalemate.

That's what I see. The side that's winning all depends on who is doing the talking and who they side with.