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Russia and Ukraine - On the Threshold of the American Proxy War

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Are you Russian or American. You sure don’t sound American
Yes I’m a traitor for speaking the truth. .....
No. You are not a traitor. Your honesty (if it spreads) will save the US from destruction. You are a patriot, and that is a compliment.
Many Americans see me as a traitor. They would gladly except my imprisonment or execution as justice dispensed. So much for their love of the First Amendment and the Bill of Rights.
 

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... When Russians annex a part of Ukraine and illicitly conduct electioneering in America that's all cool. But god forbid America retaliates - that's imperialism and war mongering doncha' know.
When the US sticks its nose into Mexico's business you think you have a right because Mexico is in your backyard. The US has been involved in wars, political & military coups, and manipulation all over central & south America, Africa, Asia, the Middle East, and Europe. Where do you get the gall to say Russian has no business in the affairs of its own neighbour particularly when those affairs are directly concerned with agreements both Russia and the Ukraine have had?

BS equivalency, America did not take over Mexican territory.

Czar Putin fancies himself after Peter The Great...who was a big time imperialist last I checked.

America pushes American agenda around the world, no one is saying otherwise, but to call us imperialists while giving Russia a pass on it's agressive actions that go so far as taking over it's neighboring lands is ridiculous.
You are the perfect example of the uninformed and propagandize American.

Read up on the Mexican War.

....We are talking about modern history and recent developments in Russian and American foreign policy.

What the fuck are YOU talking about?
Stop wasting my time with your kindergarten education.
 

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I haven't decided yet if they are actually dumb but I can say with the utmost certainty that the vast majority of them are ill-educated and "dumbed down" thanks to propaganda, censorship, and isolation.
A good indication are the numbers that enlist in the military and those who think doing si is tremendous
Yes! A very good indicator. It also indicates the employment situation.
 

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I don't understand HOW governments "meddle"
in the elections of other countries -----ANYBODY?
The US has a long history of merely assassinating leaders they find unacceptable.
 

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The US has been meddling in the elections of many countries for many, many years. Just think about Vietnam, a country that was scheduled to hold Democratic election until the US arrived and started a war in order to stop the election altogether!

The fact that you would go back to 1960s to make your point just shows desparation.
I take it you haven't been following this thread if you think that's all that's been discussed. Is your reading comprehension that's at fault maybe?
 

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Another Normandy format negotiations FAILED because of Ukraine's position, which is formulated and approved by the American State Department. Or rather, they were thwarted by the Ukrainian delegation, which proceeded to make DIRECT military threats against Russia.

The current administration is doing everything possible to drag Russia into a military conflict, the scale of which is NOT PREDICTABLE, given that it is said that an American submarine has ALREADY secretly slipped into the Black Sea.

The conflict with Ukraine could very quickly turn into a conflict with NATO, and I would not be surprised if the Russian "Poseidons" (underwater robotic torpedoes with nuclear warheads) are already thoughtfully sailing along their assigned route OR are already here by our coastal lines with the instruction to "stand by".

Considering that I live in New York City, I would not want this beautiful city, along with all of its inhabitants, to be "destroyed" by a giant ocean wave.

It is necessary to abandon the imperial mindset and declare that only America has its economic and political interests and has the RIGHT to have them. Other countries have them, too, and no one has the right to deny them that.
Even before Trump left the White House, I warned that Biden's arrival there would be the beginning of a new war, and for sure it would be MORE than one war.

Biden has only been in power for three months, and the world is plunging back into more death and suffering. And no one can take away the RIGHT to live from people... Not even those who think they are the "chosen ones".

This administration is under-educated and it does not realize that CHUTZPAH is an extremely dangerous tool in foreign (as well as in domestic) politics when they are dealing with the nuclear powers...
Biden is going to do whatever the UN and whoever else is paying his ass off want--------
 

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Many Americans see me as a traitor. They would gladly except my imprisonment or execution as justice dispensed. So much for their love of the First Amendment and the Bill of Rights.
Never take idiots seriously. By reading their contributions to this thread it makes me wonder if they've finished primary school.
 

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Are you Russian or American. You sure don’t sound American
Yes I’m a traitor for speaking the truth. .....
No. You are not a traitor. Your honesty (if it spreads) will save the US from destruction. You are a patriot, and that is a compliment.

Many Americans see me as a traitor. They would gladly except my imprisonment or execution as justice dispensed. So much for their love of the First Amendment and the Bill of Rights.

gip, dear. We would gladly ACCEPT your execution---------exception is not acceptable
 

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99.87% of all Americans don't give a fetid dingo's kidney about The Ukraine.
Sure

probably about the same number that didnt give a shit about poland or ethopia or nanking prior to Pearl Harbor
 

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Are you Russian or American. You sure don’t sound American
Yes I’m a traitor for speaking the truth. .....
No. You are not a traitor.

See Gipper? Russian trolls think you are doing real well.

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The US has been meddling in the elections of many countries for many, many years. Just think about Vietnam, a country that was scheduled to hold Democratic election until the US arrived and started a war in order to stop the election altogether!

Got something in the last 30 years?
Yes. The Ukraine

Yea, I do think it was really wrong for America to annex Ukrainian sovereign territory...oh wait.
 
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Are you Russian or American. You sure don’t sound American
Yes I’m a traitor for speaking the truth. .....
No. You are not a traitor.

See Gipper, Russian troll don't think you are a trator. You are doing real well.
You think I’m a traitor, but you claim to believe in the Constitution. Why are you a hypocrite?

I don't think you are traitor, I think you are just a usefull idiot for Anti-American propaganda.

The fact that you can't even aknowledge Russians doing anything wrong is a testament to how far gone you are.
 

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Are you Russian or American. You sure don’t sound American
Yes I’m a traitor for speaking the truth. .....
No. You are not a traitor.

See Gipper, Russian troll don't think you are a trator. You are doing real well.
You think I’m a traitor, but you claim to believe in the Constitution. Why are you a hypocrite?

I don't think you are traitor, I think you are just a usefull idiot for Anti-American propaganda.

The fact that you can't even aknowledge Russians doing anything wrong is a testament to how far gone you are.
Did you see where I stated above that Putin us a ruthless dictator, or did you conveniently ignore that?
 

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... When Russians annex a part of Ukraine and illicitly conduct electioneering in America that's all cool. But god forbid America retaliates - that's imperialism and war mongering doncha' know.
When the US sticks its nose into Mexico's business you think you have a right because Mexico is in your backyard. The US has been involved in wars, political & military coups, and manipulation all over central & south America, Africa, Asia, the Middle East, and Europe. Where do you get the gall to say Russian has no business in the affairs of its own neighbour particularly when those affairs are directly concerned with agreements both Russia and the Ukraine have had?

Dont forget that the US was meddling in Israel's election under O, yet this president and dems have the gall to lecture russia on interfering in elections. Unreal.

Yes, please do not forget that supposed American interference operation with a $233k budget.

 

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