Why exclude what's being paid into SS and medicare?? Well, that's simple, because at some point, you're going to take that money right back out of the system when you're retired. SS and medicare were supposed to be separate funds, kept set aside, but we all know that they're not. And how much of what is collected in SS and medicare every day is going right back out the door to support those who are currently collecting because that fund was pillaged?? It would be different if they were paying into it without the promise of getting it back at retirement, but that's not how it's supposed to work. Not only that, you're paying it and receiveing no ROI for your trouble either, which is why the whole SS system needs revamped. When you pay into SS without the benefit of receiving it back later, then you might have a point that it should be counted as part of their tax contribution, but until then it should not.
And as far as coroporations go, you're right, so why does the left want to hurt the poor by raising taxes on corporations only to have them increase the price of their product or service, causing the poor to pay even more for them? Instead they demonize the corporations and try to get the poor suckers that are buying their goods and services to demonize right along with them since most of them are too ignorant to understand they're raising their own costs. It's brilliant when you think of it.
I don't see the 'deception'? Deception in what regards? The only deception I see is a bunch of elitist, very wealthy leftists that have made their fortunes off of the results of captialism urging those less fortunate to hate those that have succeeded because they only seek to control and use them to t
heir own ends, power and greed.
Twice since I began working , the federal gvt has changed what I was promised in social security and reduced benefits...and they are going to do it again...so what we pay in social security and what we were promised to get, there is no guarantee....same with medicare....there is no guarantee....
(I do agree with you that these funds and the spending on these programs should have been kept separate...but they are NOT separate and they are included in the federal SPENDING that is quoted all the time, and IF THEY ARE GOING to be included in the Federal budget spending, which reflects the budget deficit, then they should be included with what taxes are being collected to pay for this spending....to not include them is deceiving) does anyone at all, ever quote the budget spending without social security and medicare? NEVER.
And, when it comes time for repaying those Social security surplus taxes that were used to mask the deficit the past 30 years, our government is going renege or have to raise income taxes big time to repay them.....so we will see if we really get all the money back in excess SS taxes that we have paid....my bet, is that we won't get the money back in full....or they will devalue the dollar so much that it won't matter....
As far as corporate income taxes that the individual that buys their goods are really paying a good portion of....I can agree with you on that....
and romney said that these people not paying income taxes were government dependent people...what does that mean Newby? When MOST of the people who owe nothing in income taxes, owe nothing because they earned too little to owe anything....about 10k a year or 20k a year if married...and you and I and romney pay no income taxes on that first 10k as well, so these people are not getting away with anything that the wealthiest are not also getting away with or that you and I are not getting away with(for the lack of a better term)....they just owe no taxes based on lower incomes.
sooo, to me, the whole statement that these 47% are gvt dependent is simply one of the biggest gaffs of Romney yet....
