Roe v. Wade getting overturned!!

[whutTHEYsay]

One minute you say one thing, the next a different reasoning.

Provide one example.

 

[HeyNorm]

Provide one example.

I did. Embarrassing to you as it must be……….

Good one Biff.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

I did.

NFBW: What thread, post and paragraph?

HeyNorm230202-#7,060 Arbitrary again. A slow developing 24 week fetus has no better chance of living outside the womb, as a quickly developing 23 week gestated fetus. Therefore the 23 week gestated fetus, by the similarly situated legal standard, must be afforded equal protections under thei law.

With respect to the State’s important and legitimate interest in potential life, the “compelling” point is at viability. This is so because the fetus then presumably has the capability of meaningful life outside the mother’s womb. BLACKMUNN Roe vs Wade​

NFBW: When the state set it’s legitimate interest in protecting potential life at the compelling point of viability for a meaningful life outside the mother’s womb it changes the behavior only of women with an unwanted pregnancy to get an abortion by the government deadline.

In 2019, nearly 80 percent of the procedures reported to the CDC were performed before the 10th week of pregnancy. Almost 93 percent were performed before the 13th week.​

The meaningful reality you need to absorb is that for fifty years ONLY expectant mothers wanting to go full term with a pregnancy are “with child” during the 23rd and 24th weeks HeyNorm which renders your entire “similarly situated legal standard, must be afforded equal protections under thei law.” an argument with no merit.

Do you have data HeyNorm showing a surge in abortions at the 23rd week when the state has a 24 week ban? The following chart shows 99% of all abortions occur at the 20th week

HeyNorm Therefore the 23 week gestated fetus, by the similarly situated legal standard, must be afforded equal protections under the law.

NFBW: what 23 week gestated fetuses need equal protection with 24 week gestated fetuses under what law?

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[HeyNorm]

NFBW: What thread, post and paragraph?

HeyNorm230202-#7,060 Arbitrary again. A slow developing 24 week fetus has no better chance of living outside the womb, as a quickly developing 23 week gestated fetus. Therefore the 23 week gestated fetus, by the similarly situated legal standard, must be afforded equal protections under thei law.

With respect to the State’s important and legitimate interest in potential life, the “compelling” point is at viability. This is so because the fetus then presumably has the capability of meaningful life outside the mother’s womb. BLACKMUNN Roe vs Wade​

NFBW: When the state set it’s legitimate interest in protecting potential life at the compelling point of viability for a meaningful life outside the mother’s womb it changes the behavior only of women with an unwanted pregnancy to get an abortion by the government deadline.

In 2019, nearly 80 percent of the procedures reported to the CDC were performed before the 10th week of pregnancy. Almost 93 percent were performed before the 13th week.​

The meaningful reality you need to absorb is that for fifty years ONLY expectant mothers wanting to go full term with a pregnancy are “with child” during the 23rd and 24th weeks HeyNorm which renders your entire “similarly situated legal standard, must be afforded equal protections under thei law.” an argument with no merit.

Do you have data HeyNorm showing a surge in abortions at the 23rd week when the state has a 24 week ban? The following chart shows 99% of all abortions occur at the 20th week

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HeyNorm Therefore the 23 week gestated fetus, by the similarly situated legal standard, must be afforded equal protections under the law.

NFBW: what 23 week gestated fetuses need equal protection with 24 week gestated fetuses under what law?

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Equal protection | United States law

equal protection, in United States law, the constitutional guarantee that no person or group will be denied the protection under the law that is enjoyed by similar persons or groups. In other words, persons similarly situated must be similarly treated. Equal protection is extended when the...

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If you disagree, your just going to have to take it up with the LBGTQ. They are biggly into the equal protection granted to those similarly situated.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

If you disagree, your just going to have to take it up with the LBGTQ. They are biggly into the equal protection granted to those similarly situated.

NFBW: I do not disagree with equal protection to similarly situated classes of people. Your absurd idea that it applies to fetuses that become physically viable are being discriminated against if they live in a state that bans abortion after 24 weeks. You are desperately making things up to salvage your equally absurd slavery propaganda like this:

HeyNorm230120-#6,808 So 3/5 a person. Is that about right? Sound like the same rights the slave owners gave n***rs. ••••
You can play this game, but you still come out looking like you’re making the same claims the Nazis and Slave Owners made.
•••• The more things change, the more they stay the same.

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[HeyNorm]

We’ve (or at least you have) afforded the fetus governmental protections at 24 weeks gestation.

And I will ask again, what makes a 23 week gestated fetus, that has advanced further than a slow growth 24 week not similarity situated to be granted the same protection.

I’d hope for an answer, but we all know you just dodge and weave.

Good job Biff.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

We’ve (or at least you have) afforded the fetus governmental protections at 24 weeks gestation.

NFBW: Where have I or any government afforded the fetus governmental protection at 24 weeks gestation?

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[HeyNorm]

NFBW: Where have I or any government afforded the fetus governmental protection at 24 weeks gestation?

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You can weasel out of it at anytime, but you said you were for a constitutional amendment making abortion illegal at 24 months. You can put words into it saying it’s a right being granted to the woman, but in clear effect, you have granted the right of survival TO THE GROUP KNOWN AS FETUSES at 24 weeks.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

And I will ask again, what makes a 23 week gestated fetus, that has advanced further than a slow growth 24 week not similarity situated to be granted the same protection.

NFBW: Because they get the same exact zero protection by the law against being terminated if termination is the preference and action of it’s mother prior to the 24 week limit on obtaining a legal abortion?

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[HeyNorm]

NFBW: Because they get the same exact zero protection by the law against being terminated if termination is the preference and action of it’s mother prior to the 24 week limit on obtaining a legal abortion?

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There, you have just protected the fetus at 24 weeks. The fetus cannot be terminated at that point, granting it no less than, governmental legal protection!

Done and Done.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

you have granted the right of survival TO THE GROUP KNOWN AS FETUSES at 24 weeks.

NFBW: In a state that bans legal abortion after 23 weeks it becomes the indisputable fact and reality that there are no fetuses aged 24 weeks being protected by the government because after the deadline the intent of the law that woman seeking an abortion have done so, That leaves every 23 week fetus turning 24 weeks alive and well and heading toward natural birth in the living womb of it’s mother.,

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[whutTHEYsay]

There, you have just protected the fetus at 24 weeks. The fetus cannot be terminated at that point, granting it no less than, governmental legal protection!

24 week fetuses are not terminated because their mothers have decided not to terminate them not because the government waits to protect them prior to that age.

The truth is the government does not protect any fetus when the reality is that most abortions occur prior to 20 weeks

The practical reality HeyNorm is you have no similarly situated classes of fetuses because all fetuses after 20 week are treated the same and have the same chances at being born as the other. You have no case.

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[HeyNorm]

NFBW: In a state that bans legal abortion after 23 weeks it becomes the indisputable fact and reality that there are no fetuses aged 24 weeks being protected by the government because after the deadline the intent of the law that woman seeking an abirtion have done so, That leaves every 23 week fetus turning 24 weeks alive and well and heading toward natural birth in the living womb of it’s mother.,

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In obergfell, the LGBTQ, when confronted with the argument that only Men/Women could procreate argued that they may not be similarly situated to those that can procreate, but a group of Men/Women were allowed to marry that Could NOT procreate, so equal protection clause was appropriate to use because same sex couples were similarly situated to THISE THAT COULD NOT PROCREATE!

They didn’t have to be the same as the entire group, or even a majority of the group, but if any were ALLOWED the RIGHT, while unable to procreate, they must be allowed the right as well.

If the 24 week fetus is ALLOWED THE RIGHT TO SURVIVE, yet many 23 week gestated fetuses are actually more advanced THAN ANY 24 WEEK GESTATED FETUS, that right to survival must be granted then as well under the equal protection clause of the constitution.

Now, do you think I can find a 22 week gestated fetus that has advanced further than a now protected 23 week gestated fetus? You bet your bippy I can! And now, You must advance, because of equal protection, the same rights to the 22 week old fetus.

Do I really have to keep going Biff?

 

[whutTHEYsay]

If the 24 week fetus is ALLOWED THE RIGHT TO SURVIVE, yet many 23 week gestated fetuses are actually more advanced THAN ANY 24 WEEK GESTATED FETUS, that right to survival must be granted then as well under the equal protection clause of the constitution.

A fetus is not protected after the ban whatever date when it does not protect the life of the unborn from conception through birth and if it allows a large enough window of opportunity for a woman to terminate pregnancy legally.

That is because women who want an abortion get them ASAP and her fetus will never make it to 24 weeks because it is legally dead.

 

[HeyNorm]

the ban at whatever date when it does not protect the life of the unborn from conception through birth if it allows a large enough window of opportunity for a woman to terminate pregnancy legally. That is because women who want an abortion get them and her fetus will never make it to 24 weeks because it is legally dead.

DUDE, YOU CREATED A PROTECTED CLASS. And I have more than demonstrated, using the same equal protection clause that freed the slaves and granted the right for gay couples to marry, is equally applicable here.

You must just like dead babies Biff.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

YOU CREATED A PROTECTED CLASS

NFBW: You have not addressed a single explanation from me based on the fact that a ban at 24 weeks as a matter of both law and pregnant women’s choices does not create a class of protected fetuses at all. They are wanted babies by that point

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[HeyNorm]

Once you establish a protected group only the equal protection clause of the constitution applies.

You can claim that it doesn’t because mother doesn’t want it, the fetus is left handed or it has a bump on its elbow. That’s all irrelevant.

You created a protected group, and an unwanted fetus is similarly situated to the wanted fetus in way more relevant ways to kick in equal protection under the law.

We done here Biff?

 

[whutTHEYsay]

Once you establish a protected group only the equal protection clause of the constitution applies.

NFBW: have you forgotten that HeyNorm you try to claim that a live birthed newborn and an 8 month gestated fetus are similarly situated.

HeyNorm230117-#6,762 A 8 month gestated fetus is similarly situated to a newborn, as such, deserves the same rights under our laws.
^^
Monk-Eye230118-#6,765 Abortions at 8 months for those possibly termed as " without cause " do not occur .

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[HeyNorm]

NFBW: have you forgotten that HeyNorm you try claim that live birth an 8 month gestated fetuses are similarly situated.

HeyNorm230117-#6,762 A 8 month gestated fetus is similarly situated to a newborn, as such, deserves the same rights under our laws.
^^
Monk-Eye230118-#6,765 Abortions at 8 months for those possibly termed as " without cause " do not occur .

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Didn’t forget that at all. It’s how equal protection works

And your back to justifying slavery.

If a 24 week gestated fetus is due protection, a 23 week gestated fetus that is similarly situated, deserves same.

If you hadn’t noticed Biff, we are way under 8 months gestated.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

HeyNorm230117-#6,762 A 8 month gestated fetus is similarly situated to a newborn, as such, deserves the same rights under our laws.
^^
Monk-Eye230118-#6,765 Abortions at 8 months for those possibly termed as " without cause " do not occur
^^
HeyNorm230202-#7,079 Didn’t forget that at all. It’s how equal protection work
^^
NFBW: Abortions at 8 months for those possibly termed as " without cause " do not occur
Abortions at 8 months for those possibly termed as " without cause " do not occur
Abortions at 8 months for those possibly termed as " without cause " do not occur
Abortions at 8 months for those possibly termed as " without cause " do not occur

DO NOT OCCUR

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