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History INCLUDES everything, people , events and topics you don't like. You may have studied history, but you don't understand it. Please. Lee is definitely part of history, let alone American provincial as much as Lincoln or John Brown or MLK or Malcolm X.There is a statute in Ohio from the Civil War that is our heritage. You can see it here: 4th amendment rooted in county « Harrison News Herald. America was founded on the belief that all men are created equal, it took a while to achieve that and some may say we still aren't there. Let's not go backward. White nationalists, white supremacists, the alt-right, and neo-Nazis do not represent the heritage that is America. The confederacy sought to destroy our heritage as Americans not support it, that much should be clear. Over six hundred thousand died to maintain America's dream of equality for all.
"It is a ‘white man’s government,’ is it? Why, the very first blood shed for the assertion of your independence and the establishment of your nationality, upon the field of Lexington, was the blood of a black citizen of Massachusetts. And when they came to the work, after the victory had been achieved, and the independence of the nation acknowledged, of organizing a constitutional government of the United States, in a majority of the States of the Union the black men voted with white men, and the man who denies it is simply ignorant of the history of his own country. . . .
Your armies bore witness that 175,000 of the black population, made free by the proclamation of liberty, were in the army of the republic. When you consider that the majority of the black population were the slaves of rebels, and within their territory, unable to signify to the United States Government their unwillingness to serve it, the fact that as large a population of the black population as of the free whites rushed to the defense of your flag, speaks well for their patriotism. . . "
Source: Balkinization, 'John Bingham on Racial Equality' Gerard N. Magliocca
"Bingham lived two more years and died in Cadiz on March 19, 1900. Bingham was interred in Union Cemetery in Cadiz. In 1901, the citizens of Harrison County, Ohio erected a bronze statue honoring Bingham in Cadiz." | Ohio Civil War Central
And there is a history and a heritage and it is not one we should be proud of.
"There is a crucial difference between leaders like Washington and Jefferson, imperfect men who helped create the United States, Ms. Gordon-Reed said, and Confederate generals like Jackson and Lee, whose main historical significance is that they took up arms against it. The comparison, she added, also “misapprehends the moral problem with the Confederacy.”" Historians Question Trump’s Comments on Confederate Monuments
"“We would not want to whitewash our history by pretending that Jim Crow and disenfranchisement or massive resistance to the civil rights movement never happened,” he said. “That is the part of our history that these monuments testify to.”" [from above]
States rights my....
John Bingham and the Story of American Liberty: The Lost Cause Meets the 'Lost Clause' John Bingham and the Story of American Liberty: The Lost Cause Meets the 'Lost Clause' by Michael Kent Curtis :: SSRN
I Studied the Alt-Right So You Don’t Have To: I Studied the Alt-Right So You Don’t Have To – Form and Resonance – Medium
"Education is dangerous - every educated person is a future enemy." Hermann Goering
"Passionate hatred can give meaning and purpose to an empty life. Thus people haunted by the purposelessness of their lives try to find a new content not only by dedicating themselves to a holy cause but also by nursing a fanatical grievance." Eric Hoffer
Robert E Lee himself said he wanted no notice for himself after the war. He said it's time to accept the outcome and to the South he said "Raise up your children as Americans". HE understood it was over and time to move on. He wanted no statues of him and would be appalled that all this violence is because of statues erected by people of him that he would have rejected.
Most of these people in the South that claim 'heritage' don't know the history of the civil war.
No, he said to wait for a better times. We have clearly reached that point since the Civil War
-Geaux
He freed many slaves sending them to Liberia.To continue, Lee woke up over a thousand days and could have changed his mind. As "cool" as his persona has been passed down, I at best consider him similarly to Rommel.
Tell me Lee realized it wss 1860 and helped lead a coup or organized men against slavery and I may reconsider. (Maybe lee has a diary I have not read? Maybe he snuck funds to the underground railroad?) Until the I spit on his grave as well as the stars and bars of slavery.
FDR and Truman also had ties to the KKK...both democrats. Remove their history too.The Lee statues belong in a museum along with the confederate flag, not decorating our land in the USA.
Does the statute of Wilson also only belong in a Museum?
I saw a school named after Wilson. Perhaps they should change the name cuz he was a racist bastage.
Because Virginia was where he was born.General Robert E Lee is a key figure in the history of America. Of that there is no doubt. Of that there is no argument. There was no choice for him but to fight first for his state and then for the Confederacy.
One cannot judge that period in time by the minutes and hours of today's world. One must judge a man's soul and character by the period of time he was living in.
Lee was a man of honor. And as such, when he was commissioned by the Governor of the state to be Commander of the army and the navy of Virginia he accepted the position. This was in April of 1861.
Civil war broke out in May. The troops were transferred to the Confederacy and he was appointed to full General status.
Now if one has a decent bone in their body to recognize the conditions at this time that General Lee was living under one would realize General Lee couldn't say...
"I QUIT".
General Lee was an honorable man fighting on the wrong side of history. But if one is to recognize truth, one has to recognize if the South had won, General Lee would have fought on the right side of history.
Actually he did have a choice. He was offered command of the Union Army by Abraham Lincoln through a man named Edmund J. Davis, a federal judge before the war, a general in the Union Army during the war and the Reconstruction Governor of Texas after the war. Lee CHOSE to resign his commission in the US Army and support Virginia.
You do not learn history by looking at statues. You learn history by reading literature and watching movies.
Sherman also had slaves and did not believe slavery would end after the war.General Robert E Lee is a key figure in the history of America. Of that there is no doubt. Of that there is no argument. There was no choice for him but to fight first for his state and then for the Confederacy.
One cannot judge that period in time by the minutes and hours of today's world. One must judge a man's soul and character by the period of time he was living in.
Lee was a man of honor. And as such, when he was commissioned by the Governor of the state to be Commander of the army and the navy of Virginia he accepted the position. This was in April of 1861.
Civil war broke out in May. The troops were transferred to the Confederacy and he was appointed to full General status.
Now if one has a decent bone in their body to recognize the conditions at this time that General Lee was living under one would realize General Lee couldn't say...
"I QUIT".
General Lee was an honorable man fighting on the wrong side of history. But if one is to recognize truth, one has to recognize if the South had won, General Lee would have fought on the right side of history.
The Myth of the Kindly General Lee
The legend of the Confederate leader’s heroism and decency is based in the fiction of a person who never existed.
The Myth of the Kindly General Lee
I didn't say he was kind. I said he was honorable. He was called to duty. It's quite simple. As did Sherman. He was not a kind man either. They both did their duty for their respective sides.
General Sherman btw was a key player in the Indian wars. Despite fighting and winning for the Union should we now take down all memorials to Sherman for his wars against the First Nations?
They have already started vandalizing statues of catholic saints,Lincoln,unity monuments and protesting the removal of Teddy Roosevelt memorabilia from the NYC museum. As well as red X's from tile work in the NY subways because...it reminds them of the confederate flag.I wonder how much more history the far left thugs will want to erase after this Charleston episode. I'm thinking this is the start of a new industry, tearing down memorials and statues. On the other hand, it's actually been going on for quite awhile like when Tom Sawyer was taken out of many libraries because the word n i g g e r was in the book. The extreme left goons hate the word n i g g e r except when the rap music thugs use it a million times a day on t.v. and radio. Then they squeal and giggle with delight.
Wow, what Democrat statue is safe these days?FDR and Truman also had ties to the KKK...both democrats. Remove their history too.The Lee statues belong in a museum along with the confederate flag, not decorating our land in the USA.
Does the statute of Wilson also only belong in a Museum?
I saw a school named after Wilson. Perhaps they should change the name cuz he was a racist bastage.
I'd like to see someone attempt to erect a statue of General Sherman in Georgia.
That wouldn't last long.
They have already started vandalizing statues of catholic saints,Lincoln,unity monuments and protesting the removal of Teddy Roosevelt memorabilia from the NYC museum. As well as red X's from tile work in the NY subways because...it reminds them of the confederate flag.I wonder how much more history the far left thugs will want to erase after this Charleston episode. I'm thinking this is the start of a new industry, tearing down memorials and statues. On the other hand, it's actually been going on for quite awhile like when Tom Sawyer was taken out of many libraries because the word n i g g e r was in the book. The extreme left goons hate the word n i g g e r except when the rap music thugs use it a million times a day on t.v. and radio. Then they squeal and giggle with delight.
Sherman also had slaves and did not believe slavery would end after the war.General Robert E Lee is a key figure in the history of America. Of that there is no doubt. Of that there is no argument. There was no choice for him but to fight first for his state and then for the Confederacy.
One cannot judge that period in time by the minutes and hours of today's world. One must judge a man's soul and character by the period of time he was living in.
Lee was a man of honor. And as such, when he was commissioned by the Governor of the state to be Commander of the army and the navy of Virginia he accepted the position. This was in April of 1861.
Civil war broke out in May. The troops were transferred to the Confederacy and he was appointed to full General status.
Now if one has a decent bone in their body to recognize the conditions at this time that General Lee was living under one would realize General Lee couldn't say...
"I QUIT".
General Lee was an honorable man fighting on the wrong side of history. But if one is to recognize truth, one has to recognize if the South had won, General Lee would have fought on the right side of history.
The Myth of the Kindly General Lee
The legend of the Confederate leader’s heroism and decency is based in the fiction of a person who never existed.
The Myth of the Kindly General Lee
I didn't say he was kind. I said he was honorable. He was called to duty. It's quite simple. As did Sherman. He was not a kind man either. They both did their duty for their respective sides.
General Sherman btw was a key player in the Indian wars. Despite fighting and winning for the Union should we now take down all memorials to Sherman for his wars against the First Nations?
Sherman also had slaves and did not believe slavery would end after the war.General Robert E Lee is a key figure in the history of America. Of that there is no doubt. Of that there is no argument. There was no choice for him but to fight first for his state and then for the Confederacy.
One cannot judge that period in time by the minutes and hours of today's world. One must judge a man's soul and character by the period of time he was living in.
Lee was a man of honor. And as such, when he was commissioned by the Governor of the state to be Commander of the army and the navy of Virginia he accepted the position. This was in April of 1861.
Civil war broke out in May. The troops were transferred to the Confederacy and he was appointed to full General status.
Now if one has a decent bone in their body to recognize the conditions at this time that General Lee was living under one would realize General Lee couldn't say...
"I QUIT".
General Lee was an honorable man fighting on the wrong side of history. But if one is to recognize truth, one has to recognize if the South had won, General Lee would have fought on the right side of history.
The Myth of the Kindly General Lee
The legend of the Confederate leader’s heroism and decency is based in the fiction of a person who never existed.
The Myth of the Kindly General Lee
I didn't say he was kind. I said he was honorable. He was called to duty. It's quite simple. As did Sherman. He was not a kind man either. They both did their duty for their respective sides.
General Sherman btw was a key player in the Indian wars. Despite fighting and winning for the Union should we now take down all memorials to Sherman for his wars against the First Nations?
Robert E Lee himself said he wanted no notice for himself after the war. He said it's time to accept the outcome and to the South he said "Raise up your children as Americans". HE understood it was over and time to move on. He wanted no statues of him and would be appalled that all this violence is because of statues erected by people of him that he would have rejected.
Most of these people in the South that claim 'heritage' don't know the history of the civil war.
No, he said to wait for a better times. We have clearly reached that point since the Civil War
-Geaux
No he said never for himself. But he's now just a set piece for politics for the alt-right so they ignore HIS wishes. Yeaaahh.
Robert E Lee himself said he wanted no notice for himself after the war. He said it's time to accept the outcome and to the South he said "Raise up your children as Americans". HE understood it was over and time to move on. He wanted no statues of him and would be appalled that all this violence is because of statues erected by people of him that he would have rejected.
Most of these people in the South that claim 'heritage' don't know the history of the civil war.
No, he said to wait for a better times. We have clearly reached that point since the Civil War
-Geaux
No he said never for himself. But he's now just a set piece for politics for the alt-right so they ignore HIS wishes. Yeaaahh.
History INCLUDES everything, people , events and topics you don't like. You may have studied history, but you don't understand it. Please. Lee is definitely part of history, let alone American provincial as much as Lincoln or John Brown or MLK or Malcolm X.
He CHOSE to reject his country and help support a "new" one, killing Americans for 4 years.
"Whoever is without sin among you, let him be the first to cast a stone at her." John 8:7
Equivalence is the only argument the conservatives and right have in their basket of apologetic tricks. Once you had a bad thought so obviously you are equivalent to the worst racist or in this case slave owners who wanted to destroy the United States. When you can excuse behaviors or history so easily all evil becomes acceptable. Jesus's injunction on judging Mary Magdalene points to the ambiguity of judgments. Judge not lest.... So then how does the person the society, the nation teach or learn? It is quite easy, not all actions are equivalent, there is context and there is moral progress.
