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It's dangerous to our nation and our human resources to just wave a magic wand and claim everything Top Secret is declassified without conferring with the agency or Military that classified it top secret.Who is above the president and therefore able to set protocol and procedure for him or her to follow?
It's a fair and understandable assessment, but Trump should be cleared as well, but we know why he isn't being cleared. It's because Trump has to be destroyed at all cost just because he actually is that tough ace boss that fired people, and didn't take no bull shite on "The Apprentice and the Celebrity Apprentice" whether it was real or not....... Trump even has a Hollywood Star. Trump ran various corporation's, has properties all over the world, made a small but impressive fortune over an active career where he never sleeps. He's lived the American dream (every facet of it), and even became president at one of the most volital time's in American history. The man took a beating, but keeps on ticking.In 1945 President Roosevelt died. Vice President Truman ascended to the Presidency. One of the factoids of history is how ignorant the Vice President was. Not only did he not know of a lot of programs, including the Manhattan Project. He was ignorant of nearly all code breaking and intelligence activity.
It is a historical fact that this happened and Truman was caught Flat Footed. Since that time most Presidents have taken pains to insure that their Vice Presidents were briefed in on most things. This means that the VP’s were sent files to read. Including Classified documents.
Dozens of files every day. From every department in the executive branch. This way if the worst possible situation should arise, the Vice President can step in and assume the duties. He may not know it all but there is a foundation of knowledge to make the task at least doable. Instead of days or weeks trying to get caught up from zero.
If Pence, Biden, or Cheney had files they were sent by the Presidents office.
The Administration gets hundreds of briefing folders every day. Information the President needs to know. From the mundane, to the vital. Terrorism, diplomatic, legal, and more subjects than you or I can imagine. Most of them have a summary sheet then more information behind it.
I’ve said before. It is absolutely understandable how some documents might end up in the wrong pile. During the hectic period where you are transitioning to another administration people are just grabbing things and stuffing them in boxes. Like the hours before you move your stuff. That would be days or longer in an administration.
Something getting misfiled is all too human. As I said before. There is a difference between a mistake, and a lie. It doesn’t matter which administration it is. I will give the benefit of the doubt to a mistake. Mistakes happen. The smartest people in the world make mistakes. I make them. And I’ll laugh if you post that you’ve never made one.
The question is are you, I, or them honest about it? Pence was just cleared. The Federal Investigators believed it was a mistake. A mistake. Most people are like me. They believe in forgiving an honest mistake.
Pence had documents. But when they were found he called someone and when they wanted to look for more he cooperated. He did everything an honest man is supposed to. According to Reports a similar situation occurred with Biden.
That is far different than lying about it.
This post infers that Trump declassified unclassifiable material when you have absolutely no proof of that.It's dangerous to our nation and our human resources to just wave a magic wand and claim everything Top Secret is declassified without conferring with the agency or Military that classified it top secret.
Just because he is the top guy that can declassify, does not mean it is okay for him to do so, without following the steps necessary to protect our human intelligence resources and our nation.
There are no “steps” for the President to declassify a document. There just aren’t.It's dangerous to our nation and our human resources to just wave a magic wand and claim everything Top Secret is declassified without conferring with the agency or Military that classified it top secret.
Just because he is the top guy that can declassify, does not mean it is okay for him to do so, without following the steps necessary to protect our human intelligence resources and our nation.
Well, if you opened a case against a President who does not like being investigated......you would get fired too. Trump is famous for firing people who will not do as he tells them.LOL....then why did McCabe get fired?
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There are no “steps” for the President to declassify a document. There just aren’t.
www.nbcwashington.com
It's dangerous to our nation and our human resources to just wave a magic wand and claim everything Top Secret is declassified without conferring with the agency or Military that classified it top secret.
Just because he is the top guy that can declassify, does not mean it is okay for him to do so, without following the steps necessary to protect our human intelligence resources and our nation.
The President is the top classification authority. He/she doesn’t have to ask any other entity whether they can or should declassify something.HOW DOES DECLASSIFICATION WORK?
There's also a detailed process for declassification with rules laid out under executive order. Typically, if a president wants to declassify something, he checks with the agency in charge, which has broad say in whether the information becomes public, Gerstell said.
If documents are declassified, there’s usually a painstaking process of blacking out what information still stays secret. “It’s not a question of a concept being declassified, or boxes of documents. It’s a word by word determination,” he said.
The declassification order must be memorialized and any agencies that are affected have to be notified, Moss said. The individual documents then have to be re-marked to show they’re no longer considered classified.
“It’s not clear what Jedi-like lawyers said that you could declassify things with a thought, but the courts are unlikely to embrace that claim,” said Jonathan Turley, a George Washington University law professor who was a Republican witness during the first impeachment proceedings against Trump in 2019.
The Justice Department has said there is no indication that Trump took any steps to declassify the documents seized from his Florida home.
Can a President Declassify Documents and How Does the Process Work?
Former President Donald Trump claimed this week that he had the authority to declassify documents just by thinking about it. While presidents have broad authority to declassify material, but there is a detailed process unlike what Trump described. Here's a look at how declassification works.
They do. Or documents could disappear or end up in enemies hands and who would be responsible for their disappearance? The President.The President is the top classification authority. He/she doesn’t have to ask any other entity whether they can or should declassify something.
It's a fair and understandable assessment, but Trump should be cleared as well, but we know why he isn't being cleared. It's because Trump has to be destroyed at all cost just because he actually is that tough ace boss that fired people, and didn't take no bull shite on "The Apprentice and the Celebrity Apprentice" whether it was real or not....... Trump even has a Hollywood Star. Trump ran various corporation's, has properties all over the world, made a small but impressive fortune over an active career where he never sleeps. He's lived the American dream (every facet of it), and even became president at one of the most volital time's in American history. The man took a beating, but keeps on ticking.
My only problem with Trump is his method of winning or needing to win now, because it's not going to work if he goes after his opponent's personally, so he has to just let the issue's and policies touted be the winner for him. Desantis is going to stay focused on that I believe, and that could be a huge strategy for him to win. The politics of personal destruction is a turn off to most voter's unless the reasoning is a valid one.
Trump didn't have any good candidate opponent's that weren't a part of Washington cronyism in 2016, so he was knocking them down like flies. It's different this time, so he best becareful if he wants it all to work somehow in his favor again.
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They really don’t. You saying they do doesn’t change that.They do. Or documents could disappear or end up in enemies hands and who would be responsible for their disappearance? The President.
Wanting to believe what Trump said, that he magically declassified them, is on you.
It is not a matter or can or should. It is a matter of keeping record of what has been declassified so that they can be returned to their place when the President is finished with them.
It is no different than taking out a book from the library.
Come on, the US law says exactly what I said, be it for Trump or any other President. That has been the law since Nixon, since 1974.They really don’t. You saying they do doesn’t change that.
If they know what's missing, then they have copies or record's correct ? Ok, so what's really the issue is whether or not the documents they claim are missing were of the utmost security sensitivity, and therefore they wanted them returned or either to make sure that they are in a secure and safe location (i.e. FBI tells Trump to place a better lock on the door), so undoubtedly the security sensitivity issue wasn't so dire that any immediate drastic measures had to be taken right ?They do. Or documents could disappear or end up in enemies hands and who would be responsible for their disappearance? The President.
Wanting to believe what Trump said, that he magically declassified them, is on you.
It is not a matter or can or should. It is a matter of keeping record of what has been declassified so that they can be returned to their place when the President is finished with them.
It is no different than taking out a book from the library.
They do not have copies. You are endlessly attempting to excuse what Trump did.If they know what's missing, then they have copies or record's correct ? Ok, so what's really the issue is whether or not the documents they claim are missing were of the utmost security sensitivity, and therefore they wanted them returned or either to make sure that they are in a secure and safe location (i.e. FBI tells Trump to place a better lock on the door), so undoubtedly the security sensitivity issue wasn't so dire that any immediate drastic measures had to be taken right ?
Now in a political sense, otherwise when the opposition gets word of the issue, it then pounced like a cat on a mouse, and with the use of it's FBI and justice department as it's claw's.
Who is the Classification Authority? Where does everyone else who’s classifying things derive their authority from?Come on, the US law says exactly what I said, be it for Trump or any other President. That has been the law since Nixon, since 1974.
But somehow when Trump became President that law became null and he could just declassify without following the procedure set up by those laws?
Only Trump?
If any President wants to declassify any document they MUST go though the process of declassifying them with the organization set up exactly for that purpose so that the government knows what documents have been declassified. So that they have a way of knowing, after any President leaves, what documents the government is supposed to have as ALL documents must be archived by NARA.Who is the Classification Authority? Where does everyone else who’s classifying things derive their authority from?
The President. So even when it’s Trump the President is the ultimate classification authority. The office from which all classification authority is derived from and therefore doesn’t have to ask permission to declassify something.
Ok so the question is repetitiveness, otherwise has the government been consistent when it comes to it's urgency to go and get so called document's that it figure's to be of a national security threat or not from former president's or if allowed vice presidents or an appointee ? What are the patterns, and is this something that the government has struggled with greatly over the year's or did it all of a sudden start with Trump due to a political witch hunt in constant play ??They do not have copies. You are endlessly attempting to excuse what Trump did.
He chose and then took from the WH, on January 20th, 2021 documents which belong TO the Government of the USA, and should have stayed there. He took boxes and boxes.
15 of those boxes he willingly returned in January 2022. Then returned a few more in May. Then would not return what NARA knew was missing from then on, so the FBI had to go and get them. And more in a storage place. And possibly there could be more in New Jersey.
The Documents belong to the GOVERNMENT of the USA, not to the President, former Presidents, or anyone else, and they must be given to NARA.
Did Trump have documents that endangered official's in the field ? Come on now, tell us oh wise one.If any President wants to declassify any document they MUST go though the process of declassifying them with the organization set up exactly for that purpose so that the government knows what documents have been declassified. So that they have a way of knowing, after any President leaves, what documents the government is supposed to have as ALL documents must be archived by NARA.
It is not "permission", it is a process to make sure that Secret and Classified documents, which could cause the death of agents on the field, do not end in the wrong hands at any time.
Homeland Security. I am sure you should be worrying about it with any President. THat any and all of them are being as careful and not taking or keeping documents on purpose, which is what Trump did after he left the WH.
NO President is allowed to take documents with themselves, which are not their private ones, after they leave the WH.
Trump, aka Lord Voldemort, has an issue with following rules. Mainly because he has been President of his own organization for decades.Ok so the question is repetitiveness, otherwise has the government been consistent when it comes to it's urgency to go and get so called document's that it figure's to be of a national security threat or not from former president's or if allowed vice presidents or an appointee ? What are the patterns, and is this something that the government has struggled with greatly over the year's or did it all of a sudden start with Trump due to a political witch hunt in constant play ??
www.politifact.com
Maybe you're right about that. Write your congressman and tell him "there oughta be a law!" Right now there is not a law saying that the president cannot declassify documents without permission from the agency or the military.It's dangerous to our nation and our human resources to just wave a magic wand and claim everything Top Secret is declassified without conferring with the agency or Military that classified it top secret.
I'm glad you admit that he can declassify. I hope your fellow Dems don't chide you too hard for saying the truth out loud.Just because he is the top guy that can declassify, does not mean it is okay for him to do so, without following the steps necessary to protect our human intelligence resources and our nation.
Oh, ignorant one.Did Trump have documents that endangered official's in the field ? Come on now, tell us oh wise one.
