Restoring Honor Rally

[Liberty]

My god, zona is a fucking psychopath.

 

[rdean]

It's been decades since Glenn Beck or the Republicans have had "honor". Decades.

 

[Liberty]

we started losing our honor with andrew jackson. -Beck on his 8/27 radio broadcast.

it seems Beck is being more broad with his definition of honor than you statists are making it out to be.

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

we started losing our honor with andrew jackson. -Beck on his 8/27 radio broadcast.

it seems Beck is being more broad with his definition of honor than you statists are making it out to be.

Is this the type of stuff he always has on his show? Like the andrew jackson comment? I ask because, well, i've had issues with some of the history of what Jackson did and if beck gets into that kind of stuff I may tivo it to watch more than for 1 segment. I usually click through cnn, msnbc, then fox from 5-7 so I catch a little of him, until a commercial comes on then I go off to msnbc.

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

It's been decades since Glenn Beck or the Republicans have had "honor". Decades.

So then you agree with his wish and attempt to try and "Restore Honor"?

 

[Liberty]

we started losing our honor with andrew jackson. -Beck on his 8/27 radio broadcast.

it seems Beck is being more broad with his definition of honor than you statists are making it out to be.

Is this the type of stuff he always has on his show? Like the andrew jackson comment? I ask because, well, i've had issues with some of the history of what Jackson did and if beck gets into that kind of stuff I may tivo it to watch more than for 1 segment. I usually click through cnn, msnbc, then fox from 5-7 so I catch a little of him, until a commercial comes on then I go off to msnbc.

hes a pretty patriotic guy but he recognizes some of the worst parts of our history. since he has 3 hours for radio, hes been talking about washington and divine providence as something that should be america's method by which we achieve honesty and honor. he always says not to believe him, but to look up certain things yourself. thats why i like listening to him. hes not too preachy and he encourages people to discover their own truth about history.

tv show has a whole different vibe than his radio show.

 

[Flopper]

It will be interesting to see what is said about King. In the latter part of his career, King was engaged more in fighting for social justice than race relations. To anyone who has listened to Beck for 2 minutes, knows that is something he does not approve of.

Restoring Honor is a good title. The attendees can draw their on conclusion. My guess is it means restoring the honor that was lost when the Democrats took control, but then that would be political, and this is a non-political event.http://www.usmessageboard.com/images/smilies/eusa_angel.gif

 

[Liberty]

It will be interesting to see what is said about King. In the latter part of his career, King was engaged more in fighting for social justice than race relations. To anyone who has listened to Beck for 2 minutes, knows that is something he does not approve of.

Restoring Honor is a good title. The attendees can draw their on conclusion. My guess is it means restoring the honor that was lost when the Democrats took control, but then that would be political, and this is a non-political event.http://www.usmessageboard.com/images/smilies/eusa_angel.gif

I need to point out, and dont take too much offense but...

MLK fought for EQUAL justice under law. NOT social justice for minorities. get your shit straight please...this goes for all the other people too.

 

[The Infidel]

At least DR Martin Luther King Jr's family support Glenn Beck's Restoring Honor rally.

YouTube - Glenn Beck Talks With Dr. Elveda King - August 26, 2010

I watched it.... very good episode.

She is a very sweet lady, and I have a ton of respect for her.

Thanks for posting it up.

I enjoyed MLK's son better.

Good for you.... want a medal?

 

[Synthaholic]

Since Lonesome Rhodes Beck swears this is not political, who does he blame for the loss of honor he claims to want to restore?

 

[rdean]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2K8R2PDmbmA]YouTube - Glenn Beck: President Obama is a racist[/ame]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jh5jDIHAz60]YouTube - MSNBC: Glenn Beck Mocks Obama's Daughter![/ame]

 

[The Infidel]

Since Lonesome Rhodes Beck swears this is not political, who does he blame for the loss of honor he claims to want to restore?

All of us.... we ALL need to work on it.

That is what he has said on his show so many times, but it seems no-one wants to recall that part of it.

Its not directed at any one group or individual.

 

[Bfgrn]

It will be interesting to see what is said about King. In the latter part of his career, King was engaged more in fighting for social justice than race relations. To anyone who has listened to Beck for 2 minutes, knows that is something he does not approve of.

Restoring Honor is a good title. The attendees can draw their on conclusion. My guess is it means restoring the honor that was lost when the Democrats took control, but then that would be political, and this is a non-political event.http://www.usmessageboard.com/images/smilies/eusa_angel.gif

I need to point out, and dont take too much offense but...

MLK fought for EQUAL justice under law. NOT social justice for minorities. get your shit straight please...this goes for all the other people too.

Bullshit propaganda...

Martin Luther King, Jr. Was a Social Justice Christian

Jim Wallis

Christian leader for social change
Posted: August 26, 2010

My picture has graced the Glenn Beck blackboard a number of times over the past year. I am quite sure that if the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. were alive today, he would have been on Glenn Beck's blackboard long before I would have ever been considered. That is because Martin Luther King Jr. was clearly a Social Justice Christian -- the term and people that Beck constantly derides. If the Christians of King's era had listened to Beck, they would have been forced to walk out on King's "I Have a Dream" speech. If they were to heed his advice to turn in social justice pastors to the church authorities, they all would have had to turn in Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

On December 18, 1963, at Western Michigan University, King gave a speech whose topic was "social justice and the emerging new age."
Speech Transcription - Dr. Martin Luther King's 1963 WMU Speech Found - Archives - WMU Libraries

Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.: President Miller, Dr. Clark, members of the faculty and members of the student body of this great institution of learning, ladies and gentlemen...

In line with the theme that has been selected for this series, I would like to use as a subject from which to speak on social justice and the emerging new age.

If Beck had been there, I don't doubt that he would have gotten up and walked out as he has told his viewers to do if they hear "social justice" from their pastors. It might be foolish, but I hope that as Beck prepares for his rally on Saturday, he takes the time to read this speech and think about what it says. In it King explained why for justice to be just it can not only be individual, but must also be social:

All I'm saying is simply this, that all life is interrelated, that somehow we're caught in an inescapable network of mutuality tied in a single garment of destiny. Whatever affects one directly affects all indirectly. For some strange reason, I can never be what I ought to be until you are what you ought to be. You can never be what you ought to be until I am what I ought to be. This is the interrelated structure of reality.

This is why in the Old Testament, God commands his people to be charitable but also to work for justice. The people of God are to give offerings of their own free will, but there are also laws that show the government has a legitimate role to play. As a Christian, I believe that Jesus changes people's hearts and lives, and that is something that government policy can never compete with. But, I also believe that personal charity does not do the work of justice. Here is how King put it in that same speech:

Now the other myth that gets around is the idea that legislation cannot really solve the problem and that it has no great role to play in this period of social change because you've got to change the heart and you can't change the heart through legislation. You can't legislate morals. The job must be done through education and religion. Well, there's half-truth involved here. Certainly, if the problem is to be solved then in the final sense, hearts must be changed. Religion and education must play a great role in changing the heart. But we must go on to say that while it may be true that morality cannot be legislated, behavior can be regulated. It may be true that the law cannot change the heart but it can restrain the heartless. It may be true that the law cannot make a man love me but it can keep him from lynching me and I think that is pretty important, also. So there is a need for executive orders. There is a need for judicial decrees. There is a need for civil rights legislation on the local scale within states and on the national scale from the federal government.

King recognized misunderstandings like this as obstacles to social justice. But, ultimately he was hopeful:

I think with all of these challenges being met and with all of the work, and determination going on, we will be able to go this additional distance and achieve the ideal, the goal of the new age, the age of social justice.

Yes, King named social justice as the goal of the new age. This is why so many Christians were willing to turn themselves in to Beck as Social Justice Christians. It was not difficult for them to choose between King's interpretation of the gospel and Beck's interpretation that I know some in his own Mormon church are not comfortable with.

Did King believe that the role of government was only to eliminate discrimination? No. As he wrote in "Showdown for Nonviolence" in 1968, it played a role in ending poverty too:

We will place the problems of the poor at the seat of government of the wealthiest nation in the history of mankind. If that power refuses to acknowledge its debt to the poor, it would have failed to live up to its promise to insure "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness to its citizens. (From A Testament of Hope: The Essential Writings and Speeches of Martin Luther King Jr.)

 

[The Infidel]

Jim Wallace is a divider and only wants to stir up hatred



I would'nt go to him for spiritual advice if he was the last human on earth

 

[Flopper]

It will be interesting to see what is said about King. In the latter part of his career, King was engaged more in fighting for social justice than race relations. To anyone who has listened to Beck for 2 minutes, knows that is something he does not approve of.

Restoring Honor is a good title. The attendees can draw their on conclusion. My guess is it means restoring the honor that was lost when the Democrats took control, but then that would be political, and this is a non-political event.http://www.usmessageboard.com/images/smilies/eusa_angel.gif

I need to point out, and dont take too much offense but...

MLK fought for EQUAL justice under law. NOT social justice for minorities. get your shit straight please...this goes for all the other people too.

I did not say or imply that King fought for social justice for just minorities. For example, the 1968 Poor Peoples Campaign organized by King, was a multiracial campaign and was a demand for economic aid for the poor.

 

[Bfgrn]

Jim Wallace is a liar!

Hey PEA brain...you don't have to believe Wallis, just READ Martin Luther Jr speech...given on December 18, 1963 when Glenn Beck was 2 months old.

Speech Transcription - Dr. Martin Luther King's 1963 WMU Speech Found - Archives - WMU Libraries

Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.: President Miller, Dr. Clark, members of the faculty and members of the student body of this great institution of learning, ladies and gentlemen...

In line with the theme that has been selected for this series, I would like to use as a subject from which to speak on social justice and the emerging new age.

...

I think with all of these challenges being met and with all of the work, and determination going on, we will be able to go this additional distance and achieve the ideal, the goal of the new age, the age of social justice.

 

[Synthaholic]

Since Lonesome Rhodes Beck swears this is not political, who does he blame for the loss of honor he claims to want to restore?

All of us.... we ALL need to work on it.

That is what he has said on his show so many times, but it seems no-one wants to recall that part of it.

Its not directed at any one group or individual.

Who the fuck is Glen Beck to say that Americans have no honor? And where are all the Rightwingers, ready to ask him why he hates America? If a Liberal accused Americans of needing to restore their honor, wingnut heads would be exploding.

Going to that rally is an admission that you have no honor, and need to have it somehow 'restored' by Beck.

 

[Mr Natural]

Since Lonesome Rhodes Beck swears this is not political, who does he blame for the loss of honor he claims to want to restore?

All of us.... we ALL need to work on it.

That is what he has said on his show so many times, but it seems no-one wants to recall that part of it.

Its not directed at any one group or individual.

Who the fuck is Glen Beck to say that Americans have no honor? And where are all the Rightwingers, ready to ask him why he hates America? If a Liberal accused Americans of needing to restore their honor, wingnut heads would be exploding.

Going to that rally is an admission that you have no honor, and need to have it somehow 'restored' by Beck.

You can bet that the attendees all believe that they have honor and it 's the rest of us who need to have it restored.

 

[Avatar4321]

You guys really think we are an honorable nation anymore?

Take a look at any headline.

Corruption, crime is rampant.

Our economy is in the middle of a depression because people had no honor or integrity in their business dealings.

Look at the past 4 administrations. You honestly think we've had honorable people in power most of those times?

We get corrupt politicians because the people are themselves corrupt. We need to begin empowering people with integrity and truth again. Because we are going to be going through some pain soon. It's inevitable. The only question is whether we are prepared for it or not.

Does anyone honestly think we can continue spending carelessly with no consequences? Doesn't matter whether it's personal or public spending, eventually the bill comes in and if we aren't ready, we are screwed.

Does anyone honestly think we can tolerate corruption in our politicians and bueaucracies and there are no consequences?

You think we can have a strong economy when we can't trust one another?

Do you think we can be world leaders when others can't trust us?

You think our children will grow to be honorable people if they see us being dishonest and easily corrupted?

Every single individual needs to look at their lives. They need to root out all corruption. They need to be honest in word and deed. They need to do what they say they will do. They need to do what it takes to meet their responsibilities to take care of themselves, their families, and then do what they can for the community at large.

I am the first one to acknowledge that I need work. Can you honestly say you don't?

And don't confuse honor with pride.

 

[ussmillerco]

Wow, Im quite amazed I had to write this at all. Its about restoring honor of our country by "we the people" . Now reading some of the posts I find it Quite alarming for anyone to say our country doesnt need to take a serious look at restoring its honor. Not to mention for Individuals to look at restoring their honor. Maybe For some I suspect its all about hatred towards who's asking us to do it(Glenn Beck). For whatever your reasons I sure dont understand you. Are you really that Obtuse to whats going on in this country. The lack of honesty, integrity, the outright abandonment of character, when a mans word is constantly abandoned, the lack of shame, the ease in which many take advantage of one another. Cant you See that. I really dont think theres two meanings of the word honor. Its not right honor vs. left honor, red state honor vs. Blue state honor. In fact its entirely non partisan. If we cant come together as americans to look at the meaning of honor and seriously take an honest look at where were falling short as individuals and as a nation. Then does any of this even matter?