Republicans..The real allies of African Americans

[Jroc]

I gave you facts
you gave us a lot of spin meant to HIDE THE REALITY that CONSERVATIVES OPPOSED equality/rights/freedom for blacks

it is true that LIBERAL REPUBLICANS helped fight for rights for blacks....
at one time.....long ago

the FACTS ALSO ARE
that GENERIC LIBERALS, DEMOCRATIC LIBERALS, THE ACLU (guys you hate) ALSO WORKED, FOUGHT (and DIED/WERE MURDERED by SOUTHERN CHRISTIAN CONSERVATIVES in their work to help blacks


today conservatives STILL show SOME racism;

with racist remarks directed at obama and his family

by insisting that
a. blacks don't work
blacks are all on welfare
blacks are LUCKY they were enslaved so that they ended up in welfare in America
blacks are VIOLENT
blacks are CRIMINALS
blacks are STUPIDer than whites

so...
yes....you are right....LIBERAL PROGRESSIVE REPUBLICANS helped to fight for rights/equality and freedom for blacks

and I am ALSO right
conservatives did NOT



there was this cartoon ....
(you'll appreciate this)

there are some white conservatives outside a church getting ready to march against liberals


they have signs saying "liberals are anti-god"
and "liberals are an abomination in the eyes of the lord"


a couple of black conservatives approach them and say...."we hate liberals TOO! can we march with you...."


and the white guys say...."sure...go into the basement of that church over there. You will
find some old signs...but they will need to be repainted...."


so the black guys go into the basement of the old church

and they find the signs....


that are obviously from the 60's

cus they say..."segregation is against god"
and "nigg-rs are an abomination in the eyes of the lord"

Gibberish... anecdotal bullshit, Anyway the thread is on which party has been better for African Americans, that would be the Republican party. Like I said, give me facts as you see them, then back um up with some evidence. What you just posted is meaningless without facts to back it up. My posts are fact based, and as of yet no one has refuted any of them. I’m inviting you or anyone else to try, but let’s deal in facts only please.

 

[Rousseau]

You would have to have a very elementary, almost childlike view of American politics to think that the Republican party of the 19th century Civil War era is anything like the GOP of the 21st century.

During the Civil War era (from which most of your bullet points are from), Republicans were the progressive liberals (called modernists and ex-whigs and abolitionists) and the Democratic party (the oldest political party in the U.S.) were more conservative. Republicans back then had almost a socialist approach to economic policy, they passed "free land" legislation which made it so big business farmers didn't have a monopoly over land and independent farmers in an area. They expanded federal government and it's roles, believed power should be more centrist (basically the opposite of a modern Conservative). Very progressive stuff for the 1800s.

It is also worth noting that the Democratic party was split into Southern and Northern Democratic parties at the time.

Based on his political policies and views on everything from economic policies to social policies Abraham Lincoln would probably not be a Republican today. This is something anyone with even the slightest knowledge of history of the political parties and Lincoln's political policy would know. Very basic stuff here folks, come on.

 

[editec]

The only GOP or DEMs that matter now is the ones we have now.

What difference does it make what national parties USED TO BE?

Neither of them is a shadow of their former selves.

Both parties have completely different agendas than they once had.

 

[Jroc]

During the Civil War era (from which most of your bullet points are from), Republicans were the progressive liberals (called modernists and ex-whigs and abolitionists) and the Democratic party (the oldest political party in the U.S.) were more conservative. Republicans back then had almost a socialist approach to economic policy, they passed "free land" legislation which made it so big business farmers didn't have a monopoly over land and independent farmers in an area. They expanded federal government and it's roles, believed power should be more centrist (basically the opposite of a modern Conservative). Very progressive stuff for the 1800s

.

I don't see how giving people the opportunity to own a piece of land if they settled it, worked it, and made it their own, to which the purpose was to expand the country into unsettled areas would be considered liberal. I think a more liberal view would be to have everyone as a group working the land and then distribute it equally among them no matter how much each individual person contributed to that goal.

Based on his political policies and views on everything from economic policies to social policies Abraham Lincoln would probably not be a Republican today. This is something anyone with even the slightest knowledge of history of the political parties and Lincoln's political policy would know. Very basic stuff here folks, come on

Very basic stuff? What does the conservative movement stand for? Smaller government and individual liberties, which is the opposite of slavery. Of course Lincoln had to do a lot of things in order to save the union at the time, but the core premise of conservatism is FREEDOM from a tyrannical government. and thats very basic stuff.

 

[California Girl]

Historically Significant Black Experiences

Historical Points of Interest

1. One of the primary reasons the Republican Party came into existence was because of its opposition to the Democrat Party’s support and promoting of The Kansas-Nebraska Act of 1854. This act repealed the Anti-Slavery Missouri Compromise Law. The Missouri Compromise was an attempt to halt the spread of slavery beyond a certain point in the Louisiana Territory.

2. In 1854 at Jackson, Michigan a group of men met to form a new political party and one of the primary things that they agreed on, was their opposition to slavery and in particular the Kansas-Nebraska Act of 1854. So while the Democratic Party was feverishly fighting to preserve slavery, the Republicans were meeting in Jackson, Michigan to destroy it.

3. The first candidate the Republican selected was Col. John C. Fremont who ran against pro-slavery candidate, Democrat James Buchanan. Even though Fremont loss it is interesting to know that he was the Republicans first anti-slavery presidential candidate.

4. In 1858, Republican Abraham Lincoln faced Democrat Stephen Douglas in a race for U.S. Senate in Illinois. That campaign became famous for the Lincoln-Douglas debates, with Democrat Stephen Douglas defending slavery and Republican Abraham Lincoln opposing it.

5. Lincoln is quoted as saying in 1858 the following, “A house divided against itself cannot stand. I believe the government cannot endure permanently half slave and half free.” And it was with this attitude that Lincoln became the Republicans first elected president, in 1860.
6. Republican President Lincoln is quoted as saying the following to an Indiana Regiment: “Whenever I hear anyone arguing for slavery, I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on him personally.”

7. After experiencing repeated defeats during the Civil War, Lincoln declared, “On many a defeated field there was a voice louder than the thundering of a cannon. It was the voice God, crying, “Let My People go.” We…came to believe it as a great and solemn command.

8. In response to what Lincoln believed to be a divine mandate on January 1, 1863, he issued an edict we commonly call, The Emancipation Proclamation. And even though this act did not free all slaves or solves the slave problem, it led to change for the slave population in this country. (It is said that Lincoln before his death said, “The central act of my administration, and the greatest even of the nineteenth century was the Emancipation Proclamation…
”
9. Two of the greatest fighters for the freedom of the slaves were two Republicans by the name of Charles Sumner and Thaddeus Stevens. Lerone Bennett, Jr. the historian said this regarding these two men. “Charles Sumner and Thaddeus Stevens educated Lincoln, and the country, to a policy of Black Emancipation.” To them, as much as to conservative Lincoln, black people owe their freedom.

10. Republicans Sumner and Stevens were responsible for three (3) amendments to the Constitution which freed black people from slavery, made them citizens with all the rights of all Americans and the right to vote. They did this even though the Democrats fought to prevent them from bringing these laws to pass.

11. Thaddeus Stevens also fought to give every freed slave forty acres of land and a mule, so that slaves could take care of their families

12. The dream of forty acres and a mule was destroyed when Lincoln was killed and his vice president, Andrew Johnson, a Democrat replaced Lincoln and said of Black people, “Black people were inferior to whites and unready for equal rights. So he worked to destroy much of what Republicans had worked and fought so hard for.

13. One of the greatest periods of freedom Blacks ever enjoyed in America was between 1867 and 1877. The Republican Party was responsible for this period of time, and many positive changes took place for Blacks during the time of the enforcement of a series of measures called, Reconstruction Acts. W.E. B. Dubois called this period the, “Mystic Years.”

14. Here are but a few things that happen during the Reconstruction period. A. Hiram Rhodes Revels (Republican) became the first Black in congress, holding the position of U.S. Senator B. Republican Joseph H. Rainey from South Carolina became the first member of the U.S. House of Representatives C. In 1875, Blanche Kelso Bruce of Mississippi was elected to U.S. Senate, the first black to serve a full term in the Senate. In 1871, he was appointed by Republican President James A. Garfield as Registrar of the U.S. Treasury.


15. During the Republican supported period called, Reconstruction, blacks held state offices throughout the South, they were superintendents of education. Black and White children went to school together, interracial marriages were common and we didn’t ride on the back of the bus. Black colleges like Howard, Fisk and Morehouse came into being.

16. The Democrats never accepted the Reconstruction Period, as the last word and they went about to take all these advancements back, through groups such as the Ku Klux Klan. Most klans men were Democrats. Lerone Bennett, Jr. says this about how the Democrats went about destroying the Reconstruction period. “By stealth and murder, by economic intimidation and political assassinations, by whippings and mamings, cuttings and shootings, by the knife, by the rope, by the whip. By the political use of terror, by the braining of the baby in its mothers arms, the slaying of the husband at his wife’s feet, the raping of the wife before her husbands’ eves. By fear….In every state, Democrats attempted to control the votes of their late slaves…and the Democrats succeeded in destroying the greatest time of freedom Blacks ever enjoyed in America.”


17. The great Black Republican abolitionist Frederick Douglass had this to say about the Democratic Party, “…Sir, it is evident that there is in this country a purely slavery party- a party which exists for no other earthly purpose than to promote the interests of slavery….For the present, the best representative of the slavery party in politics is the Democratic party.”

18. During the rebirth of the Civil Rights movement of the 50’s and 60’s the overwhelming number of governors who stood in their respective school doors to block blacks from attending their schools were Democrats such as, Alabama Democratic Governor George Wallace, who stood in the schoolhouse door, Georgia Democratic Governor Lester Maddox stood in his restaurant door with a pistol on his hip and men with ax handles stood behind him to block blacks from coming into his business, Mississippi Governor Ross Barnett declared he would stand against federal laws regarding integration, and then there is Arkansas Governor Orval Faubus who sent his national guard to prevent black children from entering Arkansas schools.

19. On September 25, 1957, Republican President Dwight D. Eisenhower in a record breaking time of a little over three weeks sent federal troops to Arkansas to ensure the safety of black children who were integrating Arkansas schools.

20. The passage of the Civil Rights Acts of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965 would not have been possible without the strong cohesive support of the Republican. In fact, all Southern Democrats voted against the Civil Rights Act, including Al Gore, Sr. though President Lyndon Johnson was a Democrat he couldn’t get enough votes from his own party to pass civil rights laws, he needed the help of a willing Republican majority.

21. It is reported that over 4000 Ku Klux Klan killings took place during the terrible time of their reign of terror, but a better plan has been developed which eliminates over 400,000 black people every year, this plan has been so effective until Hispanics now out number Blacks in America. This effective gift of genocide comes from the Democratic Party supported practice called, Abortion.

Black History

That's all good history .. MEANINGLESS today.

Fast forward to today and the Republican Party is a shadow of its former self. No connection whatsoever.

Your pro-BORN-life stance has no bearing on the topic.

Try this one on for size ...

Which party do you think all those black elected officials belong to?

That's the Congressional Black Caucus in 1973

Republicans will never have that many black members of Congress.

Today's Republican Party is an all-white party that has no interest in the African-American struggle.

That's not a secret.

Firstly, 'never' is a very long time. None of us know what the future holds so making such claims show only stupidity. You cannot prove it.

Secondly, it's not a secret..... because it isn't true.

Please continue to post your hysterical whining though, it's entertaining.

I do apologize that I cannot continue this discussion with you. I am not fluent in 'stupid'.

 

[Rousseau]

I don't see how giving people the opportunity to own a piece of land if they settled it, worked it, and made it their own, to which the purpose was to expand the country into unsettled areas would be considered liberal. I think a more liberal view would be to have everyone as a group working the land and then distribute it equally among them no matter how much each individual person contributed to that goal.

Wow. It's obvious you're confusing the Homestead Act with what I mentioned... the "free land" legislation that the first Republicans proposed is legislation where the government could CONFISCATE farm land from a major business and disperse it to smaller independent farmers in the area in order to diffuse a monopoly.

So no, you are entirely wrong and obviously confused about your American history.

Very basic stuff? What does the conservative movement stand for? Smaller government and individual liberties, which is the opposite of slavery. Of course Lincoln had to do a lot of things in order to save the union at the time, but the core premise of conservatism is FREEDOM from a tyrannical government. and thats very basic stuff.

Every view you just stated is almost identical to the Pro-Slavery argument and talking points of the time.

Especially these:
"FREEDOM from a tyrannical government"
"Smaller government and individual liberties"

To them the government was an imposing tyrannical force imposing on their personal "liberty" to do business and keep slaves. Keep in mind, in the South's view at the time, slaves were not viewed as "people" who could have "liberties". The Republicans on the other hand sought to expand government, centralize power and regulate a massive business and trade while taking power from the states and giving it to the federal government. It isn't a huge secret that the first Republicans were progressive abolitionists up against conservatives.

Come on kid, if you're going to attempt to comment on the subject of political policy in the 1860s at least READ about it first.

 

[Publius1787]

I don't see how giving people the opportunity to own a piece of land if they settled it, worked it, and made it their own, to which the purpose was to expand the country into unsettled areas would be considered liberal. I think a more liberal view would be to have everyone as a group working the land and then distribute it equally among them no matter how much each individual person contributed to that goal.

Wow. It's obvious you're confusing the Homestead Act with what I mentioned... the "free land" legislation that the first Republicans proposed is legislation where the government could CONFISCATE farm land from a major business and disperse it to smaller independent farmers in the area in order to diffuse a monopoly.

So no, you are entirely wrong and obviously confused about your American history.

Very basic stuff? What does the conservative movement stand for? Smaller government and individual liberties, which is the opposite of slavery. Of course Lincoln had to do a lot of things in order to save the union at the time, but the core premise of conservatism is FREEDOM from a tyrannical government. and thats very basic stuff.

Every view you just stated is almost identical to the Pro-Slavery argument and talking points of the time.

Especially these:
"FREEDOM from a tyrannical government"
"Smaller government and individual liberties"

To them the government was an imposing tyrannical force imposing on their personal "liberty" to do business and keep slaves. Keep in mind, in the South's view at the time, slaves were not viewed as "people" who could have "liberties". The Republicans on the other hand sought to expand government, centralize power and regulate a massive business and trade while taking power from the states and giving it to the federal government. It isn't a huge secret that the first Republicans were progressive abolitionists up against conservatives.

Come on kid, if you're going to attempt to comment on the subject of political policy in the 1860s at least READ about it first.

I saw your name and avatar and hope you understand that Rousseau is wildy considered by socialist and communist as an inspiration for their philosophy. Karl Marx certainly thought so. So as far as the definition of modern day conservative you could say that the name and avar is a fail. Depending on who you talk to. Though the founders certainly read his work, Cicero and Locke were larger influences.

 

[Publius1787]

Back in the old days there were liberal, Conservative, and moderate wings of both parties. Racism was also a lot more powerful amongst the general public in the old days too. Finding old racist democrats is like finding boogers in your nose. However Democrats are now mostly liberal and Republicans mostly conservative. There's a reason why Democrats get the black vote

Yeah. Its called unconstitutional preferintial policys on the bacis of race in exchange for votes.

 

[Rousseau]

I don't see how giving people the opportunity to own a piece of land if they settled it, worked it, and made it their own, to which the purpose was to expand the country into unsettled areas would be considered liberal. I think a more liberal view would be to have everyone as a group working the land and then distribute it equally among them no matter how much each individual person contributed to that goal.

Wow. It's obvious you're confusing the Homestead Act with what I mentioned... the "free land" legislation that the first Republicans proposed is legislation where the government could CONFISCATE farm land from a major business and disperse it to smaller independent farmers in the area in order to diffuse a monopoly.

So no, you are entirely wrong and obviously confused about your American history.

Very basic stuff? What does the conservative movement stand for? Smaller government and individual liberties, which is the opposite of slavery. Of course Lincoln had to do a lot of things in order to save the union at the time, but the core premise of conservatism is FREEDOM from a tyrannical government. and thats very basic stuff.

Every view you just stated is almost identical to the Pro-Slavery argument and talking points of the time.

Especially these:
"FREEDOM from a tyrannical government"
"Smaller government and individual liberties"

To them the government was an imposing tyrannical force imposing on their personal "liberty" to do business and keep slaves. Keep in mind, in the South's view at the time, slaves were not viewed as "people" who could have "liberties". The Republicans on the other hand sought to expand government, centralize power and regulate a massive business and trade while taking power from the states and giving it to the federal government. It isn't a huge secret that the first Republicans were progressive abolitionists up against conservatives.

Come on kid, if you're going to attempt to comment on the subject of political policy in the 1860s at least READ about it first.

I saw your name and avatar and hope you understand that Rousseau is wildy considered by socialist and communist as an inspiration for their philosophy. Karl Marx certainly thought so. So as far as the definition of modern day conservative you could say that the name and avar is a fail. Depending on who you talk to. Though the founders certainly read his work, Cicero and Locke were larger influences.

FINALLY! You have no idea how excited I am... Sorry I can't help myself but you have no idea what you just set yourself up for...

Rousseau was also wildly considered by our founder fathers to be a huge influence for their philosophy. Social Contract anyone? But you already know this (and like you mentioned, Locke was a greater influence)... so moving on...

Okay now the good part:

Speaking of Marxism and modern Conservatism, did you know that the founders of the NEOCONSERVATIVE movement were all self-proclaimed Marxists? Irving Kristol, Norman Podhoretz and the rest of the New York Intellectuals (founders of the NeoCon movement) were self-proclaimed Marxists who differed from the rest of the left-wing socialist movement in that they were anti-Stalinist, anti-Communist and pro-war. However, they identified with the Right-wing's foreign and global economic policies at the time. Look it up.

Do you know which undercurrent political ideology took to the forefront of Right-wing politics after 9/11 and dominated Right-wing agenda and foreign relations during the Bush administration? Thats right, NEOCONSERVATISM. Which in part may explain why Bush raised Welfare spending 32% from the previous Clinton administration and overall federal spending 55%. Thats right, a Republican allocated more federal money to welfare than a Democrat, welcome to the 21st century.

[It is also worth noting that, contrary to what I've seen many confused people on this board state, Marxism is not synonymous with Communism or Socialism, it is a political ideology based on socialism, yes, but it is entirely separate from Communism, Leninism, Stalinism, Trotskyism etc. Take for example Irving Kristol and the New York Intellectuals who were self-proclaimed Marxists but anti-Stalinist and anti-Communist]

THANK YOU for setting that one up, your misconception of "modern Conservative" is a fail. My name, title and avar wins.

 

[Jroc]

Especially these:
"FREEDOM from a tyrannical government"
"Smaller government and individual liberties"

To them the government was an imposing tyrannical force imposing on their personal "liberty" to do business and keep slaves. Keep in mind, in the South's view at the time, slaves were not viewed as "people" who could have "liberties". The Republicans on the other hand sought to expand government, centralize power and regulate a massive business and trade while taking power from the states and giving it to the federal government. It isn't a huge secret that the first Republicans were progressive abolitionists up against conservatives.

Really so is the Supreme court part of the federal government? did the Fugitive slave act and the Dread Scott decision infrindge on states rights? all these are quotes from Lincoln are they liberal? Progressive? I don't think so

As I would not be a slave, so I would not be a master. This expresses my idea of democracy.

Abraham Lincoln

Don't interfere with anything in the Constitution. That must be maintained, for it is the only safeguard of our liberties.

Abraham Lincoln

Let not him who is houseless pull down the house of another, but let him work diligently and build one for himself, thus by example assuring that his own shall be safe from violence when built.

Abraham Lincoln

Our defense is in the preservation of the spirit which prizes liberty as a heritage of all men, in all lands, everywhere. Destroy this spirit and you have planted the seeds of despotism around your own doors.

Abraham Lincoln

We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution

.

Abraham Lincoln

Originally Posted by Rousseau

Speaking of Marxism and modern Conservatism, did you know that the founders of the NEOCONSERVATIVE movement were all self-proclaimed Marxists? Irving Kristol, Norman Podhoretz and the rest of the New York Intellectuals (founders of the NeoCon movement) were self-proclaimed Marxists who differed from the rest of the left-wing socialist movement in that they were anti-Stalinist, anti-Communist and pro-war. However, they identified with the Right-wing's foreign and global economic policies at the time. Look it up

Now were getting into loonyville Kristal and Podhoretz did not come up with that label "neocon" it is true they were Marxists, socialist just like the rest of the stupid 60s radicals that are in the White House today (Obama is a student of these people) but they realized socialism was the wrong way to go, in turn they were given that label by their former friends. Those are liberal talking points.. your true self has surfaced. as far as you're other bull it was the Republican congress that gave us "Welfare Reform" not Bill Clinton

 

[Rousseau]

Now were getting into loonyville Kristal and Podhoretz did not come up with that label "neocon" it is true they were Marxists, socialist just like the rest of the stupid 60s radicals that are in the White House today (Obama is a student of these people) but they realized socialism was the wrong way to go, in turn they were given that label by their former friends. Those are liberal talking points.. your true self has surfaced. as far as you're other bull it was the Republican congress that gave us "Welfare Reform" not Bill Clinton

Do you have any idea what you are talking about? DO you know anything about Neoconservatism? I suggest you read about the subject before attempting to comment.

Kristol (not Kristal) is considered the FOUNDER of Neoconservatism. While Podhoretz was the first to call himself a NeoCon, the rest of them eventually adopted the term in their writing. Either you know that you are lying or you're confused, but anyone who has read even a brief description or piece of literature on Neoconservatism knows this. Irving Kristol is the FOUNDER of Neoconservatism, it takes a 5 second wikipedia search to see that, come on.

What are the main tenets of Neoconservatism?

Aggressive foreign policy
presence of a Welfare state
Rhetorically supportive of free market but willing to interfere for social purposes
Pragmatic approach to economics with traditional approach to culture and social issues

[Side Note: Does that sound familiar? Very similar to Modern European Conservativism, they are almost identical in that they are conservative when it comes to social issues and economic and foreign policy but they believe a Welfare state is necessary.]

That's what Neoconservatism is, theres no way you're going to come in and try to change the very definition of a political ideology. These are not liberal talking points, this is what Neoconservatism is. You need to read your shit before you post.

I know it's hard to handle when I just introduced a 3rd dimension to your two-dimensional, linear view of politics (maybe too complex for you?). When I first began reading literature on Neoconservatism I was surprised at first as well, I find it to be the most peculiar political ideology of our time.

BTW I can't help but notice the Israeli flag in your signature, if you are conservative and Jewish then Neoconservatism should appeal to you. Why? Let me explain... the New York Intellectuals (the group responsible for founding the NeoCon movement including Kristol, Podhoretz etc.) were all Jewish. Some have accused the Neoconservatives of supporting an aggressive Middle Eastern foreign policy in support of an Israeli agenda. This is no secret, in Kristol's writing he always advocated that it is in U.S. interest to aggressively support Israel's middle eastern affairs. And well, obviously it is in the U.S.'s interest as well.

Now moving on to the other part of your post (I didn't want to take away from the Neocon stuff, cuz it is a subject I feel too many people know little about, obviously I feel passionately about it)

Interesting that you used quotes from Lincoln as example while I used actual political policies (which you ignored BTW). Actions speak louder than words. I think your problem here is that you're attempting to compare conservative ideology today (which is not a constant) with political ideology of the 1860s, it's apples to oranges. It's apparent you suffer from an overly simplified, 2-dimensional, linear view of politics.

 

[Jroc]

Do you have any idea what you are talking about? DO you know anything about Neoconservatism? I suggest you read about the subject before attempting to comment.

Look why don't you start a thread on neo consrevatism, it is not the subject of this thread. I'm not going to let you hijack this thread, now back to thhe subject.

Interesting that you used quotes from Lincoln as example while I used actual political policies (which you ignored BTW). Actions speak louder than words. I think your problem here is that you're attempting to compare conservative ideology today (which is not a constant) with political ideology of the 1860s, it's apples to oranges. It's apparent you suffer from an overly simplified, 2-dimensional, linear view of politics.

I'll be back to take care of this later

 

[Rousseau]

Do you have any idea what you are talking about? DO you know anything about Neoconservatism? I suggest you read about the subject before attempting to comment.

Look why don't you start a thread on neo consrevatism, it is not the subject of this thread. I'm not going to let you hijack this thread, now back to thhe subject.

Hilarious! You attempted to comment on my post (which was directed at someone else, not you) and when I reply, correcting you on Neoconservatism, you claim I'm hijacking your thread! You attempted to comment to me directly on the subject, so I replied.

Being Jewish and Conservative yourself, it's something I'd expect you to know more about... if you actually had any real interest in politics.

Interesting that you used quotes from Lincoln as example while I used actual political policies (which you ignored BTW). Actions speak louder than words. I think your problem here is that you're attempting to compare conservative ideology today (which is not a constant) with political ideology of the 1860s, it's apples to oranges. It's apparent you suffer from an overly simplified, 2-dimensional, linear view of politics.

I'll be back to take care of this later

It's okay to admit you're wrong... a wise man knows when to say "I don't know".

 

[Defiant1]

Martin Luther King was a Republican.

NBRA

 

[JBeukema]

If your party stopped targeting black voters to keep them from voting then you might have a better chance at convincing them you think they are important

If you're party stoppped pushing the killing of Black babies, We'd have plenty more African Americans to vote

Planned Parenthood is the largest abortion provider in America. 78% of their clinics are in minority communities. Blacks make up 12% of the population, but 35% of the abortions in America. Are we being targeted? Isn't that genocide? We are the only minority in America that is on the decline in population. If the current trend continues, by 2038 the black vote will be insignificant. Did you know that the founder of Planned Parenthood, Margaret Sanger, was a devout racist who created the Negro Project designed to sterilize unknowing black women and others she deemed as undesirables of society? The founder of Planned Parenthood said, "Colored people are like human weeds and are to be exterminated." Is her vision being fulfilled today?

BlackGenocide.org | Abortion and the Black Community

1) learn what genocide is

2)

 

[JBeukema]

Both parties have manipulated various demographics when politically expedient.

Anyone who claims either party is inherently better than the other is, by definition, a mentally retarded partisan hack.

 

[JBeukema]

Wait... 'retarded partisan hack' is redundant, aint it?

 

[JBeukema]

so you think only black women have abortions?

Abortion rate per live births is 4 times higher amoung blacks then Caucassions.

Huh?

What are Caucassions?

 

[rdean]

Historically Significant Black Experiences

Historical Points of Interest

1. One of the primary reasons the Republican Party came into existence was because of its opposition to the Democrat Party’s support and promoting of The Kansas-Nebraska Act of 1854. This act repealed the Anti-Slavery Missouri Compromise Law. The Missouri Compromise was an attempt to halt the spread of slavery beyond a certain point in the Louisiana Territory.

2. In 1854 at Jackson, Michigan a group of men met to form a new political party and one of the primary things that they agreed on, was their opposition to slavery and in particular the Kansas-Nebraska Act of 1854. So while the Democratic Party was feverishly fighting to preserve slavery, the Republicans were meeting in Jackson, Michigan to destroy it.

3. The first candidate the Republican selected was Col. John C. Fremont who ran against pro-slavery candidate, Democrat James Buchanan. Even though Fremont loss it is interesting to know that he was the Republicans first anti-slavery presidential candidate.

4. In 1858, Republican Abraham Lincoln faced Democrat Stephen Douglas in a race for U.S. Senate in Illinois. That campaign became famous for the Lincoln-Douglas debates, with Democrat Stephen Douglas defending slavery and Republican Abraham Lincoln opposing it.

5. Lincoln is quoted as saying in 1858 the following, “A house divided against itself cannot stand. I believe the government cannot endure permanently half slave and half free.” And it was with this attitude that Lincoln became the Republicans first elected president, in 1860.
6. Republican President Lincoln is quoted as saying the following to an Indiana Regiment: “Whenever I hear anyone arguing for slavery, I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on him personally.”

7. After experiencing repeated defeats during the Civil War, Lincoln declared, “On many a defeated field there was a voice louder than the thundering of a cannon. It was the voice God, crying, “Let My People go.” We…came to believe it as a great and solemn command.

8. In response to what Lincoln believed to be a divine mandate on January 1, 1863, he issued an edict we commonly call, The Emancipation Proclamation. And even though this act did not free all slaves or solves the slave problem, it led to change for the slave population in this country. (It is said that Lincoln before his death said, “The central act of my administration, and the greatest even of the nineteenth century was the Emancipation Proclamation…
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9. Two of the greatest fighters for the freedom of the slaves were two Republicans by the name of Charles Sumner and Thaddeus Stevens. Lerone Bennett, Jr. the historian said this regarding these two men. “Charles Sumner and Thaddeus Stevens educated Lincoln, and the country, to a policy of Black Emancipation.” To them, as much as to conservative Lincoln, black people owe their freedom.

10. Republicans Sumner and Stevens were responsible for three (3) amendments to the Constitution which freed black people from slavery, made them citizens with all the rights of all Americans and the right to vote. They did this even though the Democrats fought to prevent them from bringing these laws to pass.

11. Thaddeus Stevens also fought to give every freed slave forty acres of land and a mule, so that slaves could take care of their families

12. The dream of forty acres and a mule was destroyed when Lincoln was killed and his vice president, Andrew Johnson, a Democrat replaced Lincoln and said of Black people, “Black people were inferior to whites and unready for equal rights. So he worked to destroy much of what Republicans had worked and fought so hard for.

13. One of the greatest periods of freedom Blacks ever enjoyed in America was between 1867 and 1877. The Republican Party was responsible for this period of time, and many positive changes took place for Blacks during the time of the enforcement of a series of measures called, Reconstruction Acts. W.E. B. Dubois called this period the, “Mystic Years.”

14. Here are but a few things that happen during the Reconstruction period. A. Hiram Rhodes Revels (Republican) became the first Black in congress, holding the position of U.S. Senator B. Republican Joseph H. Rainey from South Carolina became the first member of the U.S. House of Representatives C. In 1875, Blanche Kelso Bruce of Mississippi was elected to U.S. Senate, the first black to serve a full term in the Senate. In 1871, he was appointed by Republican President James A. Garfield as Registrar of the U.S. Treasury.


15. During the Republican supported period called, Reconstruction, blacks held state offices throughout the South, they were superintendents of education. Black and White children went to school together, interracial marriages were common and we didn’t ride on the back of the bus. Black colleges like Howard, Fisk and Morehouse came into being.

16. The Democrats never accepted the Reconstruction Period, as the last word and they went about to take all these advancements back, through groups such as the Ku Klux Klan. Most klans men were Democrats. Lerone Bennett, Jr. says this about how the Democrats went about destroying the Reconstruction period. “By stealth and murder, by economic intimidation and political assassinations, by whippings and mamings, cuttings and shootings, by the knife, by the rope, by the whip. By the political use of terror, by the braining of the baby in its mothers arms, the slaying of the husband at his wife’s feet, the raping of the wife before her husbands’ eves. By fear….In every state, Democrats attempted to control the votes of their late slaves…and the Democrats succeeded in destroying the greatest time of freedom Blacks ever enjoyed in America.”


17. The great Black Republican abolitionist Frederick Douglass had this to say about the Democratic Party, “…Sir, it is evident that there is in this country a purely slavery party- a party which exists for no other earthly purpose than to promote the interests of slavery….For the present, the best representative of the slavery party in politics is the Democratic party.”

18. During the rebirth of the Civil Rights movement of the 50’s and 60’s the overwhelming number of governors who stood in their respective school doors to block blacks from attending their schools were Democrats such as, Alabama Democratic Governor George Wallace, who stood in the schoolhouse door, Georgia Democratic Governor Lester Maddox stood in his restaurant door with a pistol on his hip and men with ax handles stood behind him to block blacks from coming into his business, Mississippi Governor Ross Barnett declared he would stand against federal laws regarding integration, and then there is Arkansas Governor Orval Faubus who sent his national guard to prevent black children from entering Arkansas schools.

19. On September 25, 1957, Republican President Dwight D. Eisenhower in a record breaking time of a little over three weeks sent federal troops to Arkansas to ensure the safety of black children who were integrating Arkansas schools.

20. The passage of the Civil Rights Acts of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965 would not have been possible without the strong cohesive support of the Republican. In fact, all Southern Democrats voted against the Civil Rights Act, including Al Gore, Sr. though President Lyndon Johnson was a Democrat he couldn’t get enough votes from his own party to pass civil rights laws, he needed the help of a willing Republican majority.

21. It is reported that over 4000 Ku Klux Klan killings took place during the terrible time of their reign of terror, but a better plan has been developed which eliminates over 400,000 black people every year, this plan has been so effective until Hispanics now out number Blacks in America. This effective gift of genocide comes from the Democratic Party supported practice called, Abortion.

Black History

That's all good history .. MEANINGLESS today.

Fast forward to today and the Republican Party is a shadow of its former self. No connection whatsoever.

Your pro-BORN-life stance has no bearing on the topic.

Try this one on for size ...

Which party do you think all those black elected officials belong to?

That's the Congressional Black Caucus in 1973

Republicans will never have that many black members of Congress.

Today's Republican Party is an all-white party that has no interest in the African-American struggle.

That's not a secret.

Firstly, 'never' is a very long time. None of us know what the future holds so making such claims show only stupidity. You cannot prove it.

Secondly, it's not a secret..... because it isn't true.

Please continue to post your hysterical whining though, it's entertaining.

I do apologize that I cannot continue this discussion with you. I am not fluent in 'stupid'.

Not true????

The Republican Party is 90% white.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Tell me when you are twisting facts to fit the philosophy, and when you are making philosophy fit the facts, jroc.

The GOP did yeoman service under the direction of President Johnson and help of the GOP Senate Minority leader. The votes were based on geography: all Democrats and most GOP from the North and West voted positive, while all GOP and overwhelmingly Democrats voted against it from the South.