Republicans Are Outraged Donald Trump Isn't Above The Law

[Rambunctious]

YEa of course. All except when they violently storm the capitol.

One day a matter of 5 hours... now lets compare shall we?....

 

[Lastamender]

The lies have spread far and wide in the Republican Party; conservatives couldn’t care less about facts and the truth.

Obvious projection. The people you support are and have been lying and have been caught repeatably.

 

[Lastamender]

Because Trump's lackey William Barr ordered the investigation into his boss stonewalled.

Thanks for letting me clear that up for you.

He also stonewalled any investigations into fraud.

 

[mak2]

One day a matter of 5 hours... now lets compare shall we?....

No, we shall not compare. I am a full grown adult. If I do something stupid, it is my fault. I am sure I can find a buddy of mine that has done something stupider, but what I did was my fault. My buddies even stupider behavior does not mitigate my stupid behavior. Again, I bet you Mom explained this to you when you were about 5.

 

[Rambunctious]

No, we shall not compare. I am a full grown adult. If I do something stupid, it is my fault. I am sure I can find a buddy of mine that has done something stupider, but what I did was my fault. My buddies even stupider does not mitigate my stupid behavior. Again, I bet you Mom explained this to you when you were about 5.

Keep family out of it... not allowed....

 

[mak2]

Keep family out of it... not allowed....

Ok widdle feller, just pretend I said you kindergarten teacher.

 

[LeftofLeft]

Trump abused his power and broke several laws. He's a criminal who should be in jail.

Just admit it that you believe rich men should be above the law. At least conservative rich men.

“You are reportedly about to engage in an unprecedented abuse of prosecutorial authority: the indictment of a former President of the United States and current declared candidate for that office,” Reps. Jim Jordan (R-Ohio), James Comer (R-Ky.) and Bryan Steil (R-Wis.) said in the letter.
The three men respectively chair the House Judiciary Committee, the House Oversight Committee and the Committee on House Administration, all of which have been conducting investigations into Trump’s political enemies.

Trump is the one who is unprecedented. No one has ever abused their authority like him. And he believes he can get away with it. Because according to you, we should let him continue getting away with it.

Sorry if Obama and Hillary and Bill did it too. No one did it as well as Trump. He is not above the law. Right? Or do you believe he is?

your last paragraph…. Obama, Hillary, and Bill did it too but Trump is the one who did it well. Go back and look what you wrote. Based on your logic, you can do it “too” but if someone does it well, the people that did it “too” get a pass.

 

[Rumpole]

“I'm taken aback at the idea of indicting a former president of the United States at a—at a time when there's a crime wave in New York City,” Pence told Jonathan Karl on ABC’s This Week, “that fact that the Manhattan D.A. thinks that indicting President Trump is his top priority I think it—just tells you everything you need to know about the radical left in this country. It just feels like a politically charged prosecution here. And I—for my part, I just feel like it's just not what the American people want to see.”

Let’s take this one point at a time, because Pence is so perfectly encapsulating the Republican position on prosecuting Trump.

First: There is no crime wave in New York City. And former presidents should not be protected from prosecution just because of their elevated status.

Second: The Manhattan district attorney obviously does not think that indicting Trump is his top priority. He already set aside a plan by his predecessor to indict Trump for his financial dealings, and Bragg has now been in office for more than a year. Something one does more than a year after getting the ability to do it is, by definition, not a top priority.

Third: Alvin Bragg is in no way the “radical left,” although he is, to translate what Pence really meant, Black.

Fourth: This may feel politically charged because Republicans are politicizing it through their insistence that Trump should be immune from prosecution. But not charging Trump with crimes he committed would be a political move in itself. Power shouldn’t put people above the law.

And finally: It doesn’t—or shouldn’t—matter what the American people want to see when it comes to prosecuting crimes. As a side issue, it’s no surprise that the people Pence talks to don’t want Trump indicted, but plenty of people will be breaking out the party hats and streamers if and when it happens. But again, prosecution for crimes should not be a popularity contest and being famous and rich and powerful should not insulate you.

But that is the official Trump/Republican position: Charges against Trump can only ever be a politically motivated abuse of power, no matter how many crimes he commits. In reality, of course, while Trump’s prominence has drawn the attention of prosecutors, there’s been an obvious reluctance to charge him with anything because Trump is a political figure and he and his allies will harass the prosecutors and use the charges to whip up their base.

The talking points have spread far and wide in the Republican Party.

Republicans are outraged that Donald Trump isn't above the law

Donald Trump is facing possible criminal indictment with his usual grace and openness to facing the consequences of his actions, and it’s showing his continued hold on the Republican Party. With Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg expected to...

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He could be arrested on 5th Ave., and not lose any support.

What I really dislike about Trump, is that every time a judge rules not in his favor, he impugns the judge's integrity, as being a 'democrat' and it's 'politics' and if he is a republican, then he is a 'never Trumper' it's as if his reasoning is that the only legitimate judge is one that is a Trump sycophant, and that's not even logical .

 

[Rumpole]

Pay close attention to the "crime" for which they wish to charge him: He paid someone to keep quiet about an embarrassing episode, but failed to report that as a political campaign contribution to his own Presidential campaign.

Name one other person in history who was pursued to this extent, successfully, for such a silly offense. I'll spot you John Edwards, who was acquitted.

Donald Trump is the only person in the United States, and New York is the only jurisdiction in the world, where someone would be pursued so aggressively for such a petty crime. AT WORST, it warrants a small fine. And they empanel a grand jury to pursue it?

It confirms the extremely low opinion that people around the country have of New York.

You have a point on the hush money case, (in fact, I'm against it) but if it happens, don't forget, more are coming and they will be far more serious, at least that's what appears to be on the horizon, and when those hammers fall, this one will be pushed aside and forgotten. Think of this indictment as the fuse, we haven't heard the bang, yet.

 

[Rumpole]

Biden's and Clinton's are above the law we all know it and the dems are not fooling anyone....

Show me some hard evidence of their crimes, and I will believe you.

I just follow the evidence. I'm not going to support a Democratic politician just because they are a democrat.

 

[Rumpole]

It demonstrates that Democrats are uneasy about Trump running against Biden in 2024.

Because he could win. Now, if it were a moderate Republican, like Eisenhower, I'd have no problem, I could live with that kind of candidate becoming president. But Trump poses a serious threat to US National security, on many levels:

Why Trump is unfit for the office of the Presidency:

• Lack of knowledge in politics and government affairs
• Inability to work collaboratively with Congress and other government officials
• Unpredictable and inconsistent decision-making, often influenced by personal interest rather than the public good
• Poor judgement and impulsivity in public communication and foreign affairs
• Demonstrated pattern of dishonesty, deceit, and disregard for the law
• Failure to uphold basic moral and ethical standards expected of a leader
• Inability to handle criticism or opposition, resorting to personal attacks and retaliation.

How he poses a threat to US National Security:

• Disregard for the intelligence community and their assessments, undermining national security
• Lack of respect for international treaties and agreements, damaging relationships with allies
• Poor handling of diplomatic relations and crisis situations, increasing the risk of conflict
• Tendency to undermine democratic institutions and values, weakening national stability and security
• Vulnerability to exploitation by foreign entities due to financial and personal interests
• Propensity to prioritize personal gain over national interests and security.

Why he is dangerous:

• The combination of his unfitness and threat to national security creates a dangerous situation for the country
• His actions and rhetoric have the potential to incite violence and unrest within the country and abroad
• His disregard for democratic norms and values sets a dangerous precedent for future leaders
• His lack of accountability and willingness to act with impunity undermines the rule of law and constitutional checks and balances.

I believe Biden would have a better chance against Trump, but I'd rather see another Republican candidate.

 

[Rogue AI]

There's no crime wave in NYC? You're mentally ill.

What normal people consider a crime wave, liberals consider utopia. This is how they want our urban hellholes to be like.

 

[Rumpole]

Had you taken classified documents and had complete declassification authority, you wouldn't be in the brig. Want to try an explanation as why Trump hasn't been charged with anything after that raid about seven months ago?

There was no raid. A search warrant doesn't presume a raid at all. In fact, they treated Trump with kid gloves, and they wore casual clothes, no jackets with "FBI" plastered everywhere, none of that,

Probably because the DOJ can't prove that Trump didn't declassify the documents beyond reasonable doubt. That's why they pawned it off with the special prosecutor.

Mishandling of documents that belong to the government do not depend on any classification regime, per the Espionage Act (when it was enacted, there was no regime). Today, classification would be considered as a supplemental fact, but even if they were declassified, it would be the damage assessments by the DNI, that carried weight in any indictment. If they were declassified, and the docs earned a high score as being damaging to US National Security assessed by the DNI, that would put whoever took the documents from there secure locations in legal jeopardy.

Additionally, it is my understanding that the DOJ doesn't indict members of the executive branch merely for possessing classified or any government documents, as long as they cooperate fully and return the documents. But, they should be investigated, damage assessments shouldn't be ignored, and that is occurring under Garland. However, unfortunately for Trump, when he refused to cooperate, return documents, even go so far as to claim, in public, that the documents were his, and make absurd statements taht he could 'declassify with his mind', that will not bode well for him should he be indicted, and if he is indicted on a documents/Espionage charge, the primary charge will be Obstruction, but for that fact, there would be no Espionage mishandling of docs charge. This is why, if anyone has legal Jeopardy, it is not Pence or Biden, it is Trump.

But, let's clear up something regarding classification, even though it's not relevant in any weighty fashion, to an Espionage charge, this idea that a president can wave his hand and declassify documents, en masse, without memorializing each document, recording them down in cooperation and consultation with the issuing authority, is not correct. Note that there is nothing in the constitution about classification of documents. There are executive orders, none of which Trump repealed, that direct how documents should be declassified. Additionally, none of this applies to 'restricted data' classifications, those are nuclear secrets and only the issuing authority can change classification on those, per the Atomic Energy Act, and I believe Trump was in possession of some restricted data documents. Trump has legal exposure, much more so than Biden or Pence does, but, whether or not Garland will seek and indictment, that's another story altogether.

I will provide you with substantiation on the above, points, if you want. Let me know.

See: The Executive Order 13526, issued by President Barack Obama in 2009, which provides the framework for the classification and declassification of national security information. The order sets forth the criteria for classifying information, the standards for protecting classified information, and the procedures for reviewing and declassifying information.

 

[sealybobo]

They haven't been lying to me.
I stopped watching FUX 6 years ago.
And it's laughable for you to say we're divided.
Take a look at your own party,the best you have is a demented old fool with zero prospects for 24.

I'll be honest. We all thought Biden was a weak candidate and wouldn't beat Trump. Shows you how bad Trump was. It was like Obama. No one believed a black man could win but after 8 years of Bush and then Republicans tried to say McCain would be the best to take over the mess Bush created???? Well that was too much. Just like Trump is too much.

If you believe the election was stolen, whoever you listen to, is lying to you. PERIOD.

If you think Trump cares about you and isn't a corrupt man, whoever you are listening to, is lying to you.

They also lied to you about covid, global warming, etc. Even more so. Whoever you listen to can lie more about these things. Fox has to be careful. Your sources do not.

 

[sealybobo]

your last paragraph…. Obama, Hillary, and Bill did it too but Trump is the one who did it well. Go back and look what you wrote. Based on your logic, you can do it “too” but if someone does it well, the people that did it “too” get a pass.

Well was a funny word to use? Maybe MOST would be a more appropriate word.

The fact that every other president has bent the law in US History does not give Trump the freedom to break laws boldly, without even worrying about being caught. So obvious. And refuse to give top secret shit back. And make those shady calls to Georgia and Ukraine. Total abuse of power. Then to pay off porn stars. His corporation got caught not paying taxes. He hired illegals. His foundation was a fraud.

Remember you guys cared so much about the Clinton Foundation? But who's foundation got shut down? Trump's. Is that another witch hunt because they all do it? Well, sorry but I guess Trump did it weller than everyone else. Blatant.

Is he above the law?

 

[jotathought]

Because he could win. Now, if it were a moderate Republican, like Eisenhower, I'd have no problem, I could live with that kind of candidate becoming president. But Trump poses a serious threat to US National security, on many levels:

Why Trump is unfit for the office of the Presidency:

• Lack of knowledge in politics and government affairs
• Inability to work collaboratively with Congress and other government officials
• Unpredictable and inconsistent decision-making, often influenced by personal interest rather than the public good
• Poor judgement and impulsivity in public communication and foreign affairs
• Demonstrated pattern of dishonesty, deceit, and disregard for the law
• Failure to uphold basic moral and ethical standards expected of a leader
• Inability to handle criticism or opposition, resorting to personal attacks and retaliation.

How he poses a threat to US National Security:

• Disregard for the intelligence community and their assessments, undermining national security
• Lack of respect for international treaties and agreements, damaging relationships with allies
• Poor handling of diplomatic relations and crisis situations, increasing the risk of conflict
• Tendency to undermine democratic institutions and values, weakening national stability and security
• Vulnerability to exploitation by foreign entities due to financial and personal interests
• Propensity to prioritize personal gain over national interests and security.

Why he is dangerous:

• The combination of his unfitness and threat to national security creates a dangerous situation for the country
• His actions and rhetoric have the potential to incite violence and unrest within the country and abroad
• His disregard for democratic norms and values sets a dangerous precedent for future leaders
• His lack of accountability and willingness to act with impunity undermines the rule of law and constitutional checks and balances.

I believe Biden would have a better chance against Trump, but I'd rather see another Republican candidate.

I'm not arguing that Trump should run .. I'm arguing that the media focus on pending indictments will only build additional support for Trump. Biden beat Trump in 2020 primarily because it wasn't a traditional campaign model, and Biden will actually have to do things besides sit in his basement reading teleprompters.

I agree the Republican party needs some new blood and perspective, and looking forward to seeing the upcoming primaries.

 

[sealybobo]

Show me some hard evidence of their crimes, and I will believe you.

I just follow the evidence. I'm not going to support a Democratic politician just because they are a democrat.

Remember Trump said people who plead the 5th are guilty? Then he plead the 5th? Trump supporters are insane. They don't care. They have an agenda. Racist, anti abortion, hate gays, or they are rich liars trying to divide us.

 

[LeftofLeft]

Well was a funny word to use? Maybe MOST would be a more appropriate word.

The fact that every other president has bent the law in US History does not give Trump the freedom to break laws boldly, without even worrying about being caught. So obvious. And refuse to give top secret shit back. And make those shady calls to Georgia and Ukraine. Total abuse of power. Then to pay off porn stars. His corporation got caught not paying taxes. He hired illegals. His foundation was a fraud.

Remember you guys cared so much about the Clinton Foundation? But who's foundation got shut down? Trump's. Is that another witch hunt because they all do it? Well, sorry but I guess Trump did it weller than everyone else. Blatant.

Is he above the law?

Again, another feeble attempt in trying to distance your politicos for doing the same thing Trump did with your own play on words while lecturing me about words.

 

[DukeU]

You have a point on the hush money case, (in fact, I'm against it) but if it happens, don't forget, more are coming and they will be far more serious, at least that's what appears to be on the horizon, and when those hammers fall, this one will be pushed aside and forgotten. Think of this indictment as the fuse, we haven't heard the bang, yet.

Funny how they are framing it as "hush money" when it's usually called a nondisclosure agreement.

 

[sealybobo]

Again, another feeble attempt in trying to distance your politicos for doing the same thing Trump did with your own play on words while lecturing me about words.

Dude I didn't realize that besides the insurrection, stormy daniels, calls to georgia and ukraine, company tax fraud, foundation shut down, university a scam. And there are more that I'm forgetting. But I didn't even realize he's also involved in a rape case

Trump is no different than Harvey Weinstein. Only Trump is above the law. Both abused their power.

Donald Trump Loses Final Bid To Keep Key Evidence Out Of Rape Trial​

Trump Loses Final Bid To Keep Key Evidence Out Of Rape Trial

Key witnesses will be allowed to testify and misogynistic remarks Trump made about women in 2005 can be played for a jury, a judge ruled.

www.huffpost.com

So Trump is even on trial for Rape???