Renewable energy

[Kosh]

So?

And the far left/AGW cult proves that they do not understand anything beyond their programming..

People are never told that the most powerful greenhouse gases by orders of magnitude is water vapor and clouds. When only human emitted CO2 is considered, less than one percent of the greenhouse gas potential comes from human activity. Yet, all the global warming is supposed to be attributed to it. Water vapor plays a huge role in keeping the earth warm; 70 times more powerful than the CO2 emitted by human activity. When clouds are added, CO2 becomes even less important. However, clouds not only trap heat, low elevation clouds also reflect much of the incoming solar radiation, so the sun's heat never reaches the earth's surface which cools the earth. It is this mechanism that a growing number of scientists believe is one of the primary mechanisms warming and cooling the earth.

You lying little fuck. Every scientific paper that concerns itself with the warming potential of GHGs includes water vapor. From John Tyndall to present.

We have increased the CO2 level from 280 ppm to over 400 ppm, the CH4 level from 760 ppb to over 1850 ppb. And added industrial gases for which there is no natural analog, many of which are thousands of times as powerful of GHGs as CO2.

American Chemical Society

It’s Water Vapor, Not the CO2
ACS Climate Science Toolkit | Narratives
Remark: “The Earth has certainly been warming since we have added so much CO2 to the atmosphere from fossil fuel burning.”
Reply: “Forget the CO2. Water vapor is the most important greenhouse gas. It controls the Earth’s temperature.”

It’s true that water vapor is the largest contributor to the Earth’s greenhouse effect. On average, it probably accounts for about 60% of the warming effect. However, water vapor does not control the Earth’s temperature, but is instead controlled by the temperature. This is because the temperature of the surrounding atmosphere limits the maximum amount of water vapor the atmosphere can contain. If a volume of air contains its maximum amount of water vapor and the temperature is decreased, some of the water vapor will condense to form liquid water. This is why clouds form as warm air containing water vapor rises and cools at higher altitudes where the water condenses to the tiny droplets that make up clouds.

The greenhouse effect that has maintained the Earth’s temperature at a level warm enough for human civilization to develop over the past several millennia is controlled by non-condensable gases, mainly carbon dioxide, CO2, with smaller contributions from methane, CH4, nitrous oxide, N2O, and ozone, O3. Since the middle of the 20th century, small amounts of man-made gases, mostly chlorine- and fluorine-containing solvents and refrigerants, have been added to the mix. Because these gases are not condensable at atmospheric temperatures and pressures, the atmosphere can pack in much more of these gases . Thus, CO2 (as well as CH4, N2O, and O3) has been building up in the atmosphere since the Industrial Revolution when we began burning large amounts of fossil fuel.

If there had been no increase in the amounts of non-condensable greenhouse gases, the amount of water vapor in the atmosphere would not have changed with all other variables remaining the same. The addition of the non-condensable gases causes the temperature to increase and this leads to an increase in water vapor that further increases the temperature. This is an example of a positive feedback effect. The warming due to increasing non-condensable gases causes more water vapor to enter the atmosphere, which adds to the effect of the non-condensables.

Look how much you had to say to explain why he's wrong and I bet you'll catch him making the same bad argument in a couple days. Eventually you get tired of explaining over and over

Wrong! CO2 does not control climate.. Never has, that is why AGW is bunk..

96% of CO2 emissions are from natural sources, only 4% is man-made

There's a difference too. Look into it. I'm done explaining to u

Yet still no link to that proves the AGW religion to those datasets with source code that proves CO2 drives climate.

As it has been shown time and time again on this board CO2 has never driven climate. Let alone the 4% of the man made CO2..

 

[bripat9643]

Oh gee, how unsurprising...yet more appeals to authority from people who's professional reputations and financial future, DEPEND on maintaining the fraud. Why you find this compelling is beyond me.

The appeal to authority is Old Fraud's favorite logical fallacy.

 

[bripat9643]

Gawd! Old Fraud is still posting James Hansen as if he was credible in any form or fashion... Then he goes on to repost works, which have been shown lacking, as fact... The Stupid, It burns...

He's posted the Hockey stick fraud at least a dozen times. You see, with a liberal, discredited evidence are perfectly serviceable if someone hasn't heard them rebutted. They just don't care if they're spewing fraudulent information.

 

[Old Rocks]

Hey dumb fuck Pattycake, there have been at least a dozen differant studies, by differant scientists, using differant methods, in differant nations, all have verified the basics of the hockey stick graph.

 

[westwall]

Hey dumb fuck Pattycake, there have been at least a dozen differant studies, by differant scientists, using differant methods, in differant nations, all have verified the basics of the hockey stick graph.

Ummmm. No. They used the same corrupted data sets. Those that used different data sets, came up with a graph that had no hockey stick.

 

[Roadrunner]

Small wonder the OP provided no links. Wind provided a small fraction of renewable energy for the city. They also depend on hydroelectric, nuclear, methane capture, wood burning, and other methods that produce carbon particulates and other noxious greenhouse pollutants into the atmosphere.

Go 100 Renewable Energy Burlington VT - 100 Renewable Public Power

Funny country.

We make ethanol from food, starving the Third World, in order to save the air, and then, burn forest litter by the millions of acres rather that use it for wood alcohol.

All the while, we pay people that could be employed to sit around and collect a check for doing nothing.

 

[jc456]

Solar hydro wind and they had this smokestack with water vapor coming out.

Water Vapor is a GHG or did you not know that?

So?

And the far left/AGW cult proves that they do not understand anything beyond their programming..

People are never told that the most powerful greenhouse gases by orders of magnitude is water vapor and clouds. When only human emitted CO2 is considered, less than one percent of the greenhouse gas potential comes from human activity. Yet, all the global warming is supposed to be attributed to it. Water vapor plays a huge role in keeping the earth warm; 70 times more powerful than the CO2 emitted by human activity. When clouds are added, CO2 becomes even less important. However, clouds not only trap heat, low elevation clouds also reflect much of the incoming solar radiation, so the sun's heat never reaches the earth's surface which cools the earth. It is this mechanism that a growing number of scientists believe is one of the primary mechanisms warming and cooling the earth.

You lying little fuck. Every scientific paper that concerns itself with the warming potential of GHGs includes water vapor. From John Tyndall to present.

We have increased the CO2 level from 280 ppm to over 400 ppm, the CH4 level from 760 ppb to over 1850 ppb. And added industrial gases for which there is no natural analog, many of which are thousands of times as powerful of GHGs as CO2.

American Chemical Society

It’s Water Vapor, Not the CO2
ACS Climate Science Toolkit | Narratives
Remark: “The Earth has certainly been warming since we have added so much CO2 to the atmosphere from fossil fuel burning.”
Reply: “Forget the CO2. Water vapor is the most important greenhouse gas. It controls the Earth’s temperature.”

It’s true that water vapor is the largest contributor to the Earth’s greenhouse effect. On average, it probably accounts for about 60% of the warming effect. However, water vapor does not control the Earth’s temperature, but is instead controlled by the temperature. This is because the temperature of the surrounding atmosphere limits the maximum amount of water vapor the atmosphere can contain. If a volume of air contains its maximum amount of water vapor and the temperature is decreased, some of the water vapor will condense to form liquid water. This is why clouds form as warm air containing water vapor rises and cools at higher altitudes where the water condenses to the tiny droplets that make up clouds.

The greenhouse effect that has maintained the Earth’s temperature at a level warm enough for human civilization to develop over the past several millennia is controlled by non-condensable gases, mainly carbon dioxide, CO2, with smaller contributions from methane, CH4, nitrous oxide, N2O, and ozone, O3. Since the middle of the 20th century, small amounts of man-made gases, mostly chlorine- and fluorine-containing solvents and refrigerants, have been added to the mix. Because these gases are not condensable at atmospheric temperatures and pressures, the atmosphere can pack in much more of these gases . Thus, CO2 (as well as CH4, N2O, and O3) has been building up in the atmosphere since the Industrial Revolution when we began burning large amounts of fossil fuel.

If there had been no increase in the amounts of non-condensable greenhouse gases, the amount of water vapor in the atmosphere would not have changed with all other variables remaining the same. The addition of the non-condensable gases causes the temperature to increase and this leads to an increase in water vapor that further increases the temperature. This is an example of a positive feedback effect. The warming due to increasing non-condensable gases causes more water vapor to enter the atmosphere, which adds to the effect of the non-condensables.

and yet you have no evidence that the 120 PPM of CO2 does anything to the atmospheric temperatures or surface temperatures. How mnay times have you been told you have no evidence that the 120 PPM is significant to anything accept a ratured speech on message boards. so please feel free to include the lab work of the experiment and let's discuss.

 

[jc456]

The corporations pay the GOP a lot to stay ignorant. Reminds me of when they said led was natural and OK for us. Liar or stupid. Which are you? Do you really believe or are you being paid to lie?

The problem is there is not a shred of empirical evidence to support AGW theory. Nada, zilch, zero, null. That IS the reality. And the government handouts to the various NGO's and other advocacy groups is orders of magnitude more than what the corporations have doled out.

Once again, Walleyes, you are a liar. Every single Scientific Society states you are a liar. Most importantly, the American Institute of Physics has a site that shows in what ways you are lying.

The Carbon Dioxide Greenhouse Effect

how many times, must you post this stupid link? Again, Herr Koch proved you lie, back in 1901. It's in your link bubba!!! Now, just show the experiment that proves Herr wrong. I've been waiting a year.

 

[jc456]

The corporations pay the GOP a lot to stay ignorant. Reminds me of when they said led was natural and OK for us. Liar or stupid. Which are you? Do you really believe or are you being paid to lie?

Just ask James Hansen who lives in his mansion and drives a Bentley, ask AL Gore who bought 7 of his 9 mansions preaching the AGW scriptures..

You tell me..

The al gore has a mansion argument is so dumb. This isn't something one person can fix. This has to be mandated by our society so we all stop burning so much electricity.

I heard we burn more electricity collectively with our DVDs plugged in but not running than we do watching DVDs.

I see so you get the voice over society eh?

 

[jc456]

Solar hydro wind and they had this smokestack with water vapor coming out.

Water Vapor is a GHG or did you not know that?

So?

And the far left/AGW cult proves that they do not understand anything beyond their programming..

People are never told that the most powerful greenhouse gases by orders of magnitude is water vapor and clouds. When only human emitted CO2 is considered, less than one percent of the greenhouse gas potential comes from human activity. Yet, all the global warming is supposed to be attributed to it. Water vapor plays a huge role in keeping the earth warm; 70 times more powerful than the CO2 emitted by human activity. When clouds are added, CO2 becomes even less important. However, clouds not only trap heat, low elevation clouds also reflect much of the incoming solar radiation, so the sun's heat never reaches the earth's surface which cools the earth. It is this mechanism that a growing number of scientists believe is one of the primary mechanisms warming and cooling the earth.

You lying little fuck. Every scientific paper that concerns itself with the warming potential of GHGs includes water vapor. From John Tyndall to present.

We have increased the CO2 level from 280 ppm to over 400 ppm, the CH4 level from 760 ppb to over 1850 ppb. And added industrial gases for which there is no natural analog, many of which are thousands of times as powerful of GHGs as CO2.

American Chemical Society

It’s Water Vapor, Not the CO2
ACS Climate Science Toolkit | Narratives
Remark: “The Earth has certainly been warming since we have added so much CO2 to the atmosphere from fossil fuel burning.”
Reply: “Forget the CO2. Water vapor is the most important greenhouse gas. It controls the Earth’s temperature.”

It’s true that water vapor is the largest contributor to the Earth’s greenhouse effect. On average, it probably accounts for about 60% of the warming effect. However, water vapor does not control the Earth’s temperature, but is instead controlled by the temperature. This is because the temperature of the surrounding atmosphere limits the maximum amount of water vapor the atmosphere can contain. If a volume of air contains its maximum amount of water vapor and the temperature is decreased, some of the water vapor will condense to form liquid water. This is why clouds form as warm air containing water vapor rises and cools at higher altitudes where the water condenses to the tiny droplets that make up clouds.

The greenhouse effect that has maintained the Earth’s temperature at a level warm enough for human civilization to develop over the past several millennia is controlled by non-condensable gases, mainly carbon dioxide, CO2, with smaller contributions from methane, CH4, nitrous oxide, N2O, and ozone, O3. Since the middle of the 20th century, small amounts of man-made gases, mostly chlorine- and fluorine-containing solvents and refrigerants, have been added to the mix. Because these gases are not condensable at atmospheric temperatures and pressures, the atmosphere can pack in much more of these gases . Thus, CO2 (as well as CH4, N2O, and O3) has been building up in the atmosphere since the Industrial Revolution when we began burning large amounts of fossil fuel.

If there had been no increase in the amounts of non-condensable greenhouse gases, the amount of water vapor in the atmosphere would not have changed with all other variables remaining the same. The addition of the non-condensable gases causes the temperature to increase and this leads to an increase in water vapor that further increases the temperature. This is an example of a positive feedback effect. The warming due to increasing non-condensable gases causes more water vapor to enter the atmosphere, which adds to the effect of the non-condensables.

Look how much you had to say to explain why he's wrong and I bet you'll catch him making the same bad argument in a couple days. Eventually you get tired of explaining over and over

no, the fact is it is useless drivel. The link contians the only posted experiment on how CO2 volume affects IR Wavelengths and that one experiment disproves your entire argument mate!!!! Now, unless you have an experiment that proves differently, we're all waiting for it.

 

[jc456]

Water Vapor is a GHG or did you not know that?

So?

And the far left/AGW cult proves that they do not understand anything beyond their programming..

People are never told that the most powerful greenhouse gases by orders of magnitude is water vapor and clouds. When only human emitted CO2 is considered, less than one percent of the greenhouse gas potential comes from human activity. Yet, all the global warming is supposed to be attributed to it. Water vapor plays a huge role in keeping the earth warm; 70 times more powerful than the CO2 emitted by human activity. When clouds are added, CO2 becomes even less important. However, clouds not only trap heat, low elevation clouds also reflect much of the incoming solar radiation, so the sun's heat never reaches the earth's surface which cools the earth. It is this mechanism that a growing number of scientists believe is one of the primary mechanisms warming and cooling the earth.

You lying little fuck. Every scientific paper that concerns itself with the warming potential of GHGs includes water vapor. From John Tyndall to present.

We have increased the CO2 level from 280 ppm to over 400 ppm, the CH4 level from 760 ppb to over 1850 ppb. And added industrial gases for which there is no natural analog, many of which are thousands of times as powerful of GHGs as CO2.

American Chemical Society

It’s Water Vapor, Not the CO2
ACS Climate Science Toolkit | Narratives
Remark: “The Earth has certainly been warming since we have added so much CO2 to the atmosphere from fossil fuel burning.”
Reply: “Forget the CO2. Water vapor is the most important greenhouse gas. It controls the Earth’s temperature.”

It’s true that water vapor is the largest contributor to the Earth’s greenhouse effect. On average, it probably accounts for about 60% of the warming effect. However, water vapor does not control the Earth’s temperature, but is instead controlled by the temperature. This is because the temperature of the surrounding atmosphere limits the maximum amount of water vapor the atmosphere can contain. If a volume of air contains its maximum amount of water vapor and the temperature is decreased, some of the water vapor will condense to form liquid water. This is why clouds form as warm air containing water vapor rises and cools at higher altitudes where the water condenses to the tiny droplets that make up clouds.

The greenhouse effect that has maintained the Earth’s temperature at a level warm enough for human civilization to develop over the past several millennia is controlled by non-condensable gases, mainly carbon dioxide, CO2, with smaller contributions from methane, CH4, nitrous oxide, N2O, and ozone, O3. Since the middle of the 20th century, small amounts of man-made gases, mostly chlorine- and fluorine-containing solvents and refrigerants, have been added to the mix. Because these gases are not condensable at atmospheric temperatures and pressures, the atmosphere can pack in much more of these gases . Thus, CO2 (as well as CH4, N2O, and O3) has been building up in the atmosphere since the Industrial Revolution when we began burning large amounts of fossil fuel.

If there had been no increase in the amounts of non-condensable greenhouse gases, the amount of water vapor in the atmosphere would not have changed with all other variables remaining the same. The addition of the non-condensable gases causes the temperature to increase and this leads to an increase in water vapor that further increases the temperature. This is an example of a positive feedback effect. The warming due to increasing non-condensable gases causes more water vapor to enter the atmosphere, which adds to the effect of the non-condensables.

See ho w the AGW cult posts things they do not understand yet goes against the AGW dogma and shows that CO2 does NOT control climate..

See old rocks? What I tell you! Don't bother explaining to fools.

haahhahhahahaha, the only fool is one who believes a global conspiracy without any experimental evidence. Sir, sinc you have none, proves you the fool!!! Now if you wish to post more stupid on here, please remember that myself and my peers will expect the experimental evidence and the raw data from the NASA data sets.

 

[jc456]

The corporations pay the GOP a lot to stay ignorant. Reminds me of when they said led was natural and OK for us. Liar or stupid. Which are you? Do you really believe or are you being paid to lie?

Just ask James Hansen who lives in his mansion and drives a Bentley, ask AL Gore who bought 7 of his 9 mansions preaching the AGW scriptures..

You tell me..

The al gore has a mansion argument is so dumb. This isn't something one person can fix. This has to be mandated by our society so we all stop burning so much electricity.

I heard we burn more electricity collectively with our DVDs plugged in but not running than we do watching DVDs.

Pollution does not equal AGW.

AGW is a religious cult not based on any real science.

I won't even read your posts anymore. Too dumb and infuriating

as opposed to the more stupid you've been posting? LOL tell me another.

 

[jc456]

By the way, do you also have a Phd in Atmospheric Physics? A goodly number of people that do will tell you that you are dead wrong.

nope, but I am intelligent enough to ask for proof, to which mate you can't provide or any of those PH'd Physicists. hmmmmmm

 

[jc456]

By the way, do you also have a Phd in Atmospheric Physics? A goodly number of people that do will tell you that you are dead wrong.

bring them in here and let's have a discussion. My first question will be, do you mr. phd have an experiment that proves CO2 of 120 PPM does anything to temperatures. See I have physics on my side with the logarithmic nature of the gas.

 

[jc456]

Rabett Run Revised AGU Statement on Climate Change

Human induced climate change requires urgent action.

Humanity is the major influence on the global climate change observed over the past 50 years.
Rapid societal responses can significantly lessen negative outcomes.


Human activities are changing Earth’s climate. At the global level, atmospheric concentrations of carbon dioxide and other heat trapping greenhouse gases have increased sharply since the Industrial Revolution. Fossil fuel burning dominates this increase. Human caused increases in greenhouse gases are responsible for most of the observed global average surface warming of roughly 0.8°C (1.5°F) over the past 140 years. Because natural processes cannot quickly remove some of these gases (notably carbon dioxide) from the atmosphere, our past, present, and future emissions will influence the climate
system for millennia.

Extensive, independent observations confirm the reality of global warming. These observations show large scale increases in air and sea temperatures, sea level, and atmospheric water vapor; they document decreases in the extent of mountain glaciers, snow cover, permafrost, and Arctic sea ice. These changes are broadly consistent with long understood physics and predictions of how the climate system is expected to respond to human caused increases in greenhouse gases. The changes are inconsistent with explanations of climate change that rely on known natural influences.

Climate models predict that global temperatures will continue to rise, with the amount of warming primarily determined by the level of emissions. Higher emissions of greenhouse gases will lead to larger warming, and greater risks to society and ecosystems. Some additional warming is unavoidable due to past emissions.

I realize that you cannot understand scientific honesty, Pattycake, just as you cannot understand honesty on any level. But the oil companies need geologists, and the geologists need jobs.

BTW, Chicagoland had it's normal winter experience with snowfall. The stom actually provided the necessary snowfall to reach normal snowfall numbers. hmmmmmm normal climate here. I'm still waiting for the climate that has changed. But you sir can't provide that information.

 

[jc456]

Small wonder the OP provided no links. Wind provided a small fraction of renewable energy for the city. They also depend on hydroelectric, nuclear, methane capture, wood burning, and other methods that produce carbon particulates and other noxious greenhouse pollutants into the atmosphere.

Go 100 Renewable Energy Burlington VT - 100 Renewable Public Power

Funny country.

We make ethanol from food, starving the Third World, in order to save the air, and then, burn forest litter by the millions of acres rather that use it for wood alcohol.

All the while, we pay people that could be employed to sit around and collect a check for doing nothing.

I agree, get all of the freeloaders working. Please work on that one.

 

[bripat9643]

The corporations pay the GOP a lot to stay ignorant. Reminds me of when they said led was natural and OK for us. Liar or stupid. Which are you? Do you really believe or are you being paid to lie?

Just ask James Hansen who lives in his mansion and drives a Bentley, ask AL Gore who bought 7 of his 9 mansions preaching the AGW scriptures..

You tell me..

The al gore has a mansion argument is so dumb. This isn't something one person can fix. This has to be mandated by our society so we all stop burning so much electricity.

You're dead wrong about that. One person can fix it: Algore. The fact that he lives in such a residence is proof that he's a colossal hypocrite and that he doesn't really believe what he's preaching.

I heard we burn more electricity collectively with our DVDs plugged in but not running than we do watching DVDs.

I never play DVDs. I get movies from Netflix or VUDU.

 

[sealybobo]

The corporations pay the GOP a lot to stay ignorant. Reminds me of when they said led was natural and OK for us. Liar or stupid. Which are you? Do you really believe or are you being paid to lie?

Just ask James Hansen who lives in his mansion and drives a Bentley, ask AL Gore who bought 7 of his 9 mansions preaching the AGW scriptures..

You tell me..

The al gore has a mansion argument is so dumb. This isn't something one person can fix. This has to be mandated by our society so we all stop burning so much electricity.

I heard we burn more electricity collectively with our DVDs plugged in but not running than we do watching DVDs.

I see so you get the voice over society eh?

I just can't debate anymore that the world is round with you flat earth people. Not wasting my time. Everyone knows you're wrong but the GOP will continue to deny as long as they can. Even still we know its happening and were slowly going green. Just wish it would happen faster but we got to drag our heals because corporations don't want this to cost them too much.

 

[jc456]

The corporations pay the GOP a lot to stay ignorant. Reminds me of when they said led was natural and OK for us. Liar or stupid. Which are you? Do you really believe or are you being paid to lie?

Just ask James Hansen who lives in his mansion and drives a Bentley, ask AL Gore who bought 7 of his 9 mansions preaching the AGW scriptures..

You tell me..

The al gore has a mansion argument is so dumb. This isn't something one person can fix. This has to be mandated by our society so we all stop burning so much electricity.

I heard we burn more electricity collectively with our DVDs plugged in but not running than we do watching DVDs.

I see so you get the voice over society eh?

I just can't debate anymore that the world is round with you flat earth people. Not wasting my time. Everyone knows you're wrong but the GOP will continue to deny as long as they can. Even still we know its happening and were slowly going green. Just wish it would happen faster but we got to drag our heals because corporations don't want this to cost them too much.

Nope you can't. You fail to recognize you are the deniers. You deny th emphirical data from the round earth. It is you, and the more stupid you post doesn't change any of that. You simply fail, you want us all to convert to your way of thought, yet you can't provide the necessary evidence to succeed. And that is because it doesn't exist. Not sure your take on any of this, but hey, a lie is alie is a lie. Right? you keep up the lie, we'll continue to point it out to you daily if it is necessary. BTW, a lie is a lie is a lie.

 

[Kosh]

The corporations pay the GOP a lot to stay ignorant. Reminds me of when they said led was natural and OK for us. Liar or stupid. Which are you? Do you really believe or are you being paid to lie?

Just ask James Hansen who lives in his mansion and drives a Bentley, ask AL Gore who bought 7 of his 9 mansions preaching the AGW scriptures..

You tell me..

The al gore has a mansion argument is so dumb. This isn't something one person can fix. This has to be mandated by our society so we all stop burning so much electricity.

I heard we burn more electricity collectively with our DVDs plugged in but not running than we do watching DVDs.

I see so you get the voice over society eh?

I just can't debate anymore that the world is round with you flat earth people. Not wasting my time. Everyone knows you're wrong but the GOP will continue to deny as long as they can. Even still we know its happening and were slowly going green. Just wish it would happen faster but we got to drag our heals because corporations don't want this to cost them too much.

You just used more energy to post your far left/AGW religious propaganda than what it takes to run a DVD player..