Renewable energy

[westwall]

So you are giving up on renewable in favor of the cheaper yet environmentally damaging coal fired option. What's the use of technology if current renewable energy generation systems are not developed? Using fossil fuels is one evidence that we as a civilization has really a long way to go in efficient utilization of our planet's real and true energy potential.

It takes millions of years to form the fossil fuels we are using nowadays, yet only a short time to combust it and generate that much needed energy for our daily needs.

First and foremost the batteries needed to make these systems reliable create more damage to the environment than 60 years of coal fired plant output. there is far less damage from coal fired generation using our current cleaning of outputs than renewables will ever reduce too using our current technologies. We already make EPA cleanup sites of every home with CFL's now we want to add damage to ground water due to batteries and their leakage and waste disposals.

We will figure it out. Teslas car was $100k now its only $70k.

30 thousand dollars taken from others to give to you.... redistribution is wrong on any level...

So long as they take it from people willing to pay more. Let them. It's a great experiment being conducted, and truly, the more towns and cities that can get off the grid IS a good thing.

 

[Kosh]

Solar hydro wind and they had this smokestack with water vapor coming out.

Water Vapor is a GHG or did you not know that?

So?

And the far left/AGW cult proves that they do not understand anything beyond their programming..

People are never told that the most powerful greenhouse gases by orders of magnitude is water vapor and clouds. When only human emitted CO2 is considered, less than one percent of the greenhouse gas potential comes from human activity. Yet, all the global warming is supposed to be attributed to it. Water vapor plays a huge role in keeping the earth warm; 70 times more powerful than the CO2 emitted by human activity. When clouds are added, CO2 becomes even less important. However, clouds not only trap heat, low elevation clouds also reflect much of the incoming solar radiation, so the sun's heat never reaches the earth's surface which cools the earth. It is this mechanism that a growing number of scientists believe is one of the primary mechanisms warming and cooling the earth.

 

[sealybobo]

Solar hydro wind and they had this smokestack with water vapor coming out.

Water Vapor is a GHG or did you not know that?

So?

And the far left/AGW cult proves that they do not understand anything beyond their programming..

People are never told that the most powerful greenhouse gases by orders of magnitude is water vapor and clouds. When only human emitted CO2 is considered, less than one percent of the greenhouse gas potential comes from human activity. Yet, all the global warming is supposed to be attributed to it. Water vapor plays a huge role in keeping the earth warm; 70 times more powerful than the CO2 emitted by human activity. When clouds are added, CO2 becomes even less important. However, clouds not only trap heat, low elevation clouds also reflect much of the incoming solar radiation, so the sun's heat never reaches the earth's surface which cools the earth. It is this mechanism that a growing number of scientists believe is one of the primary mechanisms warming and cooling the earth.

The scientific community says you are wrong. If you think its them lying and not the coal burning corporations then it is you who is the conspiracy theorist

 

[Kosh]

Solar hydro wind and they had this smokestack with water vapor coming out.

Water Vapor is a GHG or did you not know that?

So?

And the far left/AGW cult proves that they do not understand anything beyond their programming..

People are never told that the most powerful greenhouse gases by orders of magnitude is water vapor and clouds. When only human emitted CO2 is considered, less than one percent of the greenhouse gas potential comes from human activity. Yet, all the global warming is supposed to be attributed to it. Water vapor plays a huge role in keeping the earth warm; 70 times more powerful than the CO2 emitted by human activity. When clouds are added, CO2 becomes even less important. However, clouds not only trap heat, low elevation clouds also reflect much of the incoming solar radiation, so the sun's heat never reaches the earth's surface which cools the earth. It is this mechanism that a growing number of scientists believe is one of the primary mechanisms warming and cooling the earth.

The scientific community says you are wrong. If you think its them lying and not the coal burning corporations then it is you who is the conspiracy theorist

Proof the AGW cult does not believe in real science, just AGW religious dogma..

 

[sealybobo]

Solar hydro wind and they had this smokestack with water vapor coming out.

Water Vapor is a GHG or did you not know that?

So?

And the far left/AGW cult proves that they do not understand anything beyond their programming..

People are never told that the most powerful greenhouse gases by orders of magnitude is water vapor and clouds. When only human emitted CO2 is considered, less than one percent of the greenhouse gas potential comes from human activity. Yet, all the global warming is supposed to be attributed to it. Water vapor plays a huge role in keeping the earth warm; 70 times more powerful than the CO2 emitted by human activity. When clouds are added, CO2 becomes even less important. However, clouds not only trap heat, low elevation clouds also reflect much of the incoming solar radiation, so the sun's heat never reaches the earth's surface which cools the earth. It is this mechanism that a growing number of scientists believe is one of the primary mechanisms warming and cooling the earth.

The scientific community says you are wrong. If you think its them lying and not the coal burning corporations then it is you who is the conspiracy theorist

Proof the AGW cult does not believe in real science, just AGW religious dogma..

You believe the scientists on Shell's payroll I'll believe NASA

 

[sealybobo]

The corporations pay the GOP a lot to stay ignorant. Reminds me of when they said led was natural and OK for us. Liar or stupid. Which are you? Do you really believe or are you being paid to lie?

 

[westwall]

The corporations pay the GOP a lot to stay ignorant. Reminds me of when they said led was natural and OK for us. Liar or stupid. Which are you? Do you really believe or are you being paid to lie?

The problem is there is not a shred of empirical evidence to support AGW theory. Nada, zilch, zero, null. That IS the reality. And the government handouts to the various NGO's and other advocacy groups is orders of magnitude more than what the corporations have doled out.

 

[Shrimpbox]

So if they purchased a dam then they took that renewable energy away from someone else. They wouldn't be cooking the books would they?

 

[Kosh]

Water Vapor is a GHG or did you not know that?

So?

And the far left/AGW cult proves that they do not understand anything beyond their programming..

People are never told that the most powerful greenhouse gases by orders of magnitude is water vapor and clouds. When only human emitted CO2 is considered, less than one percent of the greenhouse gas potential comes from human activity. Yet, all the global warming is supposed to be attributed to it. Water vapor plays a huge role in keeping the earth warm; 70 times more powerful than the CO2 emitted by human activity. When clouds are added, CO2 becomes even less important. However, clouds not only trap heat, low elevation clouds also reflect much of the incoming solar radiation, so the sun's heat never reaches the earth's surface which cools the earth. It is this mechanism that a growing number of scientists believe is one of the primary mechanisms warming and cooling the earth.

The scientific community says you are wrong. If you think its them lying and not the coal burning corporations then it is you who is the conspiracy theorist

Proof the AGW cult does not believe in real science, just AGW religious dogma..

You believe the scientists on Shell's payroll I'll believe NASA

The AGW cult has infiltrated many branches of science to uphold the AGW dogma.

 

[Kosh]

The corporations pay the GOP a lot to stay ignorant. Reminds me of when they said led was natural and OK for us. Liar or stupid. Which are you? Do you really believe or are you being paid to lie?

Just ask James Hansen who lives in his mansion and drives a Bentley, ask AL Gore who bought 7 of his 9 mansions preaching the AGW scriptures..

You tell me..

 

[westwall]

So if they purchased a dam then they took that renewable energy away from someone else. They wouldn't be cooking the books would they?

Yes, they are cooking the books a tad. When the renewables aren't working, then they buy energy from a fossil fuel powered plant. They do indeed power the city 100% with renewables.....sometimes. Just not all the time.

 

[bripat9643]

The corporations pay the GOP a lot to stay ignorant. Reminds me of when they said led was natural and OK for us. Liar or stupid. Which are you? Do you really believe or are you being paid to lie?

No, I don't remember that. Can you post a link?

 

[Old Rocks]

Solar hydro wind and they had this smokestack with water vapor coming out.

Water Vapor is a GHG or did you not know that?

So?

And the far left/AGW cult proves that they do not understand anything beyond their programming..

People are never told that the most powerful greenhouse gases by orders of magnitude is water vapor and clouds. When only human emitted CO2 is considered, less than one percent of the greenhouse gas potential comes from human activity. Yet, all the global warming is supposed to be attributed to it. Water vapor plays a huge role in keeping the earth warm; 70 times more powerful than the CO2 emitted by human activity. When clouds are added, CO2 becomes even less important. However, clouds not only trap heat, low elevation clouds also reflect much of the incoming solar radiation, so the sun's heat never reaches the earth's surface which cools the earth. It is this mechanism that a growing number of scientists believe is one of the primary mechanisms warming and cooling the earth.

You lying little fuck. Every scientific paper that concerns itself with the warming potential of GHGs includes water vapor. From John Tyndall to present.

We have increased the CO2 level from 280 ppm to over 400 ppm, the CH4 level from 760 ppb to over 1850 ppb. And added industrial gases for which there is no natural analog, many of which are thousands of times as powerful of GHGs as CO2.

American Chemical Society

It’s Water Vapor, Not the CO2
ACS Climate Science Toolkit | Narratives
Remark: “The Earth has certainly been warming since we have added so much CO2 to the atmosphere from fossil fuel burning.”
Reply: “Forget the CO2. Water vapor is the most important greenhouse gas. It controls the Earth’s temperature.”

It’s true that water vapor is the largest contributor to the Earth’s greenhouse effect. On average, it probably accounts for about 60% of the warming effect. However, water vapor does not control the Earth’s temperature, but is instead controlled by the temperature. This is because the temperature of the surrounding atmosphere limits the maximum amount of water vapor the atmosphere can contain. If a volume of air contains its maximum amount of water vapor and the temperature is decreased, some of the water vapor will condense to form liquid water. This is why clouds form as warm air containing water vapor rises and cools at higher altitudes where the water condenses to the tiny droplets that make up clouds.

The greenhouse effect that has maintained the Earth’s temperature at a level warm enough for human civilization to develop over the past several millennia is controlled by non-condensable gases, mainly carbon dioxide, CO2, with smaller contributions from methane, CH4, nitrous oxide, N2O, and ozone, O3. Since the middle of the 20th century, small amounts of man-made gases, mostly chlorine- and fluorine-containing solvents and refrigerants, have been added to the mix. Because these gases are not condensable at atmospheric temperatures and pressures, the atmosphere can pack in much more of these gases . Thus, CO2 (as well as CH4, N2O, and O3) has been building up in the atmosphere since the Industrial Revolution when we began burning large amounts of fossil fuel.

If there had been no increase in the amounts of non-condensable greenhouse gases, the amount of water vapor in the atmosphere would not have changed with all other variables remaining the same. The addition of the non-condensable gases causes the temperature to increase and this leads to an increase in water vapor that further increases the temperature. This is an example of a positive feedback effect. The warming due to increasing non-condensable gases causes more water vapor to enter the atmosphere, which adds to the effect of the non-condensables.

 

[Old Rocks]

The corporations pay the GOP a lot to stay ignorant. Reminds me of when they said led was natural and OK for us. Liar or stupid. Which are you? Do you really believe or are you being paid to lie?

The problem is there is not a shred of empirical evidence to support AGW theory. Nada, zilch, zero, null. That IS the reality. And the government handouts to the various NGO's and other advocacy groups is orders of magnitude more than what the corporations have doled out.

Once again, Walleyes, you are a liar. Every single Scientific Society states you are a liar. Most importantly, the American Institute of Physics has a site that shows in what ways you are lying.

The Carbon Dioxide Greenhouse Effect

 

[sealybobo]

The corporations pay the GOP a lot to stay ignorant. Reminds me of when they said led was natural and OK for us. Liar or stupid. Which are you? Do you really believe or are you being paid to lie?

Just ask James Hansen who lives in his mansion and drives a Bentley, ask AL Gore who bought 7 of his 9 mansions preaching the AGW scriptures..

You tell me..

The al gore has a mansion argument is so dumb. This isn't something one person can fix. This has to be mandated by our society so we all stop burning so much electricity.

I heard we burn more electricity collectively with our DVDs plugged in but not running than we do watching DVDs.

 

[Kosh]

Solar hydro wind and they had this smokestack with water vapor coming out.

Water Vapor is a GHG or did you not know that?

So?

And the far left/AGW cult proves that they do not understand anything beyond their programming..

People are never told that the most powerful greenhouse gases by orders of magnitude is water vapor and clouds. When only human emitted CO2 is considered, less than one percent of the greenhouse gas potential comes from human activity. Yet, all the global warming is supposed to be attributed to it. Water vapor plays a huge role in keeping the earth warm; 70 times more powerful than the CO2 emitted by human activity. When clouds are added, CO2 becomes even less important. However, clouds not only trap heat, low elevation clouds also reflect much of the incoming solar radiation, so the sun's heat never reaches the earth's surface which cools the earth. It is this mechanism that a growing number of scientists believe is one of the primary mechanisms warming and cooling the earth.

You lying little fuck. Every scientific paper that concerns itself with the warming potential of GHGs includes water vapor. From John Tyndall to present.

We have increased the CO2 level from 280 ppm to over 400 ppm, the CH4 level from 760 ppb to over 1850 ppb. And added industrial gases for which there is no natural analog, many of which are thousands of times as powerful of GHGs as CO2.

American Chemical Society

It’s Water Vapor, Not the CO2
ACS Climate Science Toolkit | Narratives
Remark: “The Earth has certainly been warming since we have added so much CO2 to the atmosphere from fossil fuel burning.”
Reply: “Forget the CO2. Water vapor is the most important greenhouse gas. It controls the Earth’s temperature.”

It’s true that water vapor is the largest contributor to the Earth’s greenhouse effect. On average, it probably accounts for about 60% of the warming effect. However, water vapor does not control the Earth’s temperature, but is instead controlled by the temperature. This is because the temperature of the surrounding atmosphere limits the maximum amount of water vapor the atmosphere can contain. If a volume of air contains its maximum amount of water vapor and the temperature is decreased, some of the water vapor will condense to form liquid water. This is why clouds form as warm air containing water vapor rises and cools at higher altitudes where the water condenses to the tiny droplets that make up clouds.

The greenhouse effect that has maintained the Earth’s temperature at a level warm enough for human civilization to develop over the past several millennia is controlled by non-condensable gases, mainly carbon dioxide, CO2, with smaller contributions from methane, CH4, nitrous oxide, N2O, and ozone, O3. Since the middle of the 20th century, small amounts of man-made gases, mostly chlorine- and fluorine-containing solvents and refrigerants, have been added to the mix. Because these gases are not condensable at atmospheric temperatures and pressures, the atmosphere can pack in much more of these gases . Thus, CO2 (as well as CH4, N2O, and O3) has been building up in the atmosphere since the Industrial Revolution when we began burning large amounts of fossil fuel.

If there had been no increase in the amounts of non-condensable greenhouse gases, the amount of water vapor in the atmosphere would not have changed with all other variables remaining the same. The addition of the non-condensable gases causes the temperature to increase and this leads to an increase in water vapor that further increases the temperature. This is an example of a positive feedback effect. The warming due to increasing non-condensable gases causes more water vapor to enter the atmosphere, which adds to the effect of the non-condensables.

See ho w the AGW cult posts things they do not understand yet goes against the AGW dogma and shows that CO2 does NOT control climate..

 

[sealybobo]

Solar hydro wind and they had this smokestack with water vapor coming out.

Water Vapor is a GHG or did you not know that?

So?

And the far left/AGW cult proves that they do not understand anything beyond their programming..

People are never told that the most powerful greenhouse gases by orders of magnitude is water vapor and clouds. When only human emitted CO2 is considered, less than one percent of the greenhouse gas potential comes from human activity. Yet, all the global warming is supposed to be attributed to it. Water vapor plays a huge role in keeping the earth warm; 70 times more powerful than the CO2 emitted by human activity. When clouds are added, CO2 becomes even less important. However, clouds not only trap heat, low elevation clouds also reflect much of the incoming solar radiation, so the sun's heat never reaches the earth's surface which cools the earth. It is this mechanism that a growing number of scientists believe is one of the primary mechanisms warming and cooling the earth.

You lying little fuck. Every scientific paper that concerns itself with the warming potential of GHGs includes water vapor. From John Tyndall to present.

We have increased the CO2 level from 280 ppm to over 400 ppm, the CH4 level from 760 ppb to over 1850 ppb. And added industrial gases for which there is no natural analog, many of which are thousands of times as powerful of GHGs as CO2.

American Chemical Society

It’s Water Vapor, Not the CO2
ACS Climate Science Toolkit | Narratives
Remark: “The Earth has certainly been warming since we have added so much CO2 to the atmosphere from fossil fuel burning.”
Reply: “Forget the CO2. Water vapor is the most important greenhouse gas. It controls the Earth’s temperature.”

It’s true that water vapor is the largest contributor to the Earth’s greenhouse effect. On average, it probably accounts for about 60% of the warming effect. However, water vapor does not control the Earth’s temperature, but is instead controlled by the temperature. This is because the temperature of the surrounding atmosphere limits the maximum amount of water vapor the atmosphere can contain. If a volume of air contains its maximum amount of water vapor and the temperature is decreased, some of the water vapor will condense to form liquid water. This is why clouds form as warm air containing water vapor rises and cools at higher altitudes where the water condenses to the tiny droplets that make up clouds.

The greenhouse effect that has maintained the Earth’s temperature at a level warm enough for human civilization to develop over the past several millennia is controlled by non-condensable gases, mainly carbon dioxide, CO2, with smaller contributions from methane, CH4, nitrous oxide, N2O, and ozone, O3. Since the middle of the 20th century, small amounts of man-made gases, mostly chlorine- and fluorine-containing solvents and refrigerants, have been added to the mix. Because these gases are not condensable at atmospheric temperatures and pressures, the atmosphere can pack in much more of these gases . Thus, CO2 (as well as CH4, N2O, and O3) has been building up in the atmosphere since the Industrial Revolution when we began burning large amounts of fossil fuel.

If there had been no increase in the amounts of non-condensable greenhouse gases, the amount of water vapor in the atmosphere would not have changed with all other variables remaining the same. The addition of the non-condensable gases causes the temperature to increase and this leads to an increase in water vapor that further increases the temperature. This is an example of a positive feedback effect. The warming due to increasing non-condensable gases causes more water vapor to enter the atmosphere, which adds to the effect of the non-condensables.

Look how much you had to say to explain why he's wrong and I bet you'll catch him making the same bad argument in a couple days. Eventually you get tired of explaining over and over

 

[Kosh]

The corporations pay the GOP a lot to stay ignorant. Reminds me of when they said led was natural and OK for us. Liar or stupid. Which are you? Do you really believe or are you being paid to lie?

The problem is there is not a shred of empirical evidence to support AGW theory. Nada, zilch, zero, null. That IS the reality. And the government handouts to the various NGO's and other advocacy groups is orders of magnitude more than what the corporations have doled out.

Once again, Walleyes, you are a liar. Every single Scientific Society states you are a liar. Most importantly, the American Institute of Physics has a site that shows in what ways you are lying.

The Carbon Dioxide Greenhouse Effect

Another AGW cult member that posts links to things they do not understand.

 

[Kosh]

The corporations pay the GOP a lot to stay ignorant. Reminds me of when they said led was natural and OK for us. Liar or stupid. Which are you? Do you really believe or are you being paid to lie?

Just ask James Hansen who lives in his mansion and drives a Bentley, ask AL Gore who bought 7 of his 9 mansions preaching the AGW scriptures..

You tell me..

The al gore has a mansion argument is so dumb. This isn't something one person can fix. This has to be mandated by our society so we all stop burning so much electricity.

I heard we burn more electricity collectively with our DVDs plugged in but not running than we do watching DVDs.

Pollution does not equal AGW.

AGW is a religious cult not based on any real science.

 

[sealybobo]

Solar hydro wind and they had this smokestack with water vapor coming out.

Water Vapor is a GHG or did you not know that?

So?

And the far left/AGW cult proves that they do not understand anything beyond their programming..

People are never told that the most powerful greenhouse gases by orders of magnitude is water vapor and clouds. When only human emitted CO2 is considered, less than one percent of the greenhouse gas potential comes from human activity. Yet, all the global warming is supposed to be attributed to it. Water vapor plays a huge role in keeping the earth warm; 70 times more powerful than the CO2 emitted by human activity. When clouds are added, CO2 becomes even less important. However, clouds not only trap heat, low elevation clouds also reflect much of the incoming solar radiation, so the sun's heat never reaches the earth's surface which cools the earth. It is this mechanism that a growing number of scientists believe is one of the primary mechanisms warming and cooling the earth.

You lying little fuck. Every scientific paper that concerns itself with the warming potential of GHGs includes water vapor. From John Tyndall to present.

We have increased the CO2 level from 280 ppm to over 400 ppm, the CH4 level from 760 ppb to over 1850 ppb. And added industrial gases for which there is no natural analog, many of which are thousands of times as powerful of GHGs as CO2.

American Chemical Society

It’s Water Vapor, Not the CO2
ACS Climate Science Toolkit | Narratives
Remark: “The Earth has certainly been warming since we have added so much CO2 to the atmosphere from fossil fuel burning.”
Reply: “Forget the CO2. Water vapor is the most important greenhouse gas. It controls the Earth’s temperature.”

It’s true that water vapor is the largest contributor to the Earth’s greenhouse effect. On average, it probably accounts for about 60% of the warming effect. However, water vapor does not control the Earth’s temperature, but is instead controlled by the temperature. This is because the temperature of the surrounding atmosphere limits the maximum amount of water vapor the atmosphere can contain. If a volume of air contains its maximum amount of water vapor and the temperature is decreased, some of the water vapor will condense to form liquid water. This is why clouds form as warm air containing water vapor rises and cools at higher altitudes where the water condenses to the tiny droplets that make up clouds.

The greenhouse effect that has maintained the Earth’s temperature at a level warm enough for human civilization to develop over the past several millennia is controlled by non-condensable gases, mainly carbon dioxide, CO2, with smaller contributions from methane, CH4, nitrous oxide, N2O, and ozone, O3. Since the middle of the 20th century, small amounts of man-made gases, mostly chlorine- and fluorine-containing solvents and refrigerants, have been added to the mix. Because these gases are not condensable at atmospheric temperatures and pressures, the atmosphere can pack in much more of these gases . Thus, CO2 (as well as CH4, N2O, and O3) has been building up in the atmosphere since the Industrial Revolution when we began burning large amounts of fossil fuel.

If there had been no increase in the amounts of non-condensable greenhouse gases, the amount of water vapor in the atmosphere would not have changed with all other variables remaining the same. The addition of the non-condensable gases causes the temperature to increase and this leads to an increase in water vapor that further increases the temperature. This is an example of a positive feedback effect. The warming due to increasing non-condensable gases causes more water vapor to enter the atmosphere, which adds to the effect of the non-condensables.

See ho w the AGW cult posts things they do not understand yet goes against the AGW dogma and shows that CO2 does NOT control climate..

See old rocks? What I tell you! Don't bother explaining to fools.