Remember when Trump was attacking NATO? Thank your lucky stars he was fired.

[NotfooledbyW]

You just admitted Iraq had WMDs

No. Rusted out shells could not be used as WMD for any military purpose. They in no way can be described as “the most lethal weapons ever devised”

Bush lied - to start a war DJT KNOWS IT. Why dont you.

“Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised.” DUBYA the DECIDER March 17 2003.

But Mr Bush admits that he was shocked when no weapons of mass destruction were found in Iraq. "No one was more shocked and angry than I was when we didn't find the weapons," he writes.

George W Bush had 'sickening feeling' over WMD lack

"I had a sickening feeling every time I thought about it. I still do."


Do you really think the junk pile of the 1980s rusted out unusable artillery shells justifies killing 5000 American soldiers and half a million Iraqis. Do you want us to celebrate the fact that Bush started a war over a junk pile.

 

[Wyatt earp]

No. Rusted out shells could not be used as WMD for any military purpose. They in no way can be described as “the most lethal weapons ever devised”

Bush lied - to start a war DJT KNOWS IT. Why dont you.

“Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised.” DUBYA the DECIDER March 17 2003.

But Mr Bush admits that he was shocked when no weapons of mass destruction were found in Iraq. "No one was more shocked and angry than I was when we didn't find the weapons," he writes.

George W Bush had 'sickening feeling' over WMD lack

"I had a sickening feeling every time I thought about it. I still do."


Do you really think the junk pile of the 1980s rusted out unusable artillery shells justifies killing 5000 American soldiers and half a million Iraqis. Do you want us to celebrate the fact that Bush started a war over a junk pile.

Get your story correct and please and thank you stop revising it.

The US sent Iraq WMDs in the 1980s

Saddam said he had WMDs during the Iraq/Iran war to appear strong

Bush Jr received bad intelligence , he didn't lie.

Collin Powell spoke to the UN saying Iraq was manufacturing new WMDs - that turned out to be wrong

US troops found WMDs in Iraq and got hurt by them - true

The CIA interviewed Saddam on his death bed and he said he was just bluffing - true


Your hatred of Bush Jr just blinds you to the truth

 

[NotfooledbyW]

The CIA interviewed Saddam on his death bed and he said he was just bluffing - true

The link you posted said no such thing. I know what you are referring to.. I studied it extensively. SADDAM was bluffing prior to 9/11/01 and then quit. He denied publically having WMD prior to the US invasion. You are a liar. There is no other way to put it.,

 

[NotfooledbyW]

US troops found WMDs in Iraq and got hurt by them - true

The truth is US troops found junkpiles of old rusty chemical artillery shells in Iraq and got hurt by them. Even Bush admits those junkpile shells were not the - most lethal weapons ever devised - that Bush claimed he had intelligence we’re being hidden by Saddam Hussein on March 17, 2003 from UN inspectors as justification for starting a war.

you are a liar by eliminating the context of what was actually found compared to what was actually used for the justification of the war. M

You are a sick demented conservative trying to push propaganda as if there was a good reason that 5000 American soldiers needed to die and tens of thousands wounded to find 5000 junkyard artillery shells. One American soldier killed for each rusty old useless shell.

Why are you such a lousy American and dishonorable human being?

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Collin Powell spoke to the UN saying Iraq was manufacturing new WMDs - that turned out to be wrong

He never said he had evidence. The UN inspectors prior to the invasion found absolutely no evidence of any operation manufacturing new WMDs.

Bush agreed when he signed onto UN resolution 1441 in October 2002 that he will provide all evidence of WMD stockpiles and or manufacturing to the inspectors so they can check and verify.

The bush administration claimed that they did share their evidence with UN inspectors. You could’ve known they had no idea evidence of this before the invasion.

Bush had no evidence that would justify starting a war. He was lying. Donald J Trump has been able to figure out that Bush lied about WMD to start a war. That’s a war crime.Bushes of war criminal. It’s a shame he has never been indicted.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Get your story correct and please and thank you stop revising it.

I am correct and I have never revised anything I’ve said here today.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Bush Jr received bad intelligence , he didn't lie.

DJT says he lied so it’s not only me. But I can be specific. Bush lied that he had intelligence on September 17 2003 but a week before that Bush was willing to leave SH in power if the UN Inspectors could Finnish there work on or before March 17 2003. Bush could not have had evidence of hidden WMD on the 10th of March if he was willing to leave SH in power after March 17. He gave no evidence to the inspectors during that week that
Had been reported.

So this has to be a lie.

“Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised.” DUBYA the DECIDER March 17 2003.

Intelligence gathered in one week - give me a break.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Get your story correct and please and thank you stop revising it.

The US sent Iraq WMDs in the 1980s

Saddam said he had WMDs during the Iraq/Iran war to appear strong

Bush Jr received bad intelligence , he didn't lie.

Collin Powell spoke to the UN saying Iraq was manufacturing new WMDs - that turned out to be wrong

US troops found WMDs in Iraq and got hurt by them - true

The CIA interviewed Saddam on his death bed and he said he was just bluffing - true


Your hatred of Bush Jr just blinds you to the truth

Saddam didn't have a death bed.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

The US sent Iraq WMDs in the 1980s

So Iraq did not make what US troops found on the scrap piles.

 

[Wyatt earp]

So Iraq did not make what US troops found on the scrap piles.

Yes..

( sorry I was busy arguing about the bible)

 

[Wyatt earp]

Saddam didn't have a death bed.

Yes he did / jail a read nixions book a few years ago

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Your hatred of Bush Jr just blinds you to the truth

I hate presidents who lie about the necessity of preemptive war. You should too.

Trump, Feb. 13 2016:

"George Bush made a mistake. We can make mistakes. But that one was a beauty. We should have never been in Iraq. We have destabilized the Middle East,"

"You call it whatever you want. I will tell you. They lied. They said there were weapons of mass destruction and there were none. And they knew there were none. There were no weapons of mass destruction,"

 

[Wyatt earp]

I hate presidents who lie about the necessity of preemptive war. You should too.

Trump, Feb. 13 2016:

"George Bush made a mistake. We can make mistakes. But that one was a beauty. We should have never been in Iraq. We have destabilized the Middle East,"

"You call it whatever you want. I will tell you. They lied. They said there were weapons of mass destruction and there were none. And they knew there were none. There were no weapons of mass destruction,"

Seriously I thought I told you this before, I am on your side after the the hearings on the Iraq war to the UN I said to myself this is bullshit and didn't vote the second time for Jr.

But what I don't like is people not telling everything about a subject

 

[MisterBeale]

The point was Ukraine did nothing to threaten a superpower that required that superpower to think it needed to be ruling in Ukraine ever.

Are you aware of an impending attack on the Russian Federation by Ukraine in the days leading up to February 24 2022

This, is untrue, and propaganda. The western media only reported on Russia's military build-up. It did not report on Ukraine's equally large military build-up in front of the Donbas region, preparing for an assault. You are either misinformed, or purposely spreading misinformation.

Again, if you are just going to spread one sided war propaganda. . . and ADMIT. . .

There is no context of how we got here needed.

Then why do any of us even need bother have a conversation with you? You will not accept any opposing facts. . . just war propaganda and lies that support your narrative.

Bush 43 is a war criminal like Putin for ordering regime change based on lies.

Hillary was never President Bill and Obama never ordered a regime change on a non-threatening regime.

Not relevant to the current conflict. Ukraine is Russia's sphere of influence. NATO and the Anglo-American alliance? They need to stay the hell out of it. It is documented that they haven't been. . . again, I refer you back to that video, or the one I posted from Oliver Stone.

I am amazed at the power of either propaganda, or how out of touch some of you people have become. I seriously am. I remember the cold war, and how seriously we took nuclear annihilation, and we were adults about foreign relations. I miss those days.



This article, sums it up best.

ROBERT PARRY: Playing Nuclear Chicken Over Ukraine​

ROBERT PARRY: Playing Nuclear Chicken Over Ukraine

With U.S.-Russia tension boiling over after Russia entered Ukraine's 8-year civil war and on Sunday put its nuclear arsenal on alert, we reprint this dire warning from Robert Parry in March 2015. A version of this article first appeared on March 2, 2015. By Robert Parry Special to Consor

consortiumnews.com

". . . Perhaps the greatest danger from the new neocon dream for “regime change” in Moscow is that whoever follows Putin might not be the pliable yes man that the neocons envision, but a fierce Russian nationalist who would suddenly have control of their nuclear launch codes and might decide that it’s time for the United States to make concessions or face annihilation.

On March 3, The Washington Post‘s neocon editorialists emphasized the need for ousting Putin as they anti-Putin activists who have urged an escalation of Western pressure on Russia. The Post wrote: “They say he [Putin] can be stopped only by steps that decisively raise the cost of his military aggression and cripple the financial system that sustains his regime.”

Yet, what I find truly remarkable about the Ukraine crisis is that it was always relatively simple to resolve: Before the coup, Yanukovych agreed to reduced powers and early elections so he could be voted out of office. Then, either he or some new leadership could have crafted an economic arrangement that expanded ties to the EU while not severing them with Russia.

Even after the coup, the new regime could have negotiated a federalized system that granted more independence to the disenfranchised ethnic Russians of eastern Ukraine, rather than launch a brutal “anti-terrorist operation” against those resisting the new authorities. But Official Washington’s “group think” has been single-minded: only bellicose anti-Russian sentiments are permitted and no suggestions of accommodation are allowed.

Still, spending time this weekend with people like Helen Caldicott, an Australian physician who has committed much of her life to campaigning against nuclear weapons, reminded me that this devil-may-care attitude toward a showdown with Russia, which has gripped the U.S. political/media establishment, is not universal. Not everyone agrees with Official Washington’s nonchalance about playing a tough-guy game of nuclear chicken.

As part of the conference, Caldicott asked attendees to stay around for a late-afternoon showing of the 1959 movie, On the Beach, which tells the story of the last survivors from a nuclear war as they prepare to die when the radioactive cloud that has eliminated life everywhere else finally reaches Australia. A mystery in the movie is how the final war began, who started it and why with the best guess being that some radar operator somewhere thought he saw something and someone reacted in haste.

Watching the movie reminded me that there was a time when Americans were serious about the existential threat from U.S.-Russian nuclear weapons, when there were films like Dr. Strangelove, Fail Safe, and On the Beach. Now, there’s a cavalier disinterest in those risks, a self-confidence that one can put his or her political or journalistic career first and just assume that some adult will step in before the worst happens."

 

[MisterBeale]

On the Beach 1959​

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Putin just wants to be left alone, get rid of the sanctions and everything is cool

Yea we know how you despise the fact that Russia is embracing capitalism and leaving socialism/communism ..

Thank God for Russia, one of the few countries not controlled by Neocons.

Oh please if Putin wanted he could be in Spain in a matter of days and the USA couldn't stop him .

Whilst the democrats and their media lap dogs continue to focus on Russia.....China remains the biggest threat to America

Look in the mirror if you want to see who bombed millions of people on the Earth, organized colorful revolutions and coups. Including in my home country of Ukraine. Thanks, a lot, "democracy" importers

Trump and Putin is following Gorbachev and Reagan's leadership

We need Putin more than ever now to save us from the enemy with in.

The western media only reported on Russia's military build-up. It did not report on Ukraine's equally large military build-up in front of the Donbas region, preparing for an assault.

On February 21 both militaries had respect for internationally established borders. Is that correct?

 

[Markle]

What a horrible monster Trump is! Expecting free loading NATO nations to share in the costs of their defense.
Incredible. What gall! What effrontery!

Great word!

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Yes he did / jail a read nixions book a few years ago

He was hanged,

 

[EvilCat Breath]

What difference does it make what Trump wanted or didn't want from NATO. It's not like NATO is doing anything for Ukraine l

 

[Markle]

That is silly because the Ukraine is far more corrupt than Russia ever was.
If the Ukraine was to nice and democratic, then the Donetsk and Crimea would not have voted 93% to leave.
And it is the Ukraine that was convicted of stealing oil, not Russia.

Actually, it was 97%. Do you really believe any election be that one-sided? Really?