Reconciliation for Fallen Angels & Fallen Humans

[SoCalSmurf]

As I understand it, there is no reconciliation for the fallen angels because they were not the elect of God. Only those whom God elects, angels and humans, are the ones saved. Can the fallen angels ever repent or change? No because they're devoted to Satan and to oppose God.

God can choose a fallen angel to be saved because He is all in all and has the authority to do so. There is no need for repentance when the soul is salvaged the moment atonement is made. I will say again, the atonement for those in hell can be made by offering up our good works to Jesus. God has all power and authority over those in hell. And they can be saved.

So why does god make deformed babies?

God doesn't make deformed babies. "In most cases, doctors don't know what caused a baby's birth defect. When the cause is known, it might be environmental (such as a baby's exposure to chemicals or viruses while in the womb), a problem with genes, or a combination of these things."

Read more: Birth Defects (for Parents) - KidsHealth

 

[Taz]

As I understand it, there is no reconciliation for the fallen angels because they were not the elect of God. Only those whom God elects, angels and humans, are the ones saved. Can the fallen angels ever repent or change? No because they're devoted to Satan and to oppose God.

God can choose a fallen angel to be saved because He is all in all and has the authority to do so. There is no need for repentance when the soul is salvaged the moment atonement is made. I will say again, the atonement for those in hell can be made by offering up our good works to Jesus. God has all power and authority over those in hell. And they can be saved.

So why does god make deformed babies?

God doesn't make deformed babies. "In most cases, doctors don't know what caused a baby's birth defect. When the cause is known, it might be environmental (such as a baby's exposure to chemicals or viruses while in the womb), a problem with genes, or a combination of these things."

Read more: Birth Defects (for Parents) - KidsHealth

But if god made everything in the universe, why did it make it so that deformed and retarded babies could happen?

 

[SoCalSmurf]

Have you considered this scripture?...

Lamentations 3:31-33. For no one is cast off by the Lord forever. Though he brings grief, he will show compassion, so great is his unfailing love. For he does not willingly bring affliction or grief to anyone.

And why are we told to preach the gospel to all creation?...

Mark 16:15. He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation.”

The "no one" in the line "For no one is cast off by the Lord forever. " is referring to people, not angels. God did not create the angels in His own image, they are merely messengers.

The scripture that you quoted shows that even though there was at one time what was called the "unforgivable sin" (Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit), that too can be cleansed by the blood of Christ.

Jesus Himself said;

Mathew 12:32. Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the one to come.

So Jesus is threatening people? What's he going to do, spank me?

He can withdraw His love from you. Those in the afterlife without God's love are miserable. We were meant to be with God. And to go against this is to go against all that we were created for. It is the human condition that we are evil and wicked without God in the afterlife. One suffers a spiritual death…the soul is evil, deceitful, and in ruins. Man is better off had he not been born. The souls are scattered throughout the netherworld. And we lose are families and friends.

With God, our souls are restored to the first inbreathing at creation, when God said man was 'good." The anger, hatred, and evil are removed from our hearts. We are gathered to be with our families and friends. We are now with a most loving God, His Son, the angels and saints in heaven. This is the way it was meant to be.

Di you make this stuff up? Or did you read it in a book of fiction?

I've seen many truths in the Bible first hand. Here's my testimony: True Story of Christ & Salvation

 

[Taz]

The "no one" in the line "For no one is cast off by the Lord forever. " is referring to people, not angels. God did not create the angels in His own image, they are merely messengers.

The scripture that you quoted shows that even though there was at one time what was called the "unforgivable sin" (Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit), that too can be cleansed by the blood of Christ.

Jesus Himself said;

Mathew 12:32. Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the one to come.

So Jesus is threatening people? What's he going to do, spank me?

He can withdraw His love from you. Those in the afterlife without God's love are miserable. We were meant to be with God. And to go against this is to go against all that we were created for. It is the human condition that we are evil and wicked without God in the afterlife. One suffers a spiritual death…the soul is evil, deceitful, and in ruins. Man is better off had he not been born. The souls are scattered throughout the netherworld. And we lose are families and friends.

With God, our souls are restored to the first inbreathing at creation, when God said man was 'good." The anger, hatred, and evil are removed from our hearts. We are gathered to be with our families and friends. We are now with a most loving God, His Son, the angels and saints in heaven. This is the way it was meant to be.

Di you make this stuff up? Or did you read it in a book of fiction?

I've seen many truths in the Bible first hand. Here's my testimony: True Story of Christ & Salvation

You hear voices, you might have schizophrenia. But why is there a picture of Kenny Rogers next to the one with the guy with the really small dick?

 

[SoCalSmurf]

As I understand it, there is no reconciliation for the fallen angels because they were not the elect of God. Only those whom God elects, angels and humans, are the ones saved. Can the fallen angels ever repent or change? No because they're devoted to Satan and to oppose God.

God can choose a fallen angel to be saved because He is all in all and has the authority to do so. There is no need for repentance when the soul is salvaged the moment atonement is made. I will say again, the atonement for those in hell can be made by offering up our good works to Jesus. God has all power and authority over those in hell. And they can be saved.

So why does god make deformed babies?

God doesn't make deformed babies. "In most cases, doctors don't know what caused a baby's birth defect. When the cause is known, it might be environmental (such as a baby's exposure to chemicals or viruses while in the womb), a problem with genes, or a combination of these things."

Read more: Birth Defects (for Parents) - KidsHealth

But if god made everything in the universe, why did it make it so that deformed and retarded babies could happen?

He created us with free will and the ability to know better. In your signature, you say that you are open to viewing proof of God's existence. Here is a page in my blog that reveals God here on earth through His Holy Spirit. Real photographs of the Holy Spirit are included: A Christian Biblical Study of the Holy Spirit & Spiritual Orbs

 

[The Irish Ram]

As I understand it, there is no reconciliation for the fallen angels because they were not the elect of God. Only those whom God elects, angels and humans, are the ones saved. Can the fallen angels ever repent or change? No because they're devoted to Satan and to oppose God.

With all due respect Meri, Christ nailed our sins to the cross. There is no need for a purifying place to remove sin. If you accept Christ as your Savior, our Father puts our sins behind Him and doesn't even remember them.

In my opinion, you misunderstand scripture. You also appear to take the misunderstandings that are plucked out of New Testament letters, and then try to re-shape the Gospels around them. For one, Paul did not say our sins were nailed to the cross. It was our condemnation (some compare it to a warrant for arrest) for not following the totality of Jewish law.

Next, in Judaism, priests continually offered new sacrifices to forgive additional sins or sins that were repeated. In Christ, our sins are forgiven when we turn away from that sin and back to God. The Letters often talk of God's Law (not Jewish law) being written on our hearts, and that we follow God's Law because of our love of God and His ways.

Jesus, in the Gospels, speaks of purification, of paying the last penny, of being judged. I, too, believe I understand what Paul (and the other authors) are saying. Our understandings differ, sometimes quite dramatically--but I don't think that will be held against either one of us.

I was taught there is no purgatory and that Christ will put his hand on our shoulder to purify us before entering heaven. This has to be done or else we are not holy, holy, holy enough to be received by God. That said, if that is a purgatory, i.e. a place to go, then why not? You also have the judging of one's works in the Lake of Fire as I understand it to take your rightful place in heaven.

"For no other foundation can any one lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. Now if any one builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble—each man’s work will become manifest; for the Day will disclose it, because it will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each one has done. If the work which any man has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward. If any man’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire." 1 Corinthians 3:11-15

There is no Biblical laying on of Christ's hands to purify us further. There is nothing more that is necessary but the work of the cross. It is not about our righteousness. You go to the Father through Christ's righteousness or not at all.
If God doesn't remember your sins, how is He going to judge you on them? Did He lie? Or did Christ miss some of our sins?

Why not a purgatory? Purgatory denies Christ's ability and authority. He didn't declare, " Almost paid in full ".
And a Judge/Just God, would never punish one for a sin then turn around and punish someone else for the same sin.
You can believe God when He tells you that if you believe in His Son He will put your sins behind Him. He will remember them no more. According to Him, He removed them from Him as far as the east is from the west.

Let's get to 1 Corinthians:
"For no other foundation can any one lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
Christ is the way the truth and the life... There is no other foundation. The next sentence tells us exactly who's works (not sins) is about to be tested. Those who have accepted Christ. It is how they are in the location they are in. They're in Heaven, sin free. Sin free because God remembers their sin no more. He said so. These people about to be judged are those Christians who have built upward on the foundation of Christ. It says so in the second sentence:
"Now if anyone build on the foundation...

You have reached the BEMA SEAT of CHRIST. This is the ONLY judgment a Christian will face. It's purpose is to hand out crowns and rewards according to one thing. > Were your good works done for Christ's sake (gold, silver precious stones) or for your own ego, like the Pharisees. (hay and stubble).
THIS JUDGMENT IS FOR REWARDS. The verse makes it quite clear. That is why you can suffer loss, and still be saved. Because the 2 are completely separate of one another. If you accept Christ and never do one thing for His sake, you are saved, and your sin free entrance into Heaven, and your place at God's table is reserved.

Having said that, picture yourself standing behind Mother Teresa in line for your rewards, for the sacrifices you have made for Christ's sake. Then go volunteer at a soup kitchen, or buy a coat for a homeless man you just walked passed. And don't tell anyone about it.

Matthew 6:1-34
“Beware of practicing your righteousness before other people in order to be seen by them, for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven. “Thus, when you give to the needy, sound no trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may be praised by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you. “And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites. For they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. "

The BEMA Judgment is one of love:
.. Not that I seek the gift, but I seek the fruit that increases to your credit.

The Lake of Fire is the punishment for Satan, demons and fallen angels to be meted out at the White Throne Judgment. That occurs after the 1,000 year reign of Christ (and His followers), here on earth. Those humans who chose to die with their sins still attached will also find their names on the White Throne Judgment docket and will be raised to plead their case at that time. This judgment has nothing to do with Christ's followers.
There ya go.

 

[Taz]

As I understand it, there is no reconciliation for the fallen angels because they were not the elect of God. Only those whom God elects, angels and humans, are the ones saved. Can the fallen angels ever repent or change? No because they're devoted to Satan and to oppose God.

God can choose a fallen angel to be saved because He is all in all and has the authority to do so. There is no need for repentance when the soul is salvaged the moment atonement is made. I will say again, the atonement for those in hell can be made by offering up our good works to Jesus. God has all power and authority over those in hell. And they can be saved.

So why does god make deformed babies?

God doesn't make deformed babies. "In most cases, doctors don't know what caused a baby's birth defect. When the cause is known, it might be environmental (such as a baby's exposure to chemicals or viruses while in the womb), a problem with genes, or a combination of these things."

Read more: Birth Defects (for Parents) - KidsHealth

But if god made everything in the universe, why did it make it so that deformed and retarded babies could happen?

He created us with free will and the ability to know better. In your signature, you say that you are open to viewing proof of God's existence. Here is a page in my blog that reveals God here on earth through His Holy Spirit. Real photographs of the Holy Spirit are included: A Christian Biblical Study of the Holy Spirit & Spiritual Orbs

Those circles are god?

So you didn't answer why god makes retarded and deformed babies able to happen.

 

[SoCalSmurf]

Jesus Himself said;

Mathew 12:32. Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the one to come.

So Jesus is threatening people? What's he going to do, spank me?

He can withdraw His love from you. Those in the afterlife without God's love are miserable. We were meant to be with God. And to go against this is to go against all that we were created for. It is the human condition that we are evil and wicked without God in the afterlife. One suffers a spiritual death…the soul is evil, deceitful, and in ruins. Man is better off had he not been born. The souls are scattered throughout the netherworld. And we lose are families and friends.

With God, our souls are restored to the first inbreathing at creation, when God said man was 'good." The anger, hatred, and evil are removed from our hearts. We are gathered to be with our families and friends. We are now with a most loving God, His Son, the angels and saints in heaven. This is the way it was meant to be.

Di you make this stuff up? Or did you read it in a book of fiction?

I've seen many truths in the Bible first hand. Here's my testimony: True Story of Christ & Salvation

You hear voices, you might have schizophrenia. But why is there a picture of Kenny Rogers next to the one with the guy with the really small dick?

That is the famous painting by Michelangelo, located on the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel and called Creation of Adam. It shows Adam on the left and Father God on the right.

 

[SoCalSmurf]

God can choose a fallen angel to be saved because He is all in all and has the authority to do so. There is no need for repentance when the soul is salvaged the moment atonement is made. I will say again, the atonement for those in hell can be made by offering up our good works to Jesus. God has all power and authority over those in hell. And they can be saved.

So why does god make deformed babies?

God doesn't make deformed babies. "In most cases, doctors don't know what caused a baby's birth defect. When the cause is known, it might be environmental (such as a baby's exposure to chemicals or viruses while in the womb), a problem with genes, or a combination of these things."

Read more: Birth Defects (for Parents) - KidsHealth

But if god made everything in the universe, why did it make it so that deformed and retarded babies could happen?

He created us with free will and the ability to know better. In your signature, you say that you are open to viewing proof of God's existence. Here is a page in my blog that reveals God here on earth through His Holy Spirit. Real photographs of the Holy Spirit are included: A Christian Biblical Study of the Holy Spirit & Spiritual Orbs

Those circles are god?

So you didn't answer why god makes retarded and deformed babies able to happen.

Those circles are photographs of the Holy Spirit.

Why don't you ask the crack or meth head mother why their child was born deformed?

 

[Taz]

So why does god make deformed babies?

God doesn't make deformed babies. "In most cases, doctors don't know what caused a baby's birth defect. When the cause is known, it might be environmental (such as a baby's exposure to chemicals or viruses while in the womb), a problem with genes, or a combination of these things."

Read more: Birth Defects (for Parents) - KidsHealth

But if god made everything in the universe, why did it make it so that deformed and retarded babies could happen?

He created us with free will and the ability to know better. In your signature, you say that you are open to viewing proof of God's existence. Here is a page in my blog that reveals God here on earth through His Holy Spirit. Real photographs of the Holy Spirit are included: A Christian Biblical Study of the Holy Spirit & Spiritual Orbs

Those circles are god?

So you didn't answer why god makes retarded and deformed babies able to happen.

Those circles are photographs of the Holy Spirit.

Why don't you ask the crack or meth head mother why their child was born deformed?

Most deformed or retarded babies come from normal people. Why would god allow that?

And if you keep saying that those round things are pictures of the holy spirit, they won't let you out of the insane asylum.

 

[Taz]

So Jesus is threatening people? What's he going to do, spank me?

He can withdraw His love from you. Those in the afterlife without God's love are miserable. We were meant to be with God. And to go against this is to go against all that we were created for. It is the human condition that we are evil and wicked without God in the afterlife. One suffers a spiritual death…the soul is evil, deceitful, and in ruins. Man is better off had he not been born. The souls are scattered throughout the netherworld. And we lose are families and friends.

With God, our souls are restored to the first inbreathing at creation, when God said man was 'good." The anger, hatred, and evil are removed from our hearts. We are gathered to be with our families and friends. We are now with a most loving God, His Son, the angels and saints in heaven. This is the way it was meant to be.

Di you make this stuff up? Or did you read it in a book of fiction?

I've seen many truths in the Bible first hand. Here's my testimony: True Story of Christ & Salvation

You hear voices, you might have schizophrenia. But why is there a picture of Kenny Rogers next to the one with the guy with the really small dick?

That is the famous painting by Michelangelo, located on the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel and called Creation of Adam. It shows Adam on the left and Father God on the right.

So god made Adam with a REALLY small cock?

 

[SoCalSmurf]

He can withdraw His love from you. Those in the afterlife without God's love are miserable. We were meant to be with God. And to go against this is to go against all that we were created for. It is the human condition that we are evil and wicked without God in the afterlife. One suffers a spiritual death…the soul is evil, deceitful, and in ruins. Man is better off had he not been born. The souls are scattered throughout the netherworld. And we lose are families and friends.

With God, our souls are restored to the first inbreathing at creation, when God said man was 'good." The anger, hatred, and evil are removed from our hearts. We are gathered to be with our families and friends. We are now with a most loving God, His Son, the angels and saints in heaven. This is the way it was meant to be.

Di you make this stuff up? Or did you read it in a book of fiction?

I've seen many truths in the Bible first hand. Here's my testimony: True Story of Christ & Salvation

You hear voices, you might have schizophrenia. But why is there a picture of Kenny Rogers next to the one with the guy with the really small dick?

That is the famous painting by Michelangelo, located on the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel and called Creation of Adam. It shows Adam on the left and Father God on the right.

So god made Adam with a REALLY small cock?

No, the artist, Michelangelo did.

 

[Taz]

Di you make this stuff up? Or did you read it in a book of fiction?

I've seen many truths in the Bible first hand. Here's my testimony: True Story of Christ & Salvation

You hear voices, you might have schizophrenia. But why is there a picture of Kenny Rogers next to the one with the guy with the really small dick?

That is the famous painting by Michelangelo, located on the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel and called Creation of Adam. It shows Adam on the left and Father God on the right.

So god made Adam with a REALLY small cock?

No, the artist, Michelangelo did.

So you put it on your page because you like really small cocks?

 

[HaShev]

Ummm, how can you be without christ if you are with YHWH and your faith claims your christ and God as one in the same?

By missing the hour of your visitation....

That is not a viable answer.
I use the word "checkmate" to denote definitively being backed into a corner where any move (excuse comment) anyone makes would still remove
" your king". Game was over and your non viable answer proves this fact as would all excuses and smokescreen responses.

Except I have prophetic proof. You can never back Christ into a corner. He sure called it on the no stone left upon the other, and why:
They will level you to the ground— you and the children within your walls. They will not leave one stone on another, because you did not recognize the time of your visitation from God.”

You have nothing. You fell for the earliest version of fake (good) news.
A story combining enough real figures with mythical characters to seem real, and you the fish bought it hook line and sinker. If you have something then bring him here in the forum to discuss the difference between rational precepts and seemingly good fair ideas that have opposite affects then the painted illusions.
TAKE THE CHALLENGE BRING FORTH YOUR IDOL or is he sleeping like the time Enoch called on similar Baal worshippers to wake up their idol god?
*playing the anticipatory
Jeopardy Song*

Ahh shaddup already.

You claim to be the Messiah. You voted for and support Trump..a degenerate, a traitor, and a liar.


nuff said....

Aren't you guys tired of being wrong all the time? 4 wrong out of 6 on that post...*L*
Now mirror reflect what you said:
You worship as a god A Roman story of an icon Jesus who claimed to be Messiah who supported Caesar and his higher tax plan. *L*

 

[JGalt]

Have you considered this scripture?...

Lamentations 3:31-33. For no one is cast off by the Lord forever. Though he brings grief, he will show compassion, so great is his unfailing love. For he does not willingly bring affliction or grief to anyone.

And why are we told to preach the gospel to all creation?...

Mark 16:15. He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation.”

The "no one" in the line "For no one is cast off by the Lord forever. " is referring to people, not angels. God did not create the angels in His own image, they are merely messengers.

The scripture that you quoted shows that even though there was at one time what was called the "unforgivable sin" (Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit), that too can be cleansed by the blood of Christ.

Jesus Himself said;

Mathew 12:32. Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the one to come.

So Jesus is threatening people? What's he going to do, spank me?

He can withdraw His love from you. Those in the afterlife without God's love are miserable. We were meant to be with God. And to go against this is to go against all that we were created for. It is the human condition that we are evil and wicked without God in the afterlife. One suffers a spiritual death…the soul is evil, deceitful, and in ruins. Man is better off had he not been born. The souls are scattered throughout the netherworld. And we lose are families and friends.

With God, our souls are restored to the first inbreathing at creation, when God said man was 'good." The anger, hatred, and evil are removed from our hearts. We are gathered to be with our families and friends. We are now with a most loving God, His Son, the angels and saints in heaven. This is the way it was meant to be.

Di you make this stuff up? Or did you read it in a book of fiction?

Must have got that from this guy..

 

[The Irish Ram]

By missing the hour of your visitation....

That is not a viable answer.
I use the word "checkmate" to denote definitively being backed into a corner where any move (excuse comment) anyone makes would still remove
" your king". Game was over and your non viable answer proves this fact as would all excuses and smokescreen responses.

Except I have prophetic proof. You can never back Christ into a corner. He sure called it on the no stone left upon the other, and why:
They will level you to the ground— you and the children within your walls. They will not leave one stone on another, because you did not recognize the time of your visitation from God.”

You have nothing. You fell for the earliest version of fake (good) news.
A story combining enough real figures with mythical characters to seem real, and you the fish bought it hook line and sinker. If you have something then bring him here in the forum to discuss the difference between rational precepts and seemingly good fair ideas that have opposite affects then the painted illusions.
TAKE THE CHALLENGE BRING FORTH YOUR IDOL or is he sleeping like the time Enoch called on similar Baal worshippers to wake up their idol god?
*playing the anticipatory
Jeopardy Song*

Ahh shaddup already.

You claim to be the Messiah. You voted for and support Trump..a degenerate, a traitor, and a liar.


nuff said....

Aren't you guys tired of being wrong all the time? 4 wrong out of 6 on that post...*L*
Now mirror reflect what you said:
You worship as a god A Roman story of an icon Jesus who claimed to be Messiah who supported Caesar and his higher tax plan. *L*

You had better hope that Jesus is who He says He is. The whole world is about to turn on Israel in an effort to wipe it off the map. And no Roman story is going to save you.
You'll recognize Jesus the next time He visits...

 

[HaShev]

That is not a viable answer.
I use the word "checkmate" to denote definitively being backed into a corner where any move (excuse comment) anyone makes would still remove
" your king". Game was over and your non viable answer proves this fact as would all excuses and smokescreen responses.

Except I have prophetic proof. You can never back Christ into a corner. He sure called it on the no stone left upon the other, and why:
They will level you to the ground— you and the children within your walls. They will not leave one stone on another, because you did not recognize the time of your visitation from God.”

You have nothing. You fell for the earliest version of fake (good) news.
A story combining enough real figures with mythical characters to seem real, and you the fish bought it hook line and sinker. If you have something then bring him here in the forum to discuss the difference between rational precepts and seemingly good fair ideas that have opposite affects then the painted illusions.
TAKE THE CHALLENGE BRING FORTH YOUR IDOL or is he sleeping like the time Enoch called on similar Baal worshippers to wake up their idol god?
*playing the anticipatory
Jeopardy Song*

Ahh shaddup already.

You claim to be the Messiah. You voted for and support Trump..a degenerate, a traitor, and a liar.


nuff said....

Aren't you guys tired of being wrong all the time? 4 wrong out of 6 on that post...*L*
Now mirror reflect what you said:
You worship as a god A Roman story of an icon Jesus who claimed to be Messiah who supported Caesar and his higher tax plan. *L*

You had better hope that Jesus is who He says He is. The whole world is about to turn on Israel in an effort to wipe it off the map. And no Roman story is going to save you.
You'll recognize Jesus the next time He visits...

But then that right there is an admission Jesus wasn

 

[The Irish Ram]

“Grace and peace to you from Him who is, and who was, and who is to come, and from the seven spirits before his throne” ~Jesus

When things can't get any worse for Israel, keep your eye on the Mt. of Olives. He's coming back, and this time He is never going to leave you...

 

[Aletheia4u]

The following comes to me through my personal relationship with Father God, His Son, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit (see: True Story of Christ & Salvation ). I have provided scripture and thoughtful insight to support my personal revelations and my faith.

In both, the Old Testament and New Testament, sin offerings were made for the atonement of sins.

Numbers 28:30. Include one male goat to make atonement for you.

Hebrews 5:3. And by reason hereof he ought, as for the people, so also for himself, to offer for sins.

The atonement of sins were made for people before the coming Messiah who were without Christ. And thus, the atonement of sins can be made for those in the afterlife who are also without Christ.

Today, it is common practice for the dead in purgatory to obtain indulgence from God through the Catholic Church for remission of the temporal punishment due to sins whose guilt has already been forgiven (C.C.C., X. Indulgences). So, in other words, the Catholic Church intervenes for the individual by asking Father God, who stores up our good works, to apply some of them in lieu of punishment due to sins. But these indulgences are limited to those who die in the communion of saints. Although, falling short of the glory of Christ, this is a good example of atonement being made for the dead in the afterlife by offering up good works.

The Churches fail to teach the complete work of salvation. Salvation must reach to all humans and fallen angels in all places of all times.

Mark 16:15. He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation.”

Jesus descended into hell for three days to deliver the faithful dead with His sacrificial blood atonement.

1 Peter 4:6. For this reason the gospel was preached also to the dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in spirit.

Jesus now holds the keys to death and Hades. The fallen humans and angels in hell can be saved. Otherwise, the work of salvation would not be complete and we fall short of the glory of God.

Revelations 1:18. I am the Living One; I was dead, and now look, I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades.

One of the attributes of God is that He goes unchanging. And Jesus would still hold the keys of death and Hades. He would still be salvaging and delivering the souls of the underworld. This is the one true Son of God. This is the Jesus, Christians and others should get to know. We should search scripture with the loving heart of Jesus.

Our good works can be offered up to Christ as atonement for the sins of those in the netherworld. Atonement is necessary because they are the fallen. This completes the work of salvation. To say otherwise, is to cut short the work of salvation in Christ.

2 Maccabees 12:46. Thus he made atonement for the dead that they might be freed from this sin.

It is all the same for God to free prisoners in this world from their captives as it is for Christ to free prisoners from their captives in the spirit world.

Zechariah 9:11. As for you, because of the blood of my covenant with you, I will free your prisoners from the waterless pit.

And Christ will free prisoners in hell through you because of the blood of the covenant He has with you. This is a blessing bestowed upon us by our Lord.

And, it is by the power of the Son of God that salvation is carried out.

1 Corinthians 1:18. For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.

Let’s not fail to see the significance of being able to offer up our goods works as atonement for the sins of the lost souls in hell. Your fallen family, friends, strangers and even angels without God can have their souls restored (salvaged) by the divine power of Christ and be with God, Jesus, the angels, family and friends in heaven. One must be in good standing with God and sense no unhealthy spirits in one’s life before atonement will be accepted. Although, atonement is required of us for the forgiveness of the sins of those in hell, it is by the Lord’s sacrifice that the souls of the dead can be salvaged and that heaven and hell are open. Glory goes to Father God and His Son, Jesus Christ. It is a privilege to partake in the heavenly family business of salvation and an even greater honor to work so closely with Father God and Christ in salvaging souls.

1 Corinthians 15:19. If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men the most pitiable.

Jesus is mighty to save and He will stretch His staff down to the very depths of hell to save souls.

What I say is true, it has been revealed to me by both Jesus Christ and Father God.

1 Thessalonians 5:19-21. Do not quench the Spirit. Do not treat prophecies with contempt but test them all; hold on to what is good,

In conclusion, this, my friends, is the most loving thing you can do for these poor, lost souls. And, may God bless you for such an undertaking.

During the time of the beginning. Adam and Eve were cast out on the 6th day. They had children. 2 of them were looking for away to atone for the parent's sin. Cain offered his fruits from his crop. But he didn't offered his best of his crops. But Abel offered his best. An unblemished lamb, with no defects. God had accepted Abel's offering. And so God had the Hebrews to offered the best from their flocks, for the remembrance of Abel. To remind him that mankind is capable of being redeemed.

1 Corinthians 11:25 In the same way, after supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood; do this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me.”


Hebrews 12:24 to Jesus the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better word than the blood of Abel.


Psalm 20:3 May he remember all your sacrifices and accept your burnt offerings.

 

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I would like to share with you an Ancient Homily that was read for Holy Saturday. I do hope you enjoy it as much as I have.

The Lord’s descent into hell

“What is happening? Today there is a great silence over the earth, a great silence, and stillness, a great silence because the King sleeps; the earth was in terror and was still, because God slept in the flesh and raised up those who were sleeping from the ages. God has died in the flesh, and the underworld has trembled.

Truly he goes to seek out our first parent like a lost sheep; he wishes to visit those who sit in darkness and in the shadow of death. He goes to free the prisoner Adam and his fellow-prisoner Eve from their pains, he who is God, and Adam’s son.

The Lord goes in to them holding his victorious weapon, his cross. When Adam, the first created man, sees him, he strikes his breast in terror and calls out to all: ‘My Lord be with you all.’ And Christ in reply says to Adam: ‘And with your spirit.’ And grasping his hand he raises him up, saying: ‘Awake, O sleeper, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give you light.

‘I am your God, who for your sake became your son, who for you and your descendants now speak and command with authority those in prison: Come forth, and those in darkness: Have light, and those who sleep: Rise.

‘I command you: Awake, sleeper, I have not made you to be held a prisoner in the underworld. Arise from the dead; I am the life of the dead. Arise, O man, work of my hands, arise, you who were fashioned in my image. Rise, let us go hence; for you in me and I in you, together we are one undivided person.

‘For you, I your God became your son; for you, I the Master took on your form; that of slave; for you, I who am above the heavens came on earth and under the earth; for you, man, I became as a man without help, free among the dead; for you, who left a garden, I was handed over to Jews from a garden and crucified in a garden.

‘Look at the spittle on my face, which I received because of you, in order to restore you to that first divine inbreathing at creation. See the blows on my cheeks, which I accepted in order to refashion your distorted form to my own image.

‘See the scourging of my back, which I accepted in order to disperse the load of your sins which was laid upon your back. See my hands nailed to the tree for a good purpose, for you, who stretched out your hand to the tree for an evil one.

`I slept on the cross and a sword pierced my side, for you, who slept in paradise and brought forth Eve from your side. My side healed the pain of your side; my sleep will release you from your sleep in Hades; my sword has checked the sword which was turned against you.

‘But arise, let us go hence. The enemy brought you out of the land of paradise; I will reinstate you, no longer in paradise, but on the throne of heaven. I denied you the tree of life, which was a figure, but now I myself am united to you, I who am life. I posted the cherubim to guard you as they would slaves; now I make the cherubim worship you as they would God.

“The cherubim throne has been prepared, the bearers are ready and waiting, the bridal chamber is in order, the food is provided, the everlasting houses and rooms are in readiness; the treasures of good things have been opened; the kingdom of heaven has been prepared before the ages.”

Source: Ancient Homily for Holy Saturday: PG 43, 440A, 452C: LH, Holy Saturday, OR.

Source approved by the Vatican of the Roman Catholic Church.