Reagan and Bush responsible for 90% of National Debt

BaronVonBigmeat · Jul 4, 2008

Well the republicans do bear some responsibility; after all they controlled congress from 1994-2006. During Clinton's last two years in office, they actually spent more than he requested. Then for six years they tag-teamed with Bush, who isn't exactly Grover Cleveland 2.0 when it comes to vetoes.

RetiredGySgt · Jul 4, 2008

BaronVonBigmeat said:
Well the republicans do bear some responsibility; after all they controlled congress from 1994-2006. During Clinton's last two years in office, they actually spent more than he requested. Then for six years they tag-teamed with Bush, who isn't exactly Grover Cleveland 2.0 when it comes to vetoes.

You might want to check your facts the last 4 years 96 to 2000 of Clinton's Term saw surplus not deficit, though that is not really true, what it say was surplus in the GROWTH of the deficit. We never actually paid it off. And that surplus was because of a Republican Congress.

Chris · Jul 4, 2008

RetiredGySgt said:
Once again you dumb shit the Democratic Congress created the deficit. Not a single Budget Reagan presented was passed, the Democrats laid in Billions more on every one.

Who signed the budget into law?

JimH52 · Jul 4, 2008

Kirk said:
Yes. The same thing happened in Virginia where I live. The Republican governor cut taxes and created a $1 billion dollar deficit. Mark Warner was elected governor, and he balanced the budget and became the most popular governor in Virginia's history. Now he will be elected to the Senate in November.

The funny thing is that the Republicans used to be the party of fiscal responsibility, and they have abandoned their principles for tax cut and spend.

Until gw bush, the United States had NEVER passed a tax cut while at war. It was understood as an act of economic suicide. gw did it and now we are paying for it. The dollar is garbage and soon we will be paying $5 for a gallon of gas. Little does he care. He will be retired in Texas on his front porch telling war stories about his war.

jreeves · Jul 4, 2008

Kirk said:
"Your an idiot you know that right?"

Maybe so, but I know the difference between "you're" and "your."

Good at least your aware of it.

jreeves · Jul 4, 2008

JimH52 said:
Until gw bush, the United States had NEVER passed a tax cut while at war. It was understood as an act of economic suicide. gw did it and now we are paying for it. The dollar is garbage and soon we will be paying $5 for a gallon of gas. Little does he care. He will be retired in Texas on his front porch telling war stories about his war.

FOXNews.com - Federal Budget Grows Massively Under Bush - Politics | Republican Party | Democratic Party | Political Spectrum
In the three years since Bush took office, discretionary spending money that is not tied to long-term entitlements, including defense, domestic security, education and transportation has grown by 31.5 percent. Non-discretionary spending mandatory programs such as Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid has reached record highs.

New spending has gone up by $296 billion from 2001 through the 2003 budget year. Of that, 34 percent, or $100 billion, has gone to defense. The cost of homeland security, clearing the wreckage of the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks and money for victims and international assistance and security, has totaled 11 percent of new spending, or about $32 billion. Fifty-five percent, or $164 billion in new spending, is unrelated to national security, going to such programs as unemployment benefits, education, and healthcare, Riedl said.

I agree Bush is no fiscal conservative, he should have cut deeply into social programs and pushed for entitlement reform.

Charles_Main · Jul 5, 2008

Kirk said:
I love how Republicans forget that Reagan cut taxes and increased defense spending by 20% and created a huge deficit.

Do you even know the difference between a deficit and Debt?

midcan5 · Jul 5, 2008

"Reagan never presided over what the GOP would have you believe was a modern golden age. Rather, a depression of some 18 months or more, the longest since the Great Depression, followed promptly on the heels of his tax cut of 1982. The results in black and white:

* Twenty percent of the population owns 84% of our private assets, leaving the other 80 percent of the population with 15.6 percent of the assets.
* In 1960, the wealth gap between the top 20 percent and the bottom 20 percent of Americans was thirty fold. Four decades later its more than seventy-five-fold.
* Either way -- wealth or income America is more unequal, economists generally agree, than at any time since the start of the Great Depression
* And more unequal than any other developed nation today."

Inequality

RetiredGySgt · Jul 5, 2008

midcan5 said:
"Reagan never presided over what the GOP would have you believe was a modern golden age. Rather, a depression of some 18 months or more, the longest since the Great Depression, followed promptly on the heels of his tax cut of 1982. The results in black and white:

* Twenty percent of the population owns 84% of our private assets, leaving the other 80 percent of the population with 15.6 percent of the assets.
* In 1960, the wealth gap between the top 20 percent and the bottom 20 percent of Americans was thirty fold. Four decades later its more than seventy-five-fold.
* Either way -- wealth or income America is more unequal, economists generally agree, than at any time since the start of the Great Depression
* And more unequal than any other developed nation today."

Inequality

You are a true idiot. Once again take your socialist garbage and pedal it some where where socialism is alive and well.

By the way how much money do you make? If you are keeping more than about 30k a year you are in fact a Hypocrite.

editec · Jul 5, 2008

BaronVonBigmeat said:
We've been over this before. Taxes are a lot more complicated than "welp, the rate was X%". There are deductions and loopholes and such. The bottom line is, "how much wealth does government suck from the economy?"--and of course, it was a considerably smaller percentage of the economy, back then.

Also, I don't know why you'd make 1933- as the starting date. Taxes were high, spending was high, and it did nothing to lift the economy out of depression. And choosing 1973 as the closing date is funny because it leaves out the stagflation of the 70's. The absurdly high tax rates on upper incomes didn't get cut until the 1980's.

And finally, you copy/pasted the John McCain quote here, again. Even though it has nothing to do with the topic. It's a statement that I agree with of course, but you yourself obviously don't believe in leaving people alone to live their lives, so...what gives?

FYI

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BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; WIDTH: 74pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=98 height=17>1934</TD><TD class=xl26 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: black 0.5pt solid; WIDTH: 56pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=74 x:num>61.2</TD><TD class=xl26 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: black 0.5pt solid; WIDTH: 56pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=74 x:num>4.8</TD><TD class=xl26 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: black 0.5pt solid; WIDTH: 56pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=74 x:num>10.7</TD><TD class=xl26 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: black 0.5pt solid; WIDTH: 56pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=74 x:num>-5.9</TD><TD class=xl26 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: black 0.5pt solid; WIDTH: 56pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=74 x:num>4.8</TD><TD class=xl26 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: black 0.5pt solid; WIDTH: 56pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=74 x:num>10.7</TD><TD class=xl26 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: black 0.5pt solid; WIDTH: 56pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=74 x:num>-5.9</TD><TD class=xl27 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: black 0.5pt solid; WIDTH: 56pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=74>..........</TD><TD class=xl27 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: black 0.5pt solid; WIDTH: 56pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=74>..........</TD><TD class=xl27 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: black 0.5pt solid; WIDTH: 56pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=74>..........</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl25 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; WIDTH: 74pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=98 height=17>1935</TD><TD class=xl26 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: black 0.5pt solid; WIDTH: 56pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=74 x:num>69.6</TD><TD class=xl26 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: black 0.5pt solid; WIDTH: 56pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=74 x:num>5.2</TD><TD class=xl26 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: black 0.5pt solid; WIDTH: 56pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=74 x:num>9.2</TD><TD class=xl26 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: black 0.5pt solid; WIDTH: 56pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=74 x:num>-4.0</TD><TD class=xl26 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: black 0.5pt solid; WIDTH: 56pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=74 x:num>5.2</TD><TD class=xl26 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: black 0.5pt solid; WIDTH: 56pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=74 x:num>9.2</TD><TD class=xl26 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: black 0.5pt solid; WIDTH: 56pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=74 x:num>-4.0</TD><TD class=xl27 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: black 0.5pt solid; WIDTH: 56pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=74>..........</TD><TD class=xl27 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: black 0.5pt solid; WIDTH: 56pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=74>..........</TD><TD class=xl27 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: black 0.5pt solid; WIDTH: 56pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=74>..........</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl25 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; WIDTH: 74pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=98 height=17>1936</TD><TD class=xl26 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: black 0.5pt solid; WIDTH: 56pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=74 x:num>78.5</TD><TD class=xl26 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: black 0.5pt solid; WIDTH: 56pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=74 x:num>5.0</TD><TD class=xl26 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: black 0.5pt solid; WIDTH: 56pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=74 x:num>10.5</TD><TD class=xl26 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: black 0.5pt solid; WIDTH: 56pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=74 x:num>-5.5</TD><TD class=xl26 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: black 0.5pt solid; WIDTH: 56pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=74 x:num>5.0</TD><TD class=xl26 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: black 0.5pt solid; WIDTH: 56pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=74 x:num>10.5</TD><TD class=xl26 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: black 0.5pt solid; WIDTH: 56pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=74 x:num>-5.5</TD><TD class=xl27 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: black 0.5pt solid; WIDTH: 56pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=74>..........</TD><TD class=xl27 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: black 0.5pt solid; WIDTH: 56pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=74>..........</TD><TD class=xl27 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: black 0.5pt solid; WIDTH: 56pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=74>..........</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl25 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; WIDTH: 74pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=98 height=17>1937</TD><TD class=xl26 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: black 0.5pt solid; WIDTH: 56pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=74 x:num>87.8</TD><TD class=xl26 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: black 0.5pt solid; WIDTH: 56pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=74 x:num>6.1</TD><TD class=xl26 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: black 0.5pt solid; WIDTH: 56pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=74 x:num>8.6</TD><TD class=xl26 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: black 0.5pt solid; WIDTH: 56pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=74 x:num>-2.5</TD><TD class=xl26 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: black 0.5pt solid; WIDTH: 56pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=74 x:num>5.8</TD><TD class=xl26 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: black 0.5pt solid; WIDTH: 56pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=74 x:num>8.6</TD><TD class=xl26 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: black 0.5pt solid; WIDTH: 56pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=74 x:num>-2.8</TD><TD class=xl26 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: black 0.5pt solid; WIDTH: 56pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=74 x:num="00.3">0.3</TD><TD class=xl27 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: black 0.5pt solid; WIDTH: 56pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=74>−*</TD><TD class=xl26 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: black 0.5pt solid; WIDTH: 56pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=74 x:num="00.3">0.3</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl25 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; WIDTH: 74pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=98 height=17>1938</TD><TD class=xl26 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: black 0.5pt solid; WIDTH: 56pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=74 x:num>89.0</TD><TD class=xl26 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: black 0.5pt solid; WIDTH: 56pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=74 x:num>7.6</TD><TD class=xl26 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: black 0.5pt solid; WIDTH: 56pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=74 x:num>7.7</TD><TD class=xl26 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: black 0.5pt solid; WIDTH: 56pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=74 x:num="-00.1">-0.1</TD><TD class=xl26 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: black 0.5pt solid; WIDTH: 56pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=74 x:num>7.2</TD><TD class=xl26 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: black 0.5pt solid; WIDTH: 56pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=74 x:num>7.7</TD><TD class=xl26 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: black 0.5pt solid; WIDTH: 56pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=74 x:num>-0.5</TD><TD class=xl26 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: black 0.5pt solid; WIDTH: 56pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=74 x:num="00.4">0.4</TD><TD class=xl27 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: black 0.5pt solid; WIDTH: 56pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=74>−*</TD><TD class=xl26 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: black 0.5pt solid; WIDTH: 56pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=74 x:num="00.4">0.4</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl25 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; WIDTH: 74pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=98 height=17>1939</TD><TD class=xl26 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: black 0.5pt solid; WIDTH: 56pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=74 x:num>89.1</TD><TD class=xl26 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: black 0.5pt solid; WIDTH: 56pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=74 x:num>7.1</TD><TD class=xl26 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: black 0.5pt solid; WIDTH: 56pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=74 x:num>10.3</TD><TD class=xl26 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: black 0.5pt solid; WIDTH: 56pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=74 x:num>-3.2</TD><TD class=xl26 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: black 0.5pt solid; WIDTH: 56pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=74 x:num>6.5</TD><TD class=xl26 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: black 0.5pt solid; WIDTH: 56pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=74 x:num>10.3</TD><TD class=xl26 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: black 0.5pt solid; WIDTH: 56pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=74 x:num>-3.8</TD><TD class=xl26 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: black 0.5pt solid; WIDTH: 56pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=74 x:num="00.6">0.6</TD><TD class=xl27 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: black 0.5pt solid; WIDTH: 56pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=74>−*</TD><TD class=xl26 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: black 0.5pt solid; WIDTH: 56pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=74 x:num="00.6">0.6</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl25 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; WIDTH: 74pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=98 height=17>1940</TD><TD class=xl26 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: black 0.5pt solid; WIDTH: 56pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=74 x:num>96.8</TD><TD class=xl26 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: black 0.5pt solid; WIDTH: 56pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=74 x:num>6.8</TD><TD class=xl26 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: black 0.5pt solid; WIDTH: 56pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=74 x:num>9.8</TD><TD class=xl26 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: black 0.5pt solid; WIDTH: 56pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=74 x:num>-3.0</TD><TD class=xl26 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: black 0.5pt solid; WIDTH: 56pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=74 x:num>6.2</TD><TD class=xl26 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: black 0.5pt solid; WIDTH: 56pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=74 x:num>9.8</TD><TD class=xl26 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: black 0.5pt solid; WIDTH: 56pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=74 x:num>-3.6</TD><TD class=xl26 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: black 0.5pt solid; WIDTH: 56pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=74 x:num="00.6">0.6</TD><TD class=xl27 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: black 0.5pt solid; WIDTH: 56pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=74>−*</TD><TD class=xl26 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: black 0.5pt solid; WIDTH: 56pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=74 x:num="00.6">0.6</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl25 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; WIDTH: 74pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=98 height=17>1941</TD><TD class=xl26 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: black 0.5pt solid; WIDTH: 56pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=74 x:num>114.1</TD><TD class=xl26 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: black 0.5pt solid; WIDTH: 56pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=74 x:num>7.6</TD><TD class=xl26 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: black 0.5pt solid; WIDTH: 56pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=74 x:num>12.0</TD><TD class=xl26 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: black 0.5pt solid; WIDTH: 56pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=74 x:num>-4.3</TD><TD class=xl26 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: black 0.5pt solid; WIDTH: 56pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=74 x:num>7.0</TD><TD class=xl26 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: black 0.5pt solid; WIDTH: 56pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=74 x:num>11.9</TD><TD class=xl26 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: black 0.5pt solid; WIDTH: 56pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=74 x:num>-4.9</TD><TD class=xl26 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: black 0.5pt solid; WIDTH: 56pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=74 x:num="00.6">0.6</TD><TD class=xl27 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: black 0.5pt solid; WIDTH: 56pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=74>*</TD><TD class=xl26 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: black 0.5pt solid; WIDTH: 56pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=74 x:num="00.6">0.6</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl25 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; WIDTH: 74pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=98 height=17>1942</TD><TD class=xl26 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: black 0.5pt solid; WIDTH: 56pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=74 x:num>144.3</TD><TD class=xl26 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: black 0.5pt solid; WIDTH: 56pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=74 x:num>10.1</TD><TD class=xl26 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: black 0.5pt solid; WIDTH: 56pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=74 x:num>24.3</TD><TD class=xl26 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: black 0.5pt solid; WIDTH: 56pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=74 x:num>-14.2</TD><TD class=xl26 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: black 0.5pt solid; 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I would hardly be the first person to suggest that the thing that ultimately borught us out of the depression was the MASSIVE GOVERNMENT SPENDING that it took to defeat the Hun and Nipponese threats.

Also, I don't know why you'd make 1933- as the starting date. Taxes were high, spending was high, and it did nothing to lift the economy out of depression. And choosing 1973 as the closing date is funny because it leaves out the stagflation of the 70's. The absurdly high tax rates on upper incomes didn't get cut until the 1980's.

Well....the "absurdly" high tax rates started getting cut by JFK, I think.

As I recall in the 50's the top rate of income taxes was about 90%.

As I recall the economy did pretty well in the 50's and took off in the 60's despite those high rates on the upper classes, and as I recall the upper classes still lived rather well.

There needs to be BALANCE between what the working classes take home and what the masters of our universe take home, I think, or inevitably the economy begins to falter.

As our economic system is a capitalist system we NEED weathy people to be sure. they are the ones who make capital formation possible.

But as a consumer economy, we NEED a working class that can pay its bills, put away money for their edcuational needs, health care needs, basic cost of living and retirements, too.

They are the people who actually produce the wealth that sustains us and gives their masters the money for future capital investments.

So...

Finding that balance, both in spending and in taxation, and finding that balance where we don't pit one class against the other is where we're having trouble.

RIGHT NOW, the problem is that the working classes are not making enough money to drive the economy even as SOME OF the upper classes are making so god damned much money they can't find anyplace to reinvest it... IN THIS COUNTRY.

This is NOT a formula for a strong America, folks.

this is a formula for driving the money offshore, while forcing governments to BORROW so that it can proform those services which it takes to run a post-modern industrial economy.

It takes a balance of money to keep that money flowing through thesystem such that every class gets what it needs, and sadly I think that the Reganites lost their sense of perspecitve when they decided to bamboozle the American people into thinking otherwise.

Toro · Jul 5, 2008

editec said:
As I recall in the 50's the top rate of income taxes was about 90%.

As I recall the economy did pretty well in the 50's and took off in the 60's despite those high rates on the upper classes, and as I recall the upper classes still lived rather well.

But nobody paid a 90% tax rate. There were so many loopholes and write-offs, the effective marginal rate was far lower.

editec · Jul 5, 2008

Toro said:
But nobody paid a 90% tax rate. There were so many loopholes and write-offs, the effective marginal rate was far lower.

True.

And the same argument can be made (with enormous documenting evidence to support that claim, I might add) that nobody with an accountant pays the 35% rate either.

We reduced the rates, but we did NOT eliminate the tax loopholes.

Care4all · Jul 5, 2008

Toro said:
But nobody paid a 90% tax rate. There were so many loopholes and write-offs, the effective marginal rate was far lower.

And no one that was in the 39%/now 36% top tax rate pays that either...Teressa heinz Kerry, a multi millionaire if not billionaire paid a rate of 19% in income taxes and Warren Buffet a Billionaire paid a rate of 18% with all of his write offs and tax shelters.... Warren Buffet says that he pays less as a percentage in taxes than his Secretary pays in taxes...???

Care

Chris · Jul 5, 2008

Care4all said:
And no one that was in the 39%/now 36% top tax rate pays that either...Teressa heinz Kerry, a multi millionaire if not billionaire paid a rate of 19% in income taxes and Warren Buffet a Billionaire paid a rate of 18% with all of his write offs and tax shelters.... Warren Buffet says that he pays less as a percentage in taxes than his Secretary pays in taxes...???

Care

That quote from Buffet really says it all. The rich need to be taxed heavily.

jreeves · Jul 5, 2008

Kirk said:
That quote from Buffet really says it all. The rich need to be taxed heavily.

Yet the top 50% pays 98% of the income taxes. Imagine that, straight from the IRS.....Where are all those tax loopholes?

editec · Jul 5, 2008

midcan5 said:
"Reagan never presided over what the GOP would have you believe was a modern golden age. Rather, a depression of some 18 months or more, the longest since the Great Depression, followed promptly on the heels of his tax cut of 1982. The results in black and white:

* Twenty percent of the population owns 84% of our private assets, leaving the other 80 percent of the population with 15.6 percent of the assets.
* In 1960, the wealth gap between the top 20 percent and the bottom 20 percent of Americans was thirty fold. Four decades later it’s more than seventy-five-fold.
* Either way -- wealth or income – America is more unequal, economists generally agree, than at any time since the start of the Great Depression…
* And more unequal than any other developed nation today."

Inequality

RetiredGySgt said:
You are a true idiot. Once again take your socialist garbage and pedal it some where where socialism is alive and well.

By the way how much money do you make? If you are keeping more than about 30k a year you are in fact a Hypocrite.

My God the level of anti-intellectual thinking you exhibit is astounding.

These damned statistics are facts, lad.

While you have been sucking the goverment's teats your whole adult life, the people who actually paid your salary are going broke.

Someone presents the stats which give us a picture of it happening, and your lame-assed response is that the messenger is a socialist?

It's astounding to see such sheer unbridled, hateful, ignorance and indifference for the plight of the citizens of this nation coming out of the mouth of someone who no doubt thinks he's a patriot.

What sheer ingratitude.

Charles_Main · Jul 5, 2008

Keep blaming Reagan all you want, the fact is Congress holds the purse strings, not the president, therefore The Buck stops with Congress, and under Reagan it was Democrats passing the spending bills, Reagan just signed them.

jreeves · Jul 5, 2008

editec said:
My God the level of anti-intellectual thinking you exhibit is astounding.

These damned statistics are facts, lad.

While you have been sucking the goverment's teats your whole adult life, the people who actually paid your salary are going broke.

Someone presents the stats which give us a picture of it happening, and your lame-assed response is that the messenger is a socialist?

It's astounding to see such sheer unbridled, hateful, ignorance and indifference for the plight of the citizens of this nation coming out of the mouth of someone who no doubt thinks he's a patriot.

What sheer ingratitude.

Since the 1960s, we (the same we Obama speaks of) have spent $11 trillion fighting the war on poverty. That's the total for government spending. That does not include the millions and millions and millions of dollars and hours of donated time that the private and non profit sector have invested towards helping the poor.
Now, a country that invests that kind of money and time in a 40 year battle isn't just letting something happen. The efforts might not be successful, but at least there are efforts.

Perhaps the reason our efforts to end poverty are not successful because we don't have everyone at the table. We have the government sitting there with a big old checkbook. We have private and non profit groups eager to make life better. What we don't have is a committed effort on the part of those the war on poverty aims to save.
Why? Well, a lot of those people don't know they are poor. Counted among the statistics of those living in poverty are people who are doing just fine. They have jobs, homes, families and while money might be tight, they are living a good life. In fact, they would probably be awfully insulted if someone told them they were poor. I don't blame them.
They certainly don't qualify for any programs, but they still get the label.

But, the federal government has a poverty index and it defines how much money a family of one, two, three, etc. should be making. So many people who don't even know it are being labeled as living in poverty.

Then, we have people who have learned to live off the system and to have quite a comfortable lifestyle doing so. They certainly aren't going to bring effort to the table. They don't need to.

Maybe we need to toss the poverty index out the window. Maybe we need to toss everything out the window and instead of trying to solve poverty on a national level, get back to the community level. Rules made in Washington by people who think money solves everything aren't ever going to work.

Unfortunately, I don't think we'll ever live in a country where personal responsibility is the norm. It was until we began the war on poverty. Now, for some, being dependent is much more lucrative.

How could we let this happen? I don't know, but I certainly don't think voters are the one to ask that question. I don't think voters created the problem, at least not the tax paying ones.

Obama asked the wrong question to the wrong people. He should ask, "How do we stop this?" Until politicians no longer benefit from people being labeled poor, nothing will change.
http://www.earlycountynews.com/news/2007/0725/editorial/049.html
11 trillion dollars and the poverty rate has risen, doesn't that teach anyone a lesson? You can't throw money at a problem and have it disappear.

maineman · Jul 5, 2008

unless you can prove that poverty would have been WORSE had we not spent that money - and clearly, you cannot - your point is moot.

jreeves · Jul 5, 2008

maineman said:
unless you can prove that poverty would have been WORSE had we not spent that money - and clearly, you cannot - your point is moot.

midcan 5 did for me.....

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