Rape, incest and pregnancy

[Avatar4321]

Some wise man once said that if a man could become pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament.

Wisdom is more than rhetoric.

 

[DiveCon]

Forcing a child to abort to cover up the crime of the father is messed up too.

No one mentioned forcing the child to abort.

go back and read again, several in this thread HAVE said just that

 

[syrenn]

Forcing a child to abort to cover up the crime of the father is messed up too.

No one mentioned forcing the child to abort.

go back and read again, several in this thread HAVE said just that

According to angle "god has a plan"

 

[DiveCon]

No one mentioned forcing the child to abort.

go back and read again, several in this thread HAVE said just that

According to angle "god has a plan"

so?
it is her belief
are you now wanting to remove that right from her?

 

[JScott]

This is a sort of triple hitter....

If a child is raped by her father and gets pregnant, should she be forced to have that child? This question was asked to Sharon Angle, republican from Nevada and this woman said the no to an abortion.

I know people are pro choice and pro lifers, but most people agree, if a child is raped, especially by a family member, abortion is warranted. At least I think most people agree with this.

Sharron Angle Opposes Abortion Even With Rape, Incest: 'God Has A Plan' (AUDIO) - Politics

Angle is the perfect example of caring for the fetus and not caring for the child. What is supposed to happen to that raped child during the pregnancy. She will constantly be reminded of being raped by her father, and then have the infant. What the hell is supposed to happen to the infant after birth by the way.

Angle is a horrible human being.

Ill live my life and let her live hers.

 

[The Rabbi]

I have not answered because this is not a thread about abortion. It is about a politician advocating pro life as "gods will"

I am pro choice.

I personally do not believe a "fetus" has "life" or is "alive" until it can be just that, a viable human on its own.

Skirt, dissemble, change the subject.
Your view is the baby should be aborted because it is not "alive." Just say it. Never mind it has a brain and exhibits movement at some point and certainly has the potential to become a human, unlike say a spleen.
It is not a defensible view. It is punishing the unborn for the sins of the fathers (literally in this case).
Thanks for clearing that up. It certainly took long enough.

I have not changed the subject, you did. You wanted to know my views and opinions of abortion.

As I said, Cesarean section it out. That is a valid and successful from of birth. It is not an abortion in the sense that you destroy any tissue. Again if it lives it has life. If god has a "plan" then it should live...or die according to that plan.

Actually you volunteered your view and I am asking questions about it. Questions which you can't or won't answer.
G-d may have a plan but that doesn't make it OK for me to take a gun and shoot you, saying if you live then its god's plan and if you die then its god's plan too.

 

[strollingbones]

why should the 10 yr old pay for the sins of the father? what doctor is going to say its physically or mentally heathly for a 10 yr old to have a child?

 

[strollingbones]

snopes.com: Youngest Mother

 

[The Rabbi]

why should the 10 yr old pay for the sins of the father? what doctor is going to say its physically or mentally heathly for a 10 yr old to have a child?

Hell of a lot better than what the unborn child is going to get.

 

[strollingbones]

now you are avoiding the question...what do you think the physical and mental impact on a 10 yr is to go thru a full term delivery?

 

[The Rabbi]

now you are avoiding the question...what do you think the physical and mental impact on a 10 yr is to go thru a full term delivery?

Horrible. No one pretends this is an easy call. But if we hold life to be sacred then we sacrifice some shorter term inconvenience and pain for life.

 

[strollingbones]

horrible? would you say this experience of forced birth...call it what it is....will destroy the 10 yr old mentally?

 

[The Rabbi]

horrible? would you say this experience of forced birth...call it what it is....will destroy the 10 yr old mentally?

No, probably not. It will certainly destroy the infant physically.

 

[strollingbones]

so you expect a 10 yr to endure the following: rape, incest, forced birth, giving the child up (?)...you really expect this of a 10 yr old?

 

[HUGGY]

Let's ship the little tyke over to Afgahnistan and put er on point! Then when she gets blowed up it's all good.

Cuz that's how we roll..... Life here is worth something? ..there ..not so much..

 

[The Rabbi]

so you expect a 10 yr to endure the following: rape, incest, forced birth, giving the child up (?)...you really expect this of a 10 yr old?

Killing people so others can have a more pleasant convenient life should be odious to any thinking person.
Which is why it isn't to you.

 

[syrenn]

go back and read again, several in this thread HAVE said just that

According to angle "god has a plan"

so?
it is her belief
are you now wanting to remove that right from her?

No i do not want to remove her opinion. As politician she has no business inserting her religious beliefs on anyone if she is in a position to make laws

How about this try inserting the word allah in the slot where god is and see how it goes over. Try inserting buddha i the slot where god is and see how that goes over.

 

[DiveCon]

According to angle "god has a plan"

so?
it is her belief
are you now wanting to remove that right from her?

No i do not want to remove her opinion. As politician she has no business inserting her religious beliefs on anyone if she is in a position to make laws

How about this try inserting the word allah in the slot where god is and see how it goes over. Try inserting buddha i the slot where god is and see how that goes over.

if someone was a Muslim and said that while running for office, i'd have no more of an issue with them than i do with her
same for a Buddhist

 

[strollingbones]

so rabbi..what if the choice is the life of the mother or abortion.....since you now feel any intellecual l person would take your stance...which i do not believe.

 

[The Rabbi]

so rabbi..what if the choice is the life of the mother or abortion.....since you now feel any intellicual person would take your stance...which i do not believe.

That isn't the choice here. No one is saying the mother's life is in danger.
Nice straw man though.