Rape, incest and pregnancy

[syrenn]

Nothing. She did nothing. The father is a criminal and deserves harsh punishment.
Back to my question: What did the child do to deserve death by abortion?

How about "Gods plan" of free will, and free will includes abortion.

Skirting the question.
I ask for the third time: What did the unborn child do to deserve death by abortion?

I am not skirting the question at all. If it is all "gods will" then its gods will and not politicians to enforce what they think gods will is.

I have said before in many threads. Cesarean section it out and hand it to whom ever wants it. See if it has life. That is "gods will" too.

 

[HUGGY]

Nothing. She did nothing. The father is a criminal and deserves harsh punishment.
Back to my question: What did the child do to deserve death by abortion?

How about "Gods plan" of free will, and free will includes abortion.

Skirting the question.
I ask for the third time: What did the unborn child do to deserve death by abortion?

So you are pushing the debate into the rediculous? How old is the pregnant child again?
How far along is the pregnancy? You cannot save every fetus. Just stop the pregnancy as early as possible and put ALL of the blame on the father or brother or whoever in the family that CAUSED the tragedy. If some one allowed the pregnancy to go to third term on say a 10 or 11 year old .....like her mother..then mommie goes to prison also. If the child HAS to have the baby then everyone that forced it should be convicted of gross child abuse and sent up the river.

 

[syrenn]

Why is she a horrible human being? Because she has a viewpoint you disagree with? Did she try to say you are a horrible human being because you believe it is OK to kill children? I think the fact that you think she is not entitled to an opinion makes you much more of a horrible human being than she is for being personally opposed to abortion.

How about because its not her opinion but "god has a plans" opinions?

just saying

It is still her opinion.

Agreed it is her opinion, so long as she doesnt not try and force "her opinion" of "gods will" onto others.

 

[syrenn]

How about "Gods plan" of free will, and free will includes abortion.

Skirting the question.
I ask for the third time: What did the unborn child do to deserve death by abortion?

So you are pushing the debate into the rediculous? How old is the pregnant child again?
How far along is the pregnancy? You cannot save every fetus. Just stop the pregnancy as early as possible and put ALL of the blame on the father or brother or whoever in the family that CAUSED the tragedy. If some one allowed the pregnancy to go to third term on say a 10 or 11 year old .....like her mother..then mommie goes to prison also. If the child HAS to have the baby then everyone that forced it should be convicted of gross child abuse and sent up the river.

Agreed. Stop the pregnancy and punish all involved. Where are we misunderstanding each other?

 

[The Rabbi]

How about "Gods plan" of free will, and free will includes abortion.

Skirting the question.
I ask for the third time: What did the unborn child do to deserve death by abortion?

I am not skirting the question at all. If it is all "gods will" then its gods will and not politicians to enforce what they think gods will is.

I have said before in many threads. Cesarean section it out and hand it to whom ever wants it. See if it has life. That is "gods will" too.

Of course you are skirting the question. You stated the belief that the child should be aborted. I ask what the child did to deserve death and 3 times you give a non answer.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

What did the child do to deserve being raped by the father? And what gets angle off the hook for not adopting a child she is advocating coming into this world?

Nothing. She did nothing. The father is a criminal and deserves harsh punishment.
Back to my question: What did the child do to deserve death by abortion?

How about "Gods plan" of free will, and free will includes abortion.

Free will also means she can have her own opinion.

As I said earlier, to most Christians God has a plan means the same thing it does when a parent says it, they have a plan for their children to succeed. This does not mean that people do not have free will, it just means that God has hopes and dreams he wants us to fulfill. Why is that a bad thing?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

What did the child do to deserve being raped by the father? And what gets angle off the hook for not adopting a child she is advocating coming into this world?

Did she refuse to adopt this hypothetical child?

Has she said she will adopt the hypothetical child if the raped girl decides to have it? How many adopted children does angel have now?

I am not the one who made the demand that she adopt someone, and then condemned her for not doing so. That puts the burden of proof on you.

 

[syrenn]

Skirting the question.
I ask for the third time: What did the unborn child do to deserve death by abortion?

I am not skirting the question at all. If it is all "gods will" then its gods will and not politicians to enforce what they think gods will is.

I have said before in many threads. Cesarean section it out and hand it to whom ever wants it. See if it has life. That is "gods will" too.

Of course you are skirting the question. You stated the belief that the child should be aborted. I ask what the child did to deserve death and 3 times you give a non answer.

I have not answered because this is not a thread about abortion. It is about a politician advocating pro life as "gods will"

I am pro choice.

I personally do not believe a "fetus" has "life" or is "alive" until it can be just that, a viable human on its own.

 

[syrenn]

Did she refuse to adopt this hypothetical child?

Has she said she will adopt the hypothetical child if the raped girl decides to have it? How many adopted children does angel have now?

I am not the one who made the demand that she adopt someone, and then condemned her for not doing so. That puts the burden of proof on you.

I did not demand that she adopt it. It makes her a hypocrite to advocate forced birth and then do nothing to care for them.

 

[Jeremy]

Ahh shit. I knew this issue would come up sooner than later. As a "newbie" I suppose I better unzip my fly and come out in the open with my opinion on this highly contriversal issue. Personally, I dream of the day when abortion is no longer needed in society. But that day is no where near to being close. Until than, abortion should be left to the states to decide. And if a state decides it to be legal, I would personally prefer that it is only legal in the case of rape, incest or if the life/health of the mother or baby is endangered. I find near-birth abortions to be personally repugnant. And I view women that use abortion as an "every day" form of regular birth control to be disgusting. Morning after pills are ok. Having an abortion in the third trimester because it's going to interfere with your rockin party lifestyle... you should have your uterus removed. Just my opinion of course. But not being a woman, i'm not sure how much my opinion really matters on this issue.

I suppose you can tell I'm not a Catholic.

 

[Political Junky]

Nothing. She did nothing. The father is a criminal and deserves harsh punishment.
Back to my question: What did the child do to deserve death by abortion?

How about "Gods plan" of free will, and free will includes abortion.

Skirting the question.
I ask for the third time: What did the unborn child do to deserve death by abortion?

Some wise man once said that if a man could become pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

How about because its not her opinion but "god has a plans" opinions?

just saying

It is still her opinion.

Agreed it is her opinion, so long as she doesnt not try and force "her opinion" of "gods will" onto others.

Where has she said she would do that? She was asked an opinion about her personal opinion, and she gave it. You are reacting to something that may not happen.

 

[RadiomanATL]

Rape, incest and pregnancy

What is an Alabama Friday night Alex?

 

[syrenn]

Nothing. She did nothing. The father is a criminal and deserves harsh punishment.
Back to my question: What did the child do to deserve death by abortion?

How about "Gods plan" of free will, and free will includes abortion.

Free will also means she can have her own opinion.

As I said earlier, to most Christians God has a plan means the same thing it does when a parent says it, they have a plan for their children to succeed. This does not mean that people do not have free will, it just means that God has hopes and dreams he wants us to fulfill. Why is that a bad thing?

I never said it was a bad thing. If "god has a plan" then he must have anticipated abortion as part of his hopes and dreams. Right along with rape and incest and pedophilia

 

[The Rabbi]

I am not skirting the question at all. If it is all "gods will" then its gods will and not politicians to enforce what they think gods will is.

I have said before in many threads. Cesarean section it out and hand it to whom ever wants it. See if it has life. That is "gods will" too.

Of course you are skirting the question. You stated the belief that the child should be aborted. I ask what the child did to deserve death and 3 times you give a non answer.

I have not answered because this is not a thread about abortion. It is about a politician advocating pro life as "gods will"

I am pro choice.

I personally do not believe a "fetus" has "life" or is "alive" until it can be just that, a viable human on its own.

Skirt, dissemble, change the subject.
Your view is the baby should be aborted because it is not "alive." Just say it. Never mind it has a brain and exhibits movement at some point and certainly has the potential to become a human, unlike say a spleen.
It is not a defensible view. It is punishing the unborn for the sins of the fathers (literally in this case).
Thanks for clearing that up. It certainly took long enough.

 

[syrenn]

Of course you are skirting the question. You stated the belief that the child should be aborted. I ask what the child did to deserve death and 3 times you give a non answer.

I have not answered because this is not a thread about abortion. It is about a politician advocating pro life as "gods will"

I am pro choice.

I personally do not believe a "fetus" has "life" or is "alive" until it can be just that, a viable human on its own.

Skirt, dissemble, change the subject.
Your view is the baby should be aborted because it is not "alive." Just say it. Never mind it has a brain and exhibits movement at some point and certainly has the potential to become a human, unlike say a spleen.
It is not a defensible view. It is punishing the unborn for the sins of the fathers (literally in this case).
Thanks for clearing that up. It certainly took long enough.

I have not changed the subject, you did. You wanted to know my views and opinions of abortion.

As I said, Cesarean section it out. That is a valid and successful from of birth. It is not an abortion in the sense that you destroy any tissue. Again if it lives it has life. If god has a "plan" then it should live...or die according to that plan.

 

[Avatar4321]

This is a sort of triple hitter....

If a child is raped by her father and gets pregnant, should she be forced to have that child? This question was asked to Sharon Angle, republican from Nevada and this woman said the no to an abortion.

I know people are pro choice and pro lifers, but most people agree, if a child is raped, especially by a family member, abortion is warranted. At least I think most people agree with this.

Sharron Angle Opposes Abortion Even With Rape, Incest: 'God Has A Plan' (AUDIO) - Politics

Angle is the perfect example of caring for the fetus and not caring for the child. What is supposed to happen to that raped child during the pregnancy. She will constantly be reminded of being raped by her father, and then have the infant. What the hell is supposed to happen to the infant after birth by the way.

Angle is a horrible human being.

Don't rape your kids and we won't have to worry about the hypothetical.

Using abortion to cover one's sins is wrong. Forcing a child to abort to cover up the crime of the father is messed up too.

 

[Father Time]

how many threads do we need on this?

Thank you for the response. Insightful, thoughtful, diversionary, typical.

Dude seriously, I'm pro-choice and even I think posting old news like this is annoying. If you really wanted to further the discussion you could've just bumped the old thread.

 

[Father Time]

Of course you are skirting the question. You stated the belief that the child should be aborted. I ask what the child did to deserve death and 3 times you give a non answer.

I have not answered because this is not a thread about abortion. It is about a politician advocating pro life as "gods will"

I am pro choice.

I personally do not believe a "fetus" has "life" or is "alive" until it can be just that, a viable human on its own.

Skirt, dissemble, change the subject.
Your view is the baby should be aborted because it is not "alive." Just say it. Never mind it has a brain and exhibits movement at some point and certainly has the potential to become a human, unlike say a spleen.
It is not a defensible view. It is punishing the unborn for the sins of the fathers (literally in this case).
Thanks for clearing that up. It certainly took long enough.

It also has the potential to die in the womb or at birth on its own.

That's why we should judge it based on what it actually is instead of what it may be.

 

[Father Time]

Forcing a child to abort to cover up the crime of the father is messed up too.

No one mentioned forcing the child to abort.