Rape, incest and pregnancy

[G.T.]

Says the man who wants to kill innocents and considers it "collateral damage."

I don't consider it a human at that point, you sick ****.

And keep on twisting my words I may as well do it to you: Rabbies is pro Rape.

When you have something other than spin and insults, get back to me. I won't be holding my breath.

You've done nothing but obfuscate and/or misread anything anyone's said to you, and so I can understand your feeling of discontent with the way the conversation is going, mayte.

 

[The Rabbi]

I don't consider it a human at that point, you sick ****.

And keep on twisting my words I may as well do it to you: Rabbies is pro Rape.

When you have something other than spin and insults, get back to me. I won't be holding my breath.

You've done nothing but obfuscate and/or misread anything anyone's said to you, and so I can understand your feeling of discontent with the way the conversation is going, mayte.

No, actually I've been very clear in my position. I've also been very clear as to what your position is: You want to kill innocent children because a) they aren't really children, and b) if they are really children then they are just collateral damage.
I realize that's embarassing (or shoudl be anyway) and you probably don't think of yourlself as a morally flawed monster. Thus the desire to deflect and call me names.
But there you have it.
Again, when you come up with a cogent argument that doesnt involve distortion or name calling get back to me.

 

[G.T.]

When you have something other than spin and insults, get back to me. I won't be holding my breath.

You've done nothing but obfuscate and/or misread anything anyone's said to you, and so I can understand your feeling of discontent with the way the conversation is going, mayte.

No, actually I've been very clear in my position. I've also been very clear as to what your position is: You want to kill innocent children because a) they aren't really children, and b) if they are really children then they are just collateral damage.
I realize that's embarassing (or shoudl be anyway) and you probably don't think of yourlself as a morally flawed monster. Thus the desire to deflect and call me names.
But there you have it.
Again, when you come up with a cogent argument that doesnt involve distortion or name calling get back to me.

There again you obfuscate. In part B, it suddenly becomes a child? No, no it doesn't. I don't consider cellular goo children and I don't have the same emotional attachment to them as I would a child.

Late term's a different issue for me, but I doubt someone looking to abort due to rape would be waiting that long.

And C: I have the law. Kiss my ass.



This is such a "so be it" for me.

If a dude wants to commit the most heinous act possible against a Female, and she decides to destroy the cells that scumbag spat into her forcefully, than so be it.

The onset of the rape is what caused the chain of events. It's not the woman's fault, and the onus is not on her for what happens to the scumbags cells.

 

[The Rabbi]

I explained your position and you repeated it almost verbatim. How did I obfuscate anything?
And as I mentioned, demeaning human life as sub human is the favored tactic of totalitarians and mass murderers of all ages. Whether it is Jews as rats and vermin or unborn children as piles of cells, it is the same thing. Just makes it easier for people to do their dirty work.

 

[G.T.]

I explained your position and you repeated it almost verbatim. How did I obfuscate anything?
And as I mentioned, demeaning human life as sub human is the favored tactic of totalitarians and mass murderers of all ages. Whether it is Jews as rats and vermin or unborn children as piles of cells, it is the same thing. Just makes it easier for people to do their dirty work.

Dude, just stop.

Here's your obfuscation:

you said: b) if they are really children then they are just collateral damage.

I said: "I don't consider them a child"

So your first clause in part B is an obfuscation.



And this is the nature of the beast: The rapist caused the rock and the hard place. It would be inhumane to make the Raped Woman carry that disgusting man's biology inside of her, and consistently remind her that the most heinous act possible happened to her, changing her for life.

It's also inhumane to kill a child.

Since I don't consider it a child:

I choose destroying that which never even knew it existed, rather than furthering the destruction of the life of the poor Rape victim who was brutalized in such a way that it's beyond comprehension for most empathetic human beings.



If that's barbaric, hey, I fit right in with my fellow human beings and their laws, and who are you to judge? A random smug internet screen name who can't even have a forthright conversation without twisting people's words and being cordial.

So, to you, I'll continue to be a party of **** you, and have a nice day.



And really, go adopt a ******* baby manifest from a Rape........and put your actions where your mouth is like a man, if you feel so strongly.

 

[Zona]

Under what circumstances do we say "this one time it's OK to kill innocent people"?

Why wont you answer the question Rabbi...

1. If a child is raped by her father, should she be allowed to have an abortion?
2. Same question but it is found that if the child brings the infant to full term, it would kill that child. Could that child then have the abortion?

RABBI, WHY WONT YOU ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS?

I have answered this question numerous times.
1) No
2) Totally theoretical, not relevant to this thread. If that is the situation then please post evidence thereof.

Well, two things.

1. You are a sick, demented cold son of a *****. You would make that child who was raped by her father, have that child. YOu are a sick son of a *****.

2. You refuse to answer the question, if that child's life were in jeopardy for carrying that infant to term, should she get an abortion?

Its so classic, you care more about the fetus than the child. How many of these babies have you adopted?

You are a sick son of a ***** and I dont think I have ever seen someone say, rape and incest is still not a reason for abortion. You sick bastard.

 

[Zona]

I explained your position and you repeated it almost verbatim. How did I obfuscate anything?
And as I mentioned, demeaning human life as sub human is the favored tactic of totalitarians and mass murderers of all ages. Whether it is Jews as rats and vermin or unborn children as piles of cells, it is the same thing. Just makes it easier for people to do their dirty work.

So to make it clear....you said even if a child is raped by her father...RAPED BY HER FATHER...she should be forced to have that child.


Is anyone backing up Rabbi on this one or is the only far far right extremist on this board.

Rabbi, you are sick. You could care less about the victim here..remember her, the child who was raped by her father!

Sick man. You are as bad as Angle.

Oh and you wont answer the question: If that child's life were in jeopardy, should she still be forced to have that infant? I know you skirted this once by saying this is not relevant to this thread, SO ITS A QUESTION TO YOU DIRECTLY.

I respect pro lifers and pro choice people, but even the pro lifers say differently than you do RABBI. You are an extremist RABBI.

 

[The Rabbi]

I explained your position and you repeated it almost verbatim. How did I obfuscate anything?
And as I mentioned, demeaning human life as sub human is the favored tactic of totalitarians and mass murderers of all ages. Whether it is Jews as rats and vermin or unborn children as piles of cells, it is the same thing. Just makes it easier for people to do their dirty work.

So to make it clear....you said even if a child is raped by her father...RAPED BY HER FATHER...she should be forced to have that child.


Is anyone backing up Rabbi on this one or is the only far far right extremist on this board.

Rabbi, you are sick. You could care less about the victim here..remember her, the child who was raped by her father!

Sick man. You are as bad as Angle.

Oh and you wont answer the question: If that child's life were in jeopardy, should she still be forced to have that infant? I know you skirted this once by saying this is not relevant to this thread, SO ITS A QUESTION TO YOU DIRECTLY.

I respect pro lifers and pro choice people, but even the pro lifers say differently than you do RABBI. You are an extremist RABBI.

You keep repeating the same thing, like it gives you more credibility. It does not. It makes you look like the raving madman you are.
DOes "human life is sacred" mean anything to you? If it does, then surely it must include unborn children. Making unborn children die for convenience is mad, cruel,and inhuman.
You have made zero arguments that are worth a shit. And I dont just mean on this thread.

 

[Cuyo]

Why is she a horrible human being? Because she has a viewpoint you disagree with? Did she try to say you are a horrible human being because you believe it is OK to kill children? I think the fact that you think she is not entitled to an opinion makes you much more of a horrible human being than she is for being personally opposed to abortion.

How about because its not her opinion but "god has a plans" opinions?

just saying

I don't like it when anyone claims to have God's direct extension. If there is a God or Gods, I doubt he, she, or they are spending much time speaking to Sharron Angle about specific abortion scenarios.

 

[Zona]

I explained your position and you repeated it almost verbatim. How did I obfuscate anything?
And as I mentioned, demeaning human life as sub human is the favored tactic of totalitarians and mass murderers of all ages. Whether it is Jews as rats and vermin or unborn children as piles of cells, it is the same thing. Just makes it easier for people to do their dirty work.

So to make it clear....you said even if a child is raped by her father...RAPED BY HER FATHER...she should be forced to have that child.


Is anyone backing up Rabbi on this one or is the only far far right extremist on this board.

Rabbi, you are sick. You could care less about the victim here..remember her, the child who was raped by her father!

Sick man. You are as bad as Angle.

Oh and you wont answer the question: If that child's life were in jeopardy, should she still be forced to have that infant? I know you skirted this once by saying this is not relevant to this thread, SO ITS A QUESTION TO YOU DIRECTLY.

I respect pro lifers and pro choice people, but even the pro lifers say differently than you do RABBI. You are an extremist RABBI.

You keep repeating the same thing, like it gives you more credibility. It does not. It makes you look like the raving madman you are.
DOes "human life is sacred" mean anything to you? If it does, then surely it must include unborn children. Making unborn children die for convenience is mad, cruel,and inhuman.
You have made zero arguments that are worth a shit. And I dont just mean on this thread.

Since the life of the fetus is so important to you, why wont you address the question....if that child's life would be in jeopardy if she carried until birth, can she get an abortion then?

Why wont you adress this? Is that child's life less important to you than the fetus or is this too in your face a question.

No diversions, no nothing, just answer the question. Stay on point, just this once.

 

[The Rabbi]

I've answered this question at least twice. That's enough.
Why won't you answer the question as to why you're OK killing innocent babies just to make people feel good?

 

[mal]

2. You refuse to answer the question, if that child's life were in jeopardy for carrying that infant to term, should she get an abortion?

When has the Life of a Mother been in Jeopardy and an Abortion has Save the Mother's Life?...

When this Debate was Happening in Congress, it was ALL but Conceded that it has not happened.

So the "Health" of the Mother was the New Talking Point.

Mental Health... Convenience... You Know.

As for Killing... You seem REALLY Prepared to Take an Innoncent Babies Life and call those who have Concern for it "Sick".

Interesting.



peace...