Raise Taxes or Cut Waste?

[BluesLegend]

We should not be funding wasteful unnecessary wars like that ass wipe Bush got us into ...what a waste of trillions eh conservatives ....way to go ....

Apparently we have to remind you again how many Democrats voted for the Iraq war, eat it.

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

We should not be funding wasteful unnecessary wars like that ass wipe Bush got us into ...what a waste of trillions eh conservatives ....way to go ....

Apparently we have to remind you again how many Democrats voted for the Iraq war, eat it.

who is being quoted here :

"I am the Decider" ...who dat ?

 

[Roadrunner]

Raise taxes on the rich, tax college savings, raise gasoline taxes, and cut social programs? Or, cut the enormous waste that we all know should be cut? Or, should we do a combination of both? If your answer is to cut waste, what are the most obvious areas of waste that you would cut? If your answer is to raise taxes, what taxes would you increase? Or, what new taxes would you add? If your answer is to raise taxes, where would you use the new revenue? If your answer is to cut waste, where would you use the savings?

We need to reduce waste, that is a given, but, we also need to put the lower middle class back on the tax rosters.

We need a debt reduction surcharge too.

If people were actually feeling the debt, they might pay attention to who they elect and how their reps vote.

The debt proves that as a society, we are grossly undertaxed.

Far too many have no skin in the game.

 

[deltex1]

We could certainly reduce the cost of war. A couple of old nukes would replace feeding and supplying 100000 soldiers for 5 years.

 

[SwimExpert]

If we reduce all the big areas of government spending by 50% we could eliminate income taxes on the bottom 95% of people and end up with a budgetary surplus. Nobody likes admitting how much sense that makes.

 

[2aguy]

Lower taxes on everyone....and cut government jobs, and cut government spending....that will do the trick....

 

[alang1216]

Waste should be considered program money lost through incompetance or fraud and that is only a tiny percentage of the cost of government. What we should be talking about is the proper role of government. What should it be doing and what it should not be doing? If government should do something, which branch or level should be doing it? Once we decide what government should do we can then discuss how to pay for it. Talking about taxes first is putting the cart before the horse.

 

[PratchettFan]

We could certainly reduce the cost of war. A couple of old nukes would replace feeding and supplying 100000 soldiers for 5 years.

True. Just as putting a bullet in your head will drastically reduce your food budget. But the solution is a tad counter productive.

 

[Sonny Clark]

Raise taxes on the rich, tax college savings, raise gasoline taxes, and cut social programs? Or, cut the enormous waste that we all know should be cut? Or, should we do a combination of both? If your answer is to cut waste, what are the most obvious areas of waste that you would cut? If your answer is to raise taxes, what taxes would you increase? Or, what new taxes would you add? If your answer is to raise taxes, where would you use the new revenue? If your answer is to cut waste, where would you use the savings?

I think we can raise taxes while lowering them across the board just by removing all loopholes and deductions. It could be a flat tax or based upon income as we have today. Of course, that would mean a tax system which was simple and you immediately have both the lawyers and the accountants in opposition, not to mention large corporations who would actually have to start paying tax.

The problem with waste is that it really doesn't have much of an impact. People will get up in arms because of a miniscule grant to study squid but will defend monstrous waste in other areas. More than $8 billion in cash just disappeared in Iraq, and I don't mean misspent - I mean disappeared, and no one was held accountable, no congressional committee was formed to investigate, no uproar in the press. Major contractors will underbid projects with the feds and then pump of the cost through cost over runs and no one bats an eye.

Yes, I remember reading about all the money that went missing in Iraq. Yes, defense spending is favoritism, kick-backs, and wasteful beyond words. But, we have many other areas of obvious waste and abuse of tax dollars also. We could save untold multi-$Billions by cutting just the obvious waste.

What waste?

Building mosques on foreign soil, building the fence along our southern border, supplying weapons to drug lords and terrorists, foreign aid, luxury prisons, the care and support of illegal immigrants, subsidies, excessive government travel, senseless deadly costly wars, no-bid government contracts, etc. etc. etc. etc.

Interesting. You want to open up our borders but you don't want to have care and support for illegal immigrants. Do you see a contradiction there? Social security is a subsidy, as is money paid to states for education. Government travel is so small as to be inconsequential. I agree with you on wars, but where is the line? Foreign aid is a real benefit to us, especially if you don't want to get involved in costly wars. Luxury prisons? I'm not sure I follow that.

I think the point really is that there is little which someone is not going to see as essential.

I have never ever said, nor implied, that I want to open our borders, never. I have said many times that we should uphold our immigration laws to the letter. I have also said many times, that we should place everyone that hires, or gives any kind of help or assistance to illegal immigrants, in prison for life without the possibility of parole. Social Security is NOT a subsidy, by any stretch of the imagination. Social Security is money paid in by payroll deductions and employers. Money for education comes from property taxes and other taxes. We pay for education out f our pockets. I pay a school tax every single year through my property taxes. Government travel is included in the waste regardless of how small it is. The line on wars is to fight war as war, get it over and done with in a matter of days, and then come home. Foreign aid is "give-aways" to foreign governments. Very little of the foreign aid actually goes for the purposes and causes for which it is given. Africa I a great example of that. Prisons have gyms, computers, libraries, big screen TV's, basket ball courts, etc. etc. etc. Prison are confinement resorts.

 

[Roadrunner]

Lower taxes on everyone....and cut government jobs, and cut government spending....that will do the trick....

You cannot lower taxes on assholes that voted for those that put us in this debt.

That is the problem, everybody wants the spending, nobody wants to pay for it.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Raise Taxes or Cut Waste?

Both, and grow the economy.

 

[Sonny Clark]

Raise taxes on the rich, tax college savings, raise gasoline taxes, and cut social programs? Or, cut the enormous waste that we all know should be cut? Or, should we do a combination of both? If your answer is to cut waste, what are the most obvious areas of waste that you would cut? If your answer is to raise taxes, what taxes would you increase? Or, what new taxes would you add? If your answer is to raise taxes, where would you use the new revenue? If your answer is to cut waste, where would you use the savings?

We need to reduce waste, that is a given, but, we also need to put the lower middle class back on the tax rosters.

We need a debt reduction surcharge too.

If people were actually feeling the debt, they might pay attention to who they elect and how their reps vote.

The debt proves that as a society, we are grossly undertaxed.

Far too many have no skin in the game.

Everyone pays taxes. Everyone pays when they make a purchase. And, don't forget, car tags, property taxes, taxes added to phone bills and cable bills, etc. We all pay taxes. Not everyone pays payroll taxes because not everyone is employed.

 

[Sonny Clark]

Raise Taxes or Cut Waste?

Both, and grow the economy.

Lets "cut" first and then see where we are. Yes, we do need to grow the economy, but providing self-supporting opportunities that cover all education and skill levels will take care of that.

 

[2aguy]

Raise Taxes or Cut Waste?

Both, and grow the economy.

Tax increases crush an economy.....lower taxes on everyone, and everything, cut government jobs, government spending and start extracting more oil, coal, natural gas.....

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Raise Taxes or Cut Waste?

Both, and grow the economy.

Lets "cut" first and then see where we are. Yes, we do need to grow the economy, but providing self-supporting opportunities that cover all education and skill levels will take care of that.

Sure, list your cuts and how much? Start with the DOD, tons of fat in that. Don't start with Welfare since that isn't money.

 

[2aguy]

Raise Taxes or Cut Waste?

Both, and grow the economy.

Lets "cut" first and then see where we are. Yes, we do need to grow the economy, but providing self-supporting opportunities that cover all education and skill levels will take care of that.

Sure, list your cuts and how much? Start with the DOD, tons of fat in that. Don't start with Welfare since that isn't money.

Hmmmm...welfare isn't money.....how so?

 

[Sonny Clark]

Raise Taxes or Cut Waste?

Both, and grow the economy.

Tax increases crush an economy.....lower taxes on everyone, and everything, cut government jobs, government spending and start extracting more oil, coal, natural gas.....

Yep, we're taxed to death now. We're taxed on the same income several times over. Ridiculous, to say the least. Besides, the more taxes that the government collects, the more money the government gives away, steals, and waste.

 

[Sonny Clark]

Raise Taxes or Cut Waste?

Both, and grow the economy.

Lets "cut" first and then see where we are. Yes, we do need to grow the economy, but providing self-supporting opportunities that cover all education and skill levels will take care of that.

Sure, list your cuts and how much? Start with the DOD, tons of fat in that. Don't start with Welfare since that isn't money.

WASTE: The care and support of illegal immigrants, foreign aid, projects such as the fence along our southern border, senseless deadly costly wars, supplying weapons to drug lords and terrorists, building mosques on foreign soil, subsidies to Brazilian corn crops, no-bid government contracts, excessive military and defense spending, Medicare and Medicaid fraud, subsidies to rich farmers and big oil, exploring the far reaches of the universe, looking for water on the surface of Mars, bribes paid to North Korea and Iran, excessive government travel, lavish White House parties, lavish vacations for the president and his wife, pork spending, ridiculous perks and benefits given to members of Congress, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

We should not be funding wasteful unnecessary wars like that ass wipe Bush got us into ...what a waste of trillions eh conservatives ....way to go ....

Uhm, you do realize that it was actually the Democrats that voted like twice to go to war?

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Raise Taxes or Cut Waste?

Both, and grow the economy.

Lets "cut" first and then see where we are. Yes, we do need to grow the economy, but providing self-supporting opportunities that cover all education and skill levels will take care of that.

Sure, list your cuts and how much? Start with the DOD, tons of fat in that. Don't start with Welfare since that isn't money.

Hmmmm...welfare isn't money.....how so?

Do the math this time. You have 4,000 billions to play with. Try and find the real money first.