Race Differences in average IQ are Largely Genetic

[Peterf]

I suggest you investigate Lewontin's Fallacy as to why you are mistaken except in a trivial way.. .

I suggest you learn about the actual science involved instead of trying to affirm your preconceived notions.

Hey noodle-brain, if we are all the same, and genetic variation is so slight, why do we people look so vastly different among the major races? And why are certain groups (races) subject to higher instances of certain diseases and/or genetic mutations? All groups have certain strengths and weaknesses both physical and intellectual, but we are all basically the same?

Which is smarter? A Border Collie or a Black Lab? They must be the same, they're both dogs, right?

Not bad if you abandon the idea that there are 'major races'. For 'groups' read 'gene pools' NOT 'races'; collies and labs afford a good example of artificially created gene pools

 

[Peterf]

Do you think there is a lot of genetic separation between whites, east Indians and the peoples between them?

No. There is not much separation between any of the ethnicities genetically.

people who study such things disagree with you. The major split is between subsaharan blacks and the rest of the world but there are definitive differences all the way down, say between Koreans and Japanese.

Exactly! Which is why the concept of 'race' - and even sometimes 'major races' - is such nonsense.

 

[Unkotare]

There is greater genetic variation between breeds of dog than 'races' of man.

 

[RKMBrown]

Why are you talking to the banned guy?

Huh?
Because I'm entitled to respond to what he said to me!
And the issues in this debate are NOT just for two posters.
[It's understood] When one makes points/responses, one is making them to the Board and it's readers as well. Not to mention, the banned Can still read the response as well. He's banned not Dead.
He might even want a response!

Again, Empty juvenile Hostility.

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I'm gonna guess you fail miserably at rorschach tests.

 

[RKMBrown]

No. There is not much separation between any of the ethnicities genetically.

people who study such things disagree with you. The major split is between subsaharan blacks and the rest of the world but there are definitive differences all the way down, say between Koreans and Japanese.

Exactly! Which is why the concept of 'race' - and even sometimes 'major races' - is such nonsense.

Just as is claiming that people with bigger tools are smarter. This whole thread is nonsense.

 

[abu afak]

It is very clear that the OP's agenda is racist based. The fact is that those who are racist have been found to be the least educated and the lowest intelligence, so the very fact someone posts a thread like this indicates the level of their intelligence.

I think exactly who is intelligent, and who Not, has been amply demonstrated in this string, both by link quality and logic.
Indeed, You were Unable to quote and refute ANYTHING I said, preferring instead Trumpeted but non-responsive Insult, Diatribe, and other outa string means.

It is those cultures who value education most and which are small and homogeneous which score the highest on these tests. These are cultures which do not have large populations of poor, uneducated, disadvantaged people. They are cultures where, in fact, as it is in Japan, education is stressed to the point that young people take their own lives due to the amount of pressure they endure from the family's emphasis on success.

You're Unwittingly confusing Cause and effect.
WHY don't Japanese have large numbers of poor at home or abroad?
WHY do they value education?
Japan has almost No natural resources compared to sub-Saharan Africa or anywhere else.
Many/most Japanese and Chinese were brought here as indentured labor to build railroads and harvest sugar cane.
Japanese Americans were Interned and lost everything during WWII.
Japan was Nuked and lost most of it's manpower.
YET!
And you are trying for edu high ground?

Oh, and I always get a kick out of the 'its culture' .
As if they won it in a Lottery/luck of the draw, and it wasn't made By them Because they Were smart.

It is also a proven fact that education changes IQ scores. You take anyone who at 18 has not completed university study and test him/her on IQ. Do the same IQ test after four years of university, and it is higher. Do it after 6 years of university, and it is higher. Therefore, it is clear that education makes a difference. When you compare a culture where education is so dominant a force in its population that young people commit suicide due to the pressure of getting good grades and entering prestigious universities and a culture which does not place such a high value on academic study, it is clear that there is a huge potential for the former culture to get higher IQ scores. In essence, IQ scores are greatly meaningless and definitely not predicted by race.

IQ scores are definitely predictable by Race: 100 Years and counting.
And IQ Differential exists even in culturally equalized situations. Despite income equality they still exist. Despite intercontinental border, they Still exist.
Indeed, as the OP points out, they Still exist in the most culturally equalized situation possible: Trans-Racial adoption studies.
After adoption by White Middle Class families: Asians higher than whites, Blacks lower. Eminently predictable.
You can call me ray, you can call me Jay...
You can shake em and bake em, but you can't beat the genes...
and You Cannot debate/multiquote me directly because you know who Is educated/smart.
You can only indignantly diatribe/stink with already refuted premises.

Although Japanese and Chinese may score high on these tests, what about Indonesians and other Asians who are from poor societies where literacy is low and education is for the privileged only? What about Native Americans who also live in poverty and do not get the same level of education as their white counterparts in America? Do those people, who are racially Asians, score higher on IQ tests than white America? No. It's because of education and socioeconomic reasons.

Glad you ask. Someone in small part addressed this, I'm going to elaborate.
Indonesians are, of course, Not the same race.
Their migration, evolution, and features, obviously different. (edu or IQ would realize this)
The old '3' races are useful but not delimited well enough for this and other modern purpose. Most, like National Geographic's Genographic project (11) use more. As one of my previous links (Coyne) says, one can use anywhere from 3-30 depending on how deep wants to go. Or even more.

Race Differences in Intelligence (book) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Had to copy graphic from an old post, they took it off the article.

Race ------------------------------------- Mean I.Q -- Mean Brain Size (cc)
East-Asians (China, Taïwan, Japan, Korea) 105 ---------- 1416
Europeans ----------------------------------100 -----------1369
South-East Asians --------------------------90 ------------1332
Pacific Islanders ----------------------------85------ ------1317
South Asians and North africans------------84 ----------- 1293
Africans-------------------------------------67 ------------1282
Australian aborigines ---------------------- 62 ------------1225

Some of these have been adjusted in his subsquent publications and he concedes up to half of some of the differentials are environment/nutrition/etc. See link.
But they are a composite of 620 IQ tests with 800,000+ subjects.
I can show you even further breakdown of sub-Saharans (Bushmen, etc) and a few more that include Indians/N-S America and Inuit as well, but the above is good for now/differentiating 'Asian'.

There is much historic evidence to show that throughout time, racists and sexists have tried to prove that the other gender (women) or another race is somehow inferior mentally. There have been theories on the size and shape of the scull, the weight of the brain, hormones, body differences, etc., that have been used to 'prove' women were intellectually inferior to men or that one race or another was inferior to Europeans or white people. This theory regarding IQ is just another one that goes nowhere and proves only one thing: there will always be those among us who feel the need to create a lie in order to prove their superiority over others. It's a psychological problem, and quite pathetic. Scientific racism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

They are more than theories about brain size and more than theories about the differences in male/female 'relative advantages'.
I suggest you use Wikipedia Less selectively than just the simple/biased single sample of "Scientific Racism". :^)
In fact, if you found that Provincial header, I'll bet you found other more obvious ones on Race and IQ you are intentionally screening out for your own All-races-must-be-IQ-equal agenda.

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[Asclepias]

Which one of these tribes are genetically the furthest from sub-Saharan DNA? Not really important if you get it right or not but ......thats how much sense genetic difference makes in appearance.

You didn't give the names of the two groups but I will assume that the left are Australian aborigines and are very distinct from ALL other groups. The other picture would probably be the very dark skinned ethiopan-like tribe whose name escapes me at the moment.

Throughout the string we had Asclepas hypocritically taking BOTH sides of the "look-alike-means-race" debate.
Whatever suited him at the time.

He was happy to post/CLAIM for HIS sub-saharans a picture of a broad-nosed/African-featured Olmec sculpture (and Their Culture/accomlishments), and Happy to claim Dark-skinned Melanasians were 'his' too.
Same with 'Perhaps-dark' genius/pharoah Imhotep despite Non-Sub-saharan features.
Conspiratorially and Incorrectly, he generally thought (and said) that all dark people are Subsaharans and any further Race delineation was a White conspiracy to divide and conquer.
Never mind the Fact that the greatest Genetic distance between Races is between the both-dark sub-saharans and Aborigines.

BUT at the same time, he tried to contradict/impeach other people's Far more Clear "Race-by-looks" classifications.
Such as his pictoral attempt above.
Of course, Mere 'darkness' can be acquired/Evolve independently to surroundings and does. (in equatorial races)
And he Would NOT answer my far more clear and simple question/example of what his error rate would be in telling apart 300 Naked people in a room:: 100 East Asians, 100 Pygmies, and 100 North Europeans.
(I ask others that same question now/any time)
It's Near Zero, because there IS Race.
He just couldn't/Wouldn't answer because it ruined one of his alternating contradictory/hypocritical positions.
He was impossible to have a straightforward debate with.
He had no problem with "looks does mean race" when it made 'black' look better... AND .. "it doesn't" when it didn't suit.
He disingenuously Abused both.
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I see your reading comprehension is at its lowest ebb. I said Melanisians were Black Africans just like any groups from sub saharhan Africa are Black Africans. You didn't like that but thats your problem.

 

[Asclepias]

Lewonti's Fallacy? Ask anyone with a single base pair genetic disease whether they take solace in being 99.9999 per cent normal.

Which one of these tribes are genetically the furthest from sub-Saharan DNA? Not really important if you get it right or not but ......thats how much sense genetic difference makes in appearance.

You didn't give the names of the two groups but I will assume that the left are Australian aborigines and are very distinct from ALL other groups. The other picture would probably be the very dark skinned ethiopan-like tribe whose name escapes me at the moment.

The tribe on the left are Melanesian and the tribe on the right are the Jarawa tribe from the Andamanese Islands in India. Both groups supposedly are not considered Black Africans even though their ancestors were among the first to leave Africa. Its just a way to keep Black people divided when they fall for that type of categorization.

 

[Unkotare]

WHY don't Japanese have large numbers of poor at home or abroad?
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There ARE large numbers of poor in Japan, you idiot.

 

[Unkotare]

Japan has almost No natural resources compared to sub-Saharan Africa or anywhere else.

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Japan DOES have natural resources, you idiot. The vast majority of Japan is forested.

 

[Unkotare]

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Many/most Japanese and Chinese were brought here as indentured labor to build railroads and harvest sugar cane.
Japanese Americans were Interned and lost everything during WWII.
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"Most" Japanese did NOT come here as "indentured servants," you idiot. And every major power that fought in WWII experienced a loss of manpower, you idiot.

 

[abu afak]

WHY don't Japanese have large numbers of poor at home or abroad?
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There ARE large numbers of poor in Japan, you Idiot.

Dear one-line TROLL.
I was answering Esmeralda who correctly pointed out/Herself Claimed, relative to other countries, Japan has Few poor and hungry both at home And abroad.
SHE was correct.
You might have wanted to TRY to correct HER (or do some Googling and refute) instead of showing the hostile mentality of the 8 yr old you are.
Japan is one of the wealthiest nations and probably has one of the best wealth distribution rates of the biggies.

Japan has almost No natural resources compared to sub-Saharan Africa or anywhere else.
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Japan DOES have natural resources, you Idiot. The vast majority of Japan is forested.

That's it you Stupid Dolt?
I said "Japan has "almost" No Natural Resources compared to sub-Saharan Africa or anywhere else."
That Remains 100% TRUE.
Sub-Saharan Africa is rich in Gold/other Metals and Minerals, Diamonds, Oil, Farmland and.. Forest. Virtually Everything one can name.
Japan HAS to Import virtually EVERY Raw Material (and Foodstuff)... HUGE.

Many/most Japanese and Chinese were brought here as indentured labor to build railroads and harvest sugar cane.
Japanese Americans were Interned and lost everything during WWII.
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"Most" Japanese did NOT come here as "indentured servants, you idiot. And every major power that fought in WWII experienced a loss of manpower, you idiot.

ooof. They/Many/Most Indeed came as Poor Manual labor to Build the railroads and the Japanese first to harvest sugar cane in Hawaii.

The first Chinese immigrants arrived in 1820 according to U.S. government records. 325 men are known to have arrived before the 1849 California Gold Rush[12] which drew the first significant number of laborers from China who mined for gold and performed Menial labor.[13][14][15] There were 25,000 immigrants by 1852, and 105,465 by 1880, most of whom lived on the West Coast. They formed over a tenth of California's population. Nearly all the early immigrants were young males with low educational levels from six districts in Guangdong province.[16]

The Chinese came to California in large numbers during the California Gold Rush, with 40,400 being recorded as arriving from 1851–1860, and again in the 1860s when the Central Pacific Railroad recruited large labor gangs, many on Five-year contracts, to build its portion of the Transcontinental Railroad. The Chinese laborers worked out well and thousands more were recruited until the railroad's completion in 1869. Chinese labor provided the massive workforce needed to build the majority of the Central Pacific's difficult route through the Sierra Nevada mountains and across Nevada. The Chinese population rose from 2,716 in 1851 to 63,000 by 1871. In the decade 1861-70, 64,301 were recorded as arriving, followed by 123,201 in 1871-80 and 61,711 in 1881-1890. 77% were located in California, with the rest scattered across the West, the South, and New England.[17]....

And we are Not talking about "major Powers", we are talking about how they GOT That way.
And WHY sub-Saharan Africa has NONE.
Hark! and DUH!

You MORON, it took you THREE POSTS to emptily disagree with THREE SENTENCES from a SINGLE Post of mine.
WTF!
And you only posted ONE line in response to Each. A Mere "no" with NO back-up/Source/Link either.
Earlier in the string You Could Not even excerpt a link you posted - and reposted/SPAMMED up 4 times with -0- Comment or excerpt.
You Contribute NOTHING to this board. You just Vacuously say "No" or "yes".

Ironically, in an IQ String, you are a Stunning Display of a problem I elaborated earlier: What to do with those at 70 or Less.
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[Pennywise]

I suggest you learn about the actual science involved instead of trying to affirm your preconceived notions.

Hey noodle-brain, if we are all the same, and genetic variation is so slight, why do we people look so vastly different among the major races? And why are certain groups (races) subject to higher instances of certain diseases and/or genetic mutations? All groups have certain strengths and weaknesses both physical and intellectual, but we are all basically the same?

Which is smarter? A Border Collie or a Black Lab? They must be the same, they're both dogs, right?

Not bad if you abandon the idea that there are 'major races'. For 'groups' read 'gene pools' NOT 'races'; collies and labs afford a good example of artificially created gene pools

A dog breed is is no more artificial than a human race of people. Just because there are characteristics bred through selection, it's the opposite side of the same coin, visa vie human evolution. Humans evolved traits both physical and intellectual in response to their respective environments. The Border Collie became smarter and smarter the longer its lineage of a breed. It's a smarter dog because its brain is constantly tested to perform complex tasks, far beyond retrieving a dead quail.

I really don't understand the reluctance to admit that we are not all playing on equal turf, in a myriad of ways, other than some people are simply uncomfortable when the truth is not what they wish it to be.

 

[Unkotare]

WHY don't Japanese have large numbers of poor at home or abroad?
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There ARE large numbers of poor in Japan, you Idiot.

Dear one-line TROLL.
I was answering Esmeralda who correctly pointed out/Herself Claimed, relative to other countries, Japan has Few poor and hungry both at home And abroad.
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You didn't say "relative to other countries," idiot. You were wrong, idiot. There are poor people everywhere.

 

[Unkotare]

I said "Japan has "almost" No Natural Resources compared to sub-Saharan Africa or anywhere else."
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Even with your weak, vacillating disclaimer your comments were hyperbolic nonsense, idiot.

 

[Unkotare]

"Most" Japanese did NOT come here as "indentured servants, you idiot. And every major power that fought in WWII experienced a loss of manpower, you idiot.

ooof. They/Many/Most Indeed came as Poor Manual labor to Build the railroads and the Japanese first to harvest sugar cane in Hawaii.

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Poor manual labor does NOT equate to indentured servitude, idiot.

 

[Asclepias]

Hey noodle-brain, if we are all the same, and genetic variation is so slight, why do we people look so vastly different among the major races? And why are certain groups (races) subject to higher instances of certain diseases and/or genetic mutations? All groups have certain strengths and weaknesses both physical and intellectual, but we are all basically the same?

Which is smarter? A Border Collie or a Black Lab? They must be the same, they're both dogs, right?

Not bad if you abandon the idea that there are 'major races'. For 'groups' read 'gene pools' NOT 'races'; collies and labs afford a good example of artificially created gene pools

A dog breed is is no more artificial than a human race of people. Just because there are characteristics bred through selection, it's the opposite side of the same coin, visa vie human evolution. Humans evolved traits both physical and intellectual in response to their respective environments. The Border Collie became smarter and smarter the longer its lineage of a breed. It's a smarter dog because its brain is constantly tested to perform complex tasks, far beyond retrieving a dead quail.

I really don't understand the reluctance to admit that we are not all playing on equal turf, in a myriad of ways, other than some people are simply uncomfortable when the truth is not what they wish it to be.

The only reason we are not playing on equal turf is access to knowledge and the clear path to put it into action. If I know something you dont that doesn't necessarily mean I am smarter. I just means I was lucky enough to get access to the information.

 

[Unkotare]

some people are simply uncomfortable when the truth is not what they wish it to be.

That's YOUR issue, you ignorant douche.

 

[RKMBrown]

"Most" Japanese did NOT come here as "indentured servants, you idiot. And every major power that fought in WWII experienced a loss of manpower, you idiot.

ooof. They/Many/Most Indeed came as Poor Manual labor to Build the railroads and the Japanese first to harvest sugar cane in Hawaii.

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Poor manual labor does NOT equate to indentured servitude, idiot.

That would be someone taking your income for a contract. Which is at least better than the government taking taxes from your paycheck against your will.

 

[abu afak]

There ARE large numbers of poor in Japan, you Idiot.

Dear one-line TROLL.
I was answering Esmeralda who correctly pointed out/Herself Claimed, relative to other countries, Japan has Few poor and hungry both at home And abroad.
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You didn't say "Relative to other countries," Idiot. You were wrong, Idiot. There are poor people everywhere.

WRONG:
I said "COMPARED" which IS a "Relative" word. RELATIVE/COMPARED to "sub-saharan Africa".
I also said "Almost no" which is not "NO", NOT none at all.

abu afak original:
= "Japan has ALMOST No natural resources COMPARED to sub-Saharan Africa or anywhere else".

Which is STILL TRUE.
You did NOT Refute me You 50 IQ Dope.
YOU were Wrong/DISHONESTLY characterizing my words again.
The only thing I Was wrong about is you near a 70 IQ, you're 30% Lower.
Unkotare: Dumber Than a Goldfish.
Are you 10 years old? Admit it. No adult could be That Stupid.
Is there EVER any meat on your posts? Ever? Do you just say "no" and LIE you Bimbo?

You are STILL a ONE-LINE TROLL and the STUPIDEST Poster I have EVER seen on ANY Message board.
So Stupid, that UNlike EVERYONE else, You also Still can't even Make a single Reply to a Single post.
You pathetically can't multiquote Nor even Single quote and muster TWO thoughts in it: Every sentence needs a new post for this Low Capacity Pea brain.

SWAT!
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