Race Differences in average IQ are Largely Genetic

[IanC]

Do you think there is a lot of genetic separation between whites, east Indians and the peoples between them?

No. There is not much separation between any of the ethnicities genetically.

people who study such things disagree with you. The major split is between subsaharan blacks and the rest of the world but there are definitive differences all the way down, say between Koreans and Japanese.

 

[Asclepias]

Do you think there is a lot of genetic separation between whites, east Indians and the peoples between them?

No. There is not much separation between any of the ethnicities genetically.

people who study such things disagree with you. The major split is between subsaharan blacks and the rest of the world but there are definitive differences all the way down, say between Koreans and Japanese.

You are confused. I suppose thats why we are at the most .5 percent different genetically. What people do you know that study this say otherwise? We are 2% different genetically from chimps.

It is estimated that approximately 0.4 percent of the genomes of unrelated people differ, apart from copy number. When copy-number variation is included, human-to-human genetic variation is estimated to be at least 0.5 percent.

 

[IanC]

No. There is not much separation between any of the ethnicities genetically.

people who study such things disagree with you. The major split is between subsaharan blacks and the rest of the world but there are definitive differences all the way down, say between Koreans and Japanese.

You are confused. I suppose thats why we are at the most .5 percent different genetically. What people do you know that study this say otherwise? We are 2% different genetically from chimps.

It is estimated that approximately 0.4 percent of the genomes of unrelated people differ, apart from copy number. When copy-number variation is included, human-to-human genetic variation is estimated to be at least 0.5 percent.

Lewonti's Fallacy? Ask anyone with a single base pair genetic disease whether they take solace in being 99.9999 per cent normal.

 

[Asclepias]

people who study such things disagree with you. The major split is between subsaharan blacks and the rest of the world but there are definitive differences all the way down, say between Koreans and Japanese.

You are confused. I suppose thats why we are at the most .5 percent different genetically. What people do you know that study this say otherwise? We are 2% different genetically from chimps.

It is estimated that approximately 0.4 percent of the genomes of unrelated people differ, apart from copy number. When copy-number variation is included, human-to-human genetic variation is estimated to be at least 0.5 percent.

Lewonti's Fallacy? Ask anyone with a single base pair genetic disease whether they take solace in being 99.9999 per cent normal.

Which one of these tribes are genetically the furthest from sub-Saharan DNA? Not really important if you get it right or not but ......thats how much sense genetic difference makes in appearance.

 

[Unkotare]

Do you think there is a lot of genetic separation between whites, east Indians and the peoples between them?

No. There is not much separation between any of the ethnicities genetically.

people who study such things disagree with you.

No they don't. There is very little genetic variation between groups of humans. More variation within groups, in fact.

 

[IanC]

You are confused. I suppose thats why we are at the most .5 percent different genetically. What people do you know that study this say otherwise? We are 2% different genetically from chimps.

Lewonti's Fallacy? Ask anyone with a single base pair genetic disease whether they take solace in being 99.9999 per cent normal.

Which one of these tribes are genetically the furthest from sub-Saharan DNA? Not really important if you get it right or not but ......thats how much sense genetic difference makes in appearance.

You didn't give the names of the two groups but I will assume that the left are Australian aborigines and are very distinct from ALL other groups. The other picture would probably be the very dark skinned ethiopan-like tribe whose name escapes me at the moment.

 

[IanC]

No. There is not much separation between any of the ethnicities genetically.

people who study such things disagree with you.

No they don't. There is very little genetic variation between groups of humans. More variation within groups, in fact.

I suggest you investigate Lewontin's Fallacy as to why you are mistaken except in a trivial way.. Humans have the same amount of eyes and ears etc but the differences we are looking for are made up in the combinations of genetic traits, and are easily distinguished by genetic testing.

 

[Unkotare]

people who study such things disagree with you.

No they don't. There is very little genetic variation between groups of humans. More variation within groups, in fact.

I suggest you investigate Lewontin's Fallacy as to why you are mistaken except in a trivial way.. .

I suggest you learn about the actual science involved instead of trying to affirm your preconceived notions.

 

[abu afak]

Lewonti's Fallacy? Ask anyone with a single base pair genetic disease whether they take solace in being 99.9999 per cent normal.

Which one of these tribes are genetically the furthest from sub-Saharan DNA? Not really important if you get it right or not but ......thats how much sense genetic difference makes in appearance.

You didn't give the names of the two groups but I will assume that the left are Australian aborigines and are very distinct from ALL other groups. The other picture would probably be the very dark skinned ethiopan-like tribe whose name escapes me at the moment.

Throughout the string we had Asclepas hypocritically taking BOTH sides of the "look-alike-means-race" debate.
Whatever suited him at the time.

He was happy to post/CLAIM for HIS sub-saharans a picture of a broad-nosed/African-featured Olmec sculpture (and Their Culture/accomlishments), and Happy to claim Dark-skinned Melanasians were 'his' too.
Same with 'Perhaps-dark' genius/pharoah Imhotep despite Non-Sub-saharan features.
Conspiratorially and Incorrectly, he generally thought (and said) that all dark people are Subsaharans and any further Race delineation was a White conspiracy to divide and conquer.
Never mind the Fact that the greatest Genetic distance between Races is between the both-dark sub-saharans and Aborigines.

BUT at the same time, he tried to contradict/impeach other people's Far more Clear "Race-by-looks" classifications.
Such as his pictoral attempt above.
Of course, Mere 'darkness' can be acquired/Evolve independently to surroundings and does. (in equatorial races)
And he Would NOT answer my far more clear and simple question/example of what his error rate would be in telling apart 300 Naked people in a room:: 100 East Asians, 100 Pygmies, and 100 North Europeans.
(I ask others that same question now/any time)
It's Near Zero, because there IS Race.
He just couldn't/Wouldn't answer because it ruined one of his alternating contradictory/hypocritical positions.
He was impossible to have a straightforward debate with.
He had no problem with "looks does mean race" when it made 'black' look better... AND .. "it doesn't" when it didn't suit.
He disingenuously Abused both.
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[abu afak]

3a. Egyptian Dynastics were NOT black/Subsaharan they were their own North African 'Nile' group that mostly evolved there and, according to most scientists, are still there as Egyptians. Also partly mixed in with Middle Easterners etc.

I challenge you to post your proof that any scientist will say this beyond the dates proven by DNA that Egyptians were from the South and Great Lakes regions of Africa. I will post the DNA results again for you since you have conveniently forgotten or are to stupid to comprehend them.

1. The first chart shows....

I Numbered my points 1-6 for easy but Non-evasive reply,
http://www.usmessageboard.com/race-...ge-iq-are-largely-genetic-16.html#post8242339
You responded to "3a" Alone... Anyway.
One of Seven issues.
If you had at least included my BOLDED #4... "WTF Is DNA Tribes?" [If Not Race]
Anything else would have been moot.

And that's the way it went throughout. He just felt free to short-quote me.. and I mean Big Time! 90%/Bolded portions/meaty parts.. and.. to try and Cover Not answering, he then faux-brazenly issues these petty 'challenges' despite leaving the Biggest Issues Untouched/Unanswered.

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[RKMBrown]

3a. Egyptian Dynastics were NOT black/Subsaharan they were their own North African 'Nile' group that mostly evolved there and, according to most scientists, are still there as Egyptians. Also partly mixed in with Middle Easterners etc.

I challenge you to post your proof that any scientist will say this beyond the dates proven by DNA that Egyptians were from the South and Great Lakes regions of Africa. I will post the DNA results again for you since you have conveniently forgotten or are to stupid to comprehend them.

1. The first chart shows....

I Numbered my points 1-6 for easy but Non-evasive reply, You responded to "3a" Alone... Anyway.
One of Seven issues.
If you had included the BOLDED #4... "WTF Is DNA Tribes?" [If Not Race]
Your Further 'answer' was moot.

And that's the way it went throughout. He just felt free to short-quote me .. and I mean Big Time! Like most/the meat/Bolded postions/The most important parts and despite/To Cover Not answering, he faux-brazenly then issues these 'challenges'.

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Why are you talking to the banned guy?

 

[Pennywise]

No they don't. There is very little genetic variation between groups of humans. More variation within groups, in fact.

I suggest you investigate Lewontin's Fallacy as to why you are mistaken except in a trivial way.. .

I suggest you learn about the actual science involved instead of trying to affirm your preconceived notions.

Hey noodle-brain, if we are all the same, and genetic variation is so slight, why do we people look so vastly different among the major races? And why are certain groups (races) subject to higher instances of certain diseases and/or genetic mutations? All groups have certain strengths and weaknesses both physical and intellectual, but we are all basically the same?

Which is smarter? A Border Collie or a Black Lab? They must be the same, they're both dogs, right?

 

[RKMBrown]

I suggest you investigate Lewontin's Fallacy as to why you are mistaken except in a trivial way.. .

I suggest you learn about the actual science involved instead of trying to affirm your preconceived notions.

Hey noodle-brain, if we are all the same, and genetic variation is so slight, why do we people look so vastly different among the major races? And why are certain groups (races) subject to higher instances of certain diseases and/or genetic mutations? All groups have certain strengths and weaknesses both physical and intellectual, but we are all basically the same?

Which is smarter? A Border Collie or a Black Lab? They must be the same, they're both dogs, right?

Which is smarter blondes or brunettes? They must be different cause they have different colored hair, right?

 

[Pennywise]

I suggest you learn about the actual science involved instead of trying to affirm your preconceived notions.

Hey noodle-brain, if we are all the same, and genetic variation is so slight, why do we people look so vastly different among the major races? And why are certain groups (races) subject to higher instances of certain diseases and/or genetic mutations? All groups have certain strengths and weaknesses both physical and intellectual, but we are all basically the same?

Which is smarter? A Border Collie or a Black Lab? They must be the same, they're both dogs, right?

Which is smarter blondes or brunettes? They must be different cause they have different colored hair, right?

Did you really think that was some kind of "gotcha" when you wrote it?

Run along, honey buns.

 

[abu afak]

Why are you talking to the banned guy?

Huh?
Because I'm entitled to respond to what he said to me!
And the issues in this debate are NOT just for two posters.
[It's understood] When one makes points/responses, one is making them to the Board and it's readers as well. Not to mention, the banned Can still read the response as well. He's banned not Dead.
He might even want a response!

Again, Empty juvenile Hostility.

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[RKMBrown]

Hey noodle-brain, if we are all the same, and genetic variation is so slight, why do we people look so vastly different among the major races? And why are certain groups (races) subject to higher instances of certain diseases and/or genetic mutations? All groups have certain strengths and weaknesses both physical and intellectual, but we are all basically the same?

Which is smarter? A Border Collie or a Black Lab? They must be the same, they're both dogs, right?

Which is smarter blondes or brunettes? They must be different cause they have different colored hair, right?

Did you really think that was some kind of "gotcha" when you wrote it?

Run along, honey buns.

Your inability to answer a simple question does not give you the right to dismiss pastries.

 

[Unkotare]

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Why are you talking to the banned guy?[/QUOTE]


Because he knows it's his only chance to feel like he's getting somewhere in a debate.

 

[Unkotare]

I suggest you investigate Lewontin's Fallacy as to why you are mistaken except in a trivial way.. .

I suggest you learn about the actual science involved instead of trying to affirm your preconceived notions.

Hey noodle-brain, if we are all the same, and genetic variation is so slight, why do we people look so vastly different among the major races?

I'm sorry you're so stupid. Why do people in one family of Northern Europeans have red hair and people in another family have dark brown hair?


You're an idiot. Read up on the actual science and try to become slightly less of an idiot.

 

[Meathead]

I challenge you to post your proof that any scientist will say this beyond the dates proven by DNA that Egyptians were from the South and Great Lakes regions of Africa. I will post the DNA results again for you since you have conveniently forgotten or are to stupid to comprehend them.

1. The first chart shows....

I Numbered my points 1-6 for easy but Non-evasive reply, You responded to "3a" Alone... Anyway.
One of Seven issues.
If you had included the BOLDED #4... "WTF Is DNA Tribes?" [If Not Race]
Your Further 'answer' was moot.

And that's the way it went throughout. He just felt free to short-quote me .. and I mean Big Time! Like most/the meat/Bolded postions/The most important parts and despite/To Cover Not answering, he faux-brazenly then issues these 'challenges'.

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Why are you talking to the banned guy?

Who's going to amuse us with flight of fantasy about blacks being responsible for every achievement imaginable now?

 

[Peterf]

IMO race was never a useful construct. I think it was quite damaging. It led to people like the OP being born that had to use something to justify being savages. Before these classifications people were people. The color Black was not associated with evil it was associated with divinity. People worshipped Black gods.

Anyone with a brain can see the race classifications were made up to marginalize certain groups. They didn't even make sense. Egypt was important and thats why there was an effort to make people think that not only were they not black but that Egypt itself was not in Africa. They fooled many people but DNA had the final say. This white washing of history has prevented the acquisition of true knowledge and set humans back. there is this stupid assumption that Blacks never did anything great. Thats still reflected in todays society, not only here in the US but globally.

I only enjoy making people look stupid if they stand behind stupid things and are rude to boot.

'Blacks' have done great things. But PROPORTIONALLY fewer than 'whites'. I fear this is undeniable. It is also clear beyond argument that many of the gene pools in modern Africa result in lower AVERAGE intelligence than is necessary to sustain a developed society.

The prerequisite of solving a problem is to recognise that one exists.

Btw in view of recent history I would be wary of putting forward Egypt as a repository of ability and intelligence.

Who made up these tests? Why would I be wary when the present ruling class in Egypt are not the same people that created Egypt?

Attempts have been made to invent intelligence tests which would show Africans scoring, on average, highest. So far none have worked. You could have a try.

Your point about Egypt is fair - populations change over time. But a very large proportion of modern Egyptians will have some ancient Egyptian ancestry.