Question on Traditionalsim

[DustyInfinity]

I have a simple Midwest Viewpoint. My dad became a teacher when he got back from Vietnam, and my mother worked as a dental tech. They worked hard, they saved money, and they sacrificed to take care of their kids. To me, that is the core of traditionalism. Families working, saving, and succeeding. We never had a lot of money, and my parents worked long hours, but we were happy. Why is this way of life wrong? Why do we need to go to universal programs? I have heard politicians on the left say it is impossible to succeed if you were not born rich. Why? Could someone tell me why we are moving to a heavier government service political model? I think we can encourage traditional success while still helping the poor. It would seem that universal programs would prevent traditional success and harm way more people than it would help. What am I missing?

 

[Thinker101]

I have a simple Midwest Viewpoint. My dad became a teacher when he got back from Vietnam, and my mother worked as a dental tech. They worked hard, they saved money, and they sacrificed to take care of their kids. To me, that is the core of traditionalism. Families working, saving, and succeeding. We never had a lot of money, and my parents worked long hours, but we were happy. Why is this way of life wrong? Why do we need to go to universal programs? I have heard politicians on the left say it is impossible to succeed if you were not born rich. Why? Could someone tell me why we are moving to a heavier government service political model? I think we can encourage traditional success while still helping the poor. It would seem that universal programs would prevent traditional success and harm way more people than it would help. What am I missing?

Because liberals feel it would be "free" for them.

 

[kyzr]

1. Wall Street would rather move jobs overseas than deal with unions or US taxes & regulations.
2. Progs prefer government handouts by taxing the "oppressors" and the privileged.
3. You are obviously not "woke" to think like that
4. You have not considered the criminal element, those who simply prefer crime to hard work.

 

[John T. Ford]

I have a simple Midwest Viewpoint. My dad became a teacher when he got back from Vietnam, and my mother worked as a dental tech. They worked hard, they saved money, and they sacrificed to take care of their kids. To me, that is the core of traditionalism. Families working, saving, and succeeding. We never had a lot of money, and my parents worked long hours, but we were happy. Why is this way of life wrong? Why do we need to go to universal programs? I have heard politicians on the left say it is impossible to succeed if you were not born rich. Why? Could someone tell me why we are moving to a heavier government service political model? I think we can encourage traditional success while still helping the poor. It would seem that universal programs would prevent traditional success and harm way more people than it would help. What am I missing?

Because a strong family makes a strong Country.

Not exactly conducive to the Left's plan to destroy America from within.

 

[Juicey Omelette]

They worked hard, they saved money, and they sacrificed

Unfortunately the past couple of generations have been taught by their liberal hippy pinko parents, and professors that they're entitled to fruits of other people's labor..and that the government should take care of them.

 

[Maxdeath]

I have a simple Midwest Viewpoint. My dad became a teacher when he got back from Vietnam, and my mother worked as a dental tech. They worked hard, they saved money, and they sacrificed to take care of their kids. To me, that is the core of traditionalism. Families working, saving, and succeeding. We never had a lot of money, and my parents worked long hours, but we were happy. Why is this way of life wrong? Why do we need to go to universal programs? I have heard politicians on the left say it is impossible to succeed if you were not born rich. Why? Could someone tell me why we are moving to a heavier government service political model? I think we can encourage traditional success while still helping the poor. It would seem that universal programs would prevent traditional success and harm way more people than it would help. What am I missing?

The head of Amazon was not born rich. The guy that started ups was almost too broke to pay wages. Bill Gates, Steve Jobs and others were not born rich.

But the left wants to believe that everything should be easy.

 

[occupied]

Millennials are haunted by student debt, diminishing opportunity and economic instability to the point many will never buy a house or start a family. Boomers like to brag they started from nothing but even that is an impossible dream for many. It seems "successful" life in the 21st century requires a lifetime of paying off one debt after another with one short-term job after another and then you die. So many opportunities to fall into bad debt, so few to really succeed. Once your credit is screwed it's all over. Just try to have a "traditional" life when economic stability is a walk through a mine field.

 

[kyzr]

Millennials are haunted by student debt, diminishing opportunity and economic instability to the point many will never buy a house or start a family. Boomers like to brag they started from nothing but even that is an impossible dream for many. It seems "successful" life in the 21st century requires a lifetime of paying off one debt after another with one short-term job after another and then you die. So many opportunities to fall into bad debt, so few to really succeed. Once your credit is screwed it's all over. Just try to have a "traditional" life when economic stability is a walk through a mine field.

1. Totally agree student debt is a major problem. Prefer the German model where people take job training for good paying jobs instead of useless degrees (Art-History?)
2. The job opportunities would be better if we stopped importing labor, and exporting jobs.
3. Your credit rating depends on your financial choices. Choose wisely.
4. The Trump economy was good for everyone until Covid hit. Lets hope it continues after the vaccine is approved.

 

[occupied]

Millennials are haunted by student debt, diminishing opportunity and economic instability to the point many will never buy a house or start a family. Boomers like to brag they started from nothing but even that is an impossible dream for many. It seems "successful" life in the 21st century requires a lifetime of paying off one debt after another with one short-term job after another and then you die. So many opportunities to fall into bad debt, so few to really succeed. Once your credit is screwed it's all over. Just try to have a "traditional" life when economic stability is a walk through a mine field.

1. Totally agree student debt is a major problem. Prefer the German model where people take job training for good paying jobs instead of useless degrees (Art-History?)
2. The job opportunities would be better if we stopped importing labor, and exporting jobs.
3. Your credit rating depends on your financial choices. Choose wisely.
4. The Trump economy was good for everyone until Covid hit. Lets hope it continues after the vaccine is approved.

The problems I mentioned had their origins in "free market" capitalism and financial deregulation. We quit investing in the future ability of Americans to prosper decades ago. We got stuck with a lousy unstable service economy and stopped caring about real working-class wealth accumulation. American capitalism is shaping up to be a failure because no one tried to make sure it worked for everyone on the economic ladder. Conservatives especially trusted in a system they allowed to be rigged because anything else was deemed socialism.

 

[kyzr]

Millennials are haunted by student debt, diminishing opportunity and economic instability to the point many will never buy a house or start a family. Boomers like to brag they started from nothing but even that is an impossible dream for many. It seems "successful" life in the 21st century requires a lifetime of paying off one debt after another with one short-term job after another and then you die. So many opportunities to fall into bad debt, so few to really succeed. Once your credit is screwed it's all over. Just try to have a "traditional" life when economic stability is a walk through a mine field.

1. Totally agree student debt is a major problem. Prefer the German model where people take job training for good paying jobs instead of useless degrees (Art-History?)
2. The job opportunities would be better if we stopped importing labor, and exporting jobs.
3. Your credit rating depends on your financial choices. Choose wisely.
4. The Trump economy was good for everyone until Covid hit. Lets hope it continues after the vaccine is approved.

The problems I mentioned had their origins in "free market" capitalism and financial deregulation. We quit investing in the future ability of Americans to prosper decades ago. We got stuck with a lousy unstable service economy and stopped caring about real working-class wealth accumulation. American capitalism is shaping up to be a failure because no one tried to make sure it worked for everyone on the economic ladder. Conservatives especially trusted in a system they allowed to be rigged because anything else was deemed socialism.

Totally agree that "free market capitalism" is a failure. Its a "race to the bottom" of wages.
Wall Street buys pols and then move jobs and factories overseas.
Thats why Trump's "populism" was so popular. America First. Bring jobs and factories back to the US. Make fair trade deals. Be sure the US workers have decent jobs. The "service economy" is a disaster. When Obama said "those jobs are not coming back", we know what he meant, money talks, bullshit walks.

 

[occupied]

Millennials are haunted by student debt, diminishing opportunity and economic instability to the point many will never buy a house or start a family. Boomers like to brag they started from nothing but even that is an impossible dream for many. It seems "successful" life in the 21st century requires a lifetime of paying off one debt after another with one short-term job after another and then you die. So many opportunities to fall into bad debt, so few to really succeed. Once your credit is screwed it's all over. Just try to have a "traditional" life when economic stability is a walk through a mine field.

1. Totally agree student debt is a major problem. Prefer the German model where people take job training for good paying jobs instead of useless degrees (Art-History?)
2. The job opportunities would be better if we stopped importing labor, and exporting jobs.
3. Your credit rating depends on your financial choices. Choose wisely.
4. The Trump economy was good for everyone until Covid hit. Lets hope it continues after the vaccine is approved.

The problems I mentioned had their origins in "free market" capitalism and financial deregulation. We quit investing in the future ability of Americans to prosper decades ago. We got stuck with a lousy unstable service economy and stopped caring about real working-class wealth accumulation. American capitalism is shaping up to be a failure because no one tried to make sure it worked for everyone on the economic ladder. Conservatives especially trusted in a system they allowed to be rigged because anything else was deemed socialism.

Totally agree that "free market capitalism" is a failure. Its a "race to the bottom" of wages.
Wall Street buys pols and then move jobs and factories overseas.
Thats why Trump's "populism" was so popular. America First. Bring jobs and factories back to the US. Make fair trade deals. Be sure the US workers have decent jobs. The "service economy" is a disaster. When Obama said "those jobs are not coming back", we know what he meant, money talks, bullshit walks.

Trump's economic populism was only popular with people who did not know he promising the moon and stars and had no idea how to make it happen. It's kind of shameful so many were taken in by empty promises. All he did was go on a deregulation rampage for his rich friends and start a trade war with China he seems to have totally lost interest in.

 

[Thinker101]

Millennials are haunted by student debt, diminishing opportunity and economic instability to the point many will never buy a house or start a family. Boomers like to brag they started from nothing but even that is an impossible dream for many. It seems "successful" life in the 21st century requires a lifetime of paying off one debt after another with one short-term job after another and then you die. So many opportunities to fall into bad debt, so few to really succeed. Once your credit is screwed it's all over. Just try to have a "traditional" life when economic stability is a walk through a mine field.

Yep, that's what happens when you're lazy as hell and feel it's not fair.

 

[DustyInfinity]

Millennials are haunted by student debt, diminishing opportunity and economic instability to the point many will never buy a house or start a family. Boomers like to brag they started from nothing but even that is an impossible dream for many. It seems "successful" life in the 21st century requires a lifetime of paying off one debt after another with one short-term job after another and then you die. So many opportunities to fall into bad debt, so few to really succeed. Once your credit is screwed it's all over. Just try to have a "traditional" life when economic stability is a walk through a mine field.

1. Totally agree student debt is a major problem. Prefer the German model where people take job training for good paying jobs instead of useless degrees (Art-History?)
2. The job opportunities would be better if we stopped importing labor, and exporting jobs.
3. Your credit rating depends on your financial choices. Choose wisely.
4. The Trump economy was good for everyone until Covid hit. Lets hope it continues after the vaccine is approved.

The problems I mentioned had their origins in "free market" capitalism and financial deregulation. We quit investing in the future ability of Americans to prosper decades ago. We got stuck with a lousy unstable service economy and stopped caring about real working-class wealth accumulation. American capitalism is shaping up to be a failure because no one tried to make sure it worked for everyone on the economic ladder. Conservatives especially trusted in a system they allowed to be rigged because anything else was deemed socialism.

Totally agree that "free market capitalism" is a failure. Its a "race to the bottom" of wages.
Wall Street buys pols and then move jobs and factories overseas.
Thats why Trump's "populism" was so popular. America First. Bring jobs and factories back to the US. Make fair trade deals. Be sure the US workers have decent jobs. The "service economy" is a disaster. When Obama said "those jobs are not coming back", we know what he meant, money talks, bullshit walks.

Trump's economic populism was only popular with people who did not know he promising the moon and stars and had no idea how to make it happen. It's kind of shameful so many were taken in by empty promises. All he did was go on a deregulation rampage for his rich friends and start a trade war with China he seems to have totally lost interest in.

So do you think people in general are helpless and we should give up on people earning their own way?

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

I have a simple Midwest Viewpoint. My dad became a teacher when he got back from Vietnam, and my mother worked as a dental tech. They worked hard, they saved money, and they sacrificed to take care of their kids. To me, that is the core of traditionalism. Families working, saving, and succeeding. We never had a lot of money, and my parents worked long hours, but we were happy. Why is this way of life wrong? Why do we need to go to universal programs? I have heard politicians on the left say it is impossible to succeed if you were not born rich. Why? Could someone tell me why we are moving to a heavier government service political model? I think we can encourage traditional success while still helping the poor. It would seem that universal programs would prevent traditional success and harm way more people than it would help. What am I missing?

Communist shit twinkle-toed cocksuckers want you to believe that merit and hard work get you nowhere. That is how they gain power and lord over us.

That is also why we need to execute them all.

Kill a commie for mommy.

I've been ringing the communist bell for decades now, I am finally getting somewhere. People are now seeing that the Bolshevists did not go away. They just change their names.

Thor and Woden want me to kill commies and die in battle so I can meet them in Valhalla.

 

[Staidhup]

I think someone should do a little research on your Mr Gates being poor or lower middle class.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

American capitalism is shaping up to be a failure because no one tried to make sure it worked for everyone on the economic ladder.

It was never designed to work for everybody, only those who participated in it. What I have found through the years is that those who complain about the wealthy the most are those who never invested one dime in their future. True, they may have an IRA that their employer started, some may own their house, but outside of that, nil.

People on the left and anti-capitals feel that they are owed. They should be able to live anywhere they want, have any size dwelling they desire, have the newest smart phone and automobile, and it's up to the employer to provide enough money for these things working no more than 40 hours a week regardless of their abilities to provide profit for their employer.

 

[Norman]

Traditionalism = Take care of issues that matter, for people that matter.

Progressivism = Take care of issues that don't matter for people that don't matter (to you).

That's pretty much it.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Millennials are haunted by student debt, diminishing opportunity and economic instability to the point many will never buy a house or start a family. Boomers like to brag they started from nothing but even that is an impossible dream for many. It seems "successful" life in the 21st century requires a lifetime of paying off one debt after another with one short-term job after another and then you die. So many opportunities to fall into bad debt, so few to really succeed. Once your credit is screwed it's all over. Just try to have a "traditional" life when economic stability is a walk through a mine field.

There are solutions to these problems. First of all, there is no law that states you either go to college at the age of 18 or you don't. Nothing is stopping a person from working for a few years, live at home with mom and dad provided that option is available to you, then after earning enough money at the age of 21 or so, seek an advanced education with cash. If you run out of money after the first two years, rinse and repeat, or work part-time while going to school to make it last as long as you can.

Then if you need a loan, it will be much more manageable. When you gain employment in the field you studied for, you will be able to make enough to payoff the loan quickly.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I have a simple Midwest Viewpoint. My dad became a teacher when he got back from Vietnam, and my mother worked as a dental tech. They worked hard, they saved money, and they sacrificed to take care of their kids. To me, that is the core of traditionalism. Families working, saving, and succeeding. We never had a lot of money, and my parents worked long hours, but we were happy. Why is this way of life wrong? Why do we need to go to universal programs? I have heard politicians on the left say it is impossible to succeed if you were not born rich. Why? Could someone tell me why we are moving to a heavier government service political model? I think we can encourage traditional success while still helping the poor. It would seem that universal programs would prevent traditional success and harm way more people than it would help. What am I missing?

People tend to raise their children giving them everything they want. They grow up with the entitled mentality which is why as adults they support Socialism. What is Socialism? It's government taking care of personal problems you don't want to deal with, just like when you grew up.

I don't want to save for retirement. I can't have the latest smart phone or video games. So government take care of that for me. I don't get paid enough. I didn't learn a trade or otherwise get an advanced education. I smoke pot and can't get a good job because of drug tests. Government raise minimum wage for me. Healthcare is expensive. I can't afford it. Government take care of that for me. I can't afford college. I would have to take out massive loans, or work hard to pay for it myself. Government take care of that problem for me. I want children but can't afford to support them. Government take care of that for me.

 

[kyzr]

Millennials are haunted by student debt, diminishing opportunity and economic instability to the point many will never buy a house or start a family. Boomers like to brag they started from nothing but even that is an impossible dream for many. It seems "successful" life in the 21st century requires a lifetime of paying off one debt after another with one short-term job after another and then you die. So many opportunities to fall into bad debt, so few to really succeed. Once your credit is screwed it's all over. Just try to have a "traditional" life when economic stability is a walk through a mine field.

1. Totally agree student debt is a major problem. Prefer the German model where people take job training for good paying jobs instead of useless degrees (Art-History?)
2. The job opportunities would be better if we stopped importing labor, and exporting jobs.
3. Your credit rating depends on your financial choices. Choose wisely.
4. The Trump economy was good for everyone until Covid hit. Lets hope it continues after the vaccine is approved.

The problems I mentioned had their origins in "free market" capitalism and financial deregulation. We quit investing in the future ability of Americans to prosper decades ago. We got stuck with a lousy unstable service economy and stopped caring about real working-class wealth accumulation. American capitalism is shaping up to be a failure because no one tried to make sure it worked for everyone on the economic ladder. Conservatives especially trusted in a system they allowed to be rigged because anything else was deemed socialism.

Totally agree that "free market capitalism" is a failure. Its a "race to the bottom" of wages.
Wall Street buys pols and then move jobs and factories overseas.
Thats why Trump's "populism" was so popular. America First. Bring jobs and factories back to the US. Make fair trade deals. Be sure the US workers have decent jobs. The "service economy" is a disaster. When Obama said "those jobs are not coming back", we know what he meant, money talks, bullshit walks.

Trump's economic populism was only popular with people who did not know he promising the moon and stars and had no idea how to make it happen. It's kind of shameful so many were taken in by empty promises. All he did was go on a deregulation rampage for his rich friends and start a trade war with China he seems to have totally lost interest in.

Moving factories takes time. Getting China under control takes time. Getting fair trade deals takes time. Navarro and Lightheizer are making real progress. The virus interrupted, but as soon as we get vaccines we should get back to full employment again.

Biden is the one lying about "millions of jobs". Obama tried it with Solyndra, it failed. Stupid is as stupid does.

Solyndra - Wikipedia

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