Question about WW2..

Soon after the civil war, among the American ruling political, intellectual and cultural elite, it became very fashionable for those in the ruling class to identify themselves as, "anglophiles."

It didn't matter if it was from the right with Teddy, or from the left with Woodrow. They all fell in line with the bullshit fawning over the Empire.



It mattered very little to them, that we had fought two wars against the crown, or that the British government tried to destroy the union by supporting the confederacy.


And when the upper class finds it fashionable to be something, the middle classes necessarily will seek to emulate them.

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This was, really, the end of America, when it forgot its roots - ANTI-MONARCHY.

Go read your Thomas Paine's "Common Sense," the most well read book by Americans other than the Bible to remember who your real enemy is.

. . . and for land's sake, stop being a loyalist.


Unless of course you are from Britain or a Common Wealth nation. If that is the case? Your traitorous attitude, can of course be forgiven.


The fact is, Churchill and the clandestine service knew America would be pulled into a foreign policy that our founders were against. He was busy orchestrating it in conjunction with traitorous American ruling elites. THAT is the conspiracy.

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So you think we would be better off being eaten by all the other 'empire builders'. lol okay.
 
The truth is often considered a conspiracy by ignorant people, which is why the ruling class love ignorant people.

lol as if you're some shrewd observer n stuff. You're just a parrot.
 
Yes, I laughed, too; we know the answer is zero.
 
The last surviving Japanese bombardier who attacked Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941, has passed away. Masamitsu Yoshioka, whose death was announced on Japanese social media on August 28, 2024, died at 106, leaving a legacy that saw his involvement in the event that thrust the United States into the Second World War.
 
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Why did Hitler stop the successful invasion of France just before Dunkerk …. For so long as it took to let the English escape?

I think that because of the unavoidable conflict between Germany's National Socialists and Russia's Communism, Hitler never wanted war with England and even had significant support in England (1) (i.e. The Cliveden Set etc).

He even sent Rudolph Hess to Britain with a peace proposal that offered to return all conquered Western territories for neutrality so that Germany could focus on fighting Communism in the East.

Churchill wanted war with Germany(2) for Germany's colonies and directed British intelligence organizations to manipulate American opinion in favor of another war in Europe as about 80% of America opposed another European War.
FDR with his pro war profiteers made it easier for the British agents to dupe Americans into thinking that Germany planned to invade the U.S. (3)

Finally, the answer to your question is that Hitler let the British army escape for at least 2 reasons.
1. He felt a fondness for his English "cousins"
2. He wanted a free hand to fight the Communists as Stalin's Army was already preparing an invasion of all of Europe and beyond on "M. - Day" (Mobilization Day) in June - July of 1941.

I hope I've answered your question to at least some degree.

Thanks,





(1) "Hitler didn't want world war"
http://www.redicecreations.com/specialreports/hitlernowar.html

EXCERPT "Hitler didn't want a world war, and had no stomach for fighting England, according to Pulitzer Prize winning journalist Louis Kilzer, author of "Churchill's Deception" (Simon & Schuster, 1994).

Hitler believed the future of Western civilization depended on the cooperation of Germany and her Aryan cousins: England and the United States. His territorial demands were limited to conquering Communist Russia, which he regarded as a proxy for Jewish world ambitions. He was determined to avoid fighting a war on two fronts.

The "miracle at Dunkirk" was in fact an extraordinary peace overture to England. We don't normally associate Hitler with such magnanimity.

In May 1940, the British were on the verge of defeat. The English army was trapped at Dunkirk. Rather than take them prisoner, Hitler halted his generals for three days allowing 330,000 men to escape.

"The blood of every single Englishman is too valuable to shed," Hitler said. "Our two people belong together racially and traditionally. That is and always has been my aim, even if our generals can't grasp it." (Kilzer, p.213)

Rudolph Hess, the Deputy Leader of Nazi Germany, was in contact with the Cliveden group and flew to England May 10, 1941 to negotiate peace. According to Kilzer, Hess had Hitler's complete blessings. CONTINUED



(2). "We will force this war upon Hitler, if he wants it or not." - Winston Churchill (1936 broadcast)”
(3). “A Map of Nazi South America (Forged by the British)”

“This map makes clear the Nazi design, not only against South America but against the United States as well”, said FDR


“Hitler has often protested that his plans for conquest do not extend across the Atlantic Ocean. I have in my possession a secret map, made in Germany by Hitler’s government – by the planners of the new world order. It is a map of South America and a part of Central America as Hitler proposes to reorganize it,” revealed US President Franklin D. Roosevelt in his Navy Day address to the nation, broadcast on 27 October 1941." CONTINUED


(4). "Nazis ‘offered to leave western Europe in exchange for free hand to attack USSR"
http://www.historyextra.com/news/se...estern-europe-exchange-free-hand-attack-ussr’

EXCERPT ""A new book claims to have solved the riddle of the flight to Britain in 1941 of Rudolph Hess, Adolf Hitler’s deputy. Historian Peter Padfield has uncovered evidence he says shows Hess, the deputy Fuhrer, brought with him from Hitler a detailed peace treaty, under which the Nazis would withdraw from western Europe in exchange for British neutrality over the imminent attack on Russia. The episode remains, more than 70 years on, shrouded in mystery."CONTINUED
 
I think that because of the unavoidable conflict between Germany's National Socialists and Russia's Communism, Hitler never wanted war with England and even had significant support in England (1) (i.e. The Cliveden Set etc).

He even sent Rudolph Hess to Britain with a peace proposal that offered to return all conquered Western territories for neutrality so that Germany could focus on fighting Communism in the East.

Churchill wanted war with Germany(2) for Germany's colonies and directed British intelligence organizations to manipulate American opinion in favor of another war in Europe as about 80% of America opposed another European War.
FDR with his pro war profiteers made it easier for the British agents to dupe Americans into thinking that Germany planned to invade the U.S. (3)

Finally, the answer to your question is that Hitler let the British army escape for at least 2 reasons.
1. He felt a fondness for his English "cousins"
2. He wanted a free hand to fight the Communists as Stalin's Army was already preparing an invasion of all of Europe and beyond on "M. - Day" (Mobilization Day) in June - July of 1941.

I hope I've answered your question to at least some degree.

Thanks,





(1) "Hitler didn't want world war"
http://www.redicecreations.com/specialreports/hitlernowar.html

EXCERPT "Hitler didn't want a world war, and had no stomach for fighting England, according to Pulitzer Prize winning journalist Louis Kilzer, author of "Churchill's Deception" (Simon & Schuster, 1994).

Hitler believed the future of Western civilization depended on the cooperation of Germany and her Aryan cousins: England and the United States. His territorial demands were limited to conquering Communist Russia, which he regarded as a proxy for Jewish world ambitions. He was determined to avoid fighting a war on two fronts.

The "miracle at Dunkirk" was in fact an extraordinary peace overture to England. We don't normally associate Hitler with such magnanimity.

In May 1940, the British were on the verge of defeat. The English army was trapped at Dunkirk. Rather than take them prisoner, Hitler halted his generals for three days allowing 330,000 men to escape.

"The blood of every single Englishman is too valuable to shed," Hitler said. "Our two people belong together racially and traditionally. That is and always has been my aim, even if our generals can't grasp it." (Kilzer, p.213)

Rudolph Hess, the Deputy Leader of Nazi Germany, was in contact with the Cliveden group and flew to England May 10, 1941 to negotiate peace. According to Kilzer, Hess had Hitler's complete blessings. CONTINUED



(2). "We will force this war upon Hitler, if he wants it or not." - Winston Churchill (1936 broadcast)”
(3). “A Map of Nazi South America (Forged by the British)”

“This map makes clear the Nazi design, not only against South America but against the United States as well”, said FDR


“Hitler has often protested that his plans for conquest do not extend across the Atlantic Ocean. I have in my possession a secret map, made in Germany by Hitler’s government – by the planners of the new world order. It is a map of South America and a part of Central America as Hitler proposes to reorganize it,” revealed US President Franklin D. Roosevelt in his Navy Day address to the nation, broadcast on 27 October 1941." CONTINUED


(4). "Nazis ‘offered to leave western Europe in exchange for free hand to attack USSR"
http://www.historyextra.com/news/se...estern-europe-exchange-free-hand-attack-ussr’

EXCERPT ""A new book claims to have solved the riddle of the flight to Britain in 1941 of Rudolph Hess, Adolf Hitler’s deputy. Historian Peter Padfield has uncovered evidence he says shows Hess, the deputy Fuhrer, brought with him from Hitler a detailed peace treaty, under which the Nazis would withdraw from western Europe in exchange for British neutrality over the imminent attack on Russia. The episode remains, more than 70 years on, shrouded in mystery."CONTINUED
You've got some issues here.

Red Ice is a white supremacy propaganda and conspiracy theory site, which mediabiasfactcheck rates as a Questionable Source and Low Factual Reporting. Their assessment is representative of popular opinion. The article you linked goes on to talk about the Illuminati as if it were accepted face.

Your second link is on LiveJournal, which relocated to Russia a few years ago, and is now widely avoided by those of us in the west.

You cut the quote off before the next paragraph in your third link goes on to say "The map was a fake." It seems to have exactly the opposite thesis as what you present in your blurb.

The fourth link is broken.

And your thesis is very favorable to Hitler, and relies itself on questionable claims, starting with the influence and even existence of the Cliveden Set.

You've got some serious issues here.
 
I was reading on Google that Hitler invaded and conquered Holland in May 1940..

Ok, but I also read on Google that Japan invaded the Dutch East Indies after Pearl Harbor, December 7th, 1941 though to obtain thee oil fields in the Dutch East Indies..

My question is, why would Japan need to attack thee Dutch East Indies in 1941-1942 if Hitler had already conquered Holland in 1940..?

Wouldn’t thee Dutch East Indies have fallen if Holland had fallen to the Nazi’s a year or so prior?
Because the Dutch government in exile, based in England didn't lose control over their colonies and the Axis had no way to force them to do so without invading.

This for instance, in contrast to Vichy France, who did give up Indochina to the Japanese because they were in the sphere of influence of the Germans.

This is pretty basic knowledge for those interested in World War 2.
 
I was reading on Google that Hitler invaded and conquered Holland in May 1940..

Ok, but I also read on Google that Japan invaded the Dutch East Indies after Pearl Harbor, December 7th, 1941 though to obtain thee oil fields in the Dutch East Indies..

My question is, why would Japan need to attack thee Dutch East Indies in 1941-1942 if Hitler had already conquered Holland in 1940..?

Wouldn’t thee Dutch East Indies have fallen if Holland had fallen to the Nazi’s a year or so prior?

Just because you take one place, doesn't mean you take all.

France was taken, doesn't mean all French territory was German.
 
You've got some issues here.

Red Ice is a white supremacy propaganda and conspiracy theory site, which mediabiasfactcheck rates as a Questionable Source and Low Factual Reporting. Their assessment is representative of popular opinion. The article you linked goes on to talk about the Illuminati as if it were accepted face.

Your second link is on LiveJournal, which relocated to Russia a few years ago, and is now widely avoided by those of us in the west.

You cut the quote off before the next paragraph in your third link goes on to say "The map was a fake." It seems to have exactly the opposite thesis as what you present in your blurb.

The fourth link is broken.

And your thesis is very favorable to Hitler, and relies itself on questionable claims, starting with the influence and even existence of the Cliveden Set.

You've got some serious issues here.


Other than your opinion about certain sources, what assertion did I make that you feel is inaccurate?

Lon ago, I lived, worked and spent plenty of time with Holocaust survivors, German WW2 Veterans, Russian and American WW2 Veterans and civilian survivors of the entire WW2 era.
I've also researched salient documents in the original German and noted that many translations are even deliberately deceptive mistranslations intended to mislead the reader.

Whatever information I have posted is supported by either other sources in other languages or eyewitness accounts.

Since the victors write the history it's essential to remember that all sides used propaganda but the propaganda of the Axis powers stopped in 1945.

Regrettably, too many people confuse Hollywood's melodramatic and fictional fodder with reality.

The subliminal effect of constant residual Allied WW2 propaganda makes it almost impossible to find people capable of objective thought.

Which of my assertions do you feel is inaccurate?

Thanks,
 
Other than your opinion about certain sources, what assertion did I make that you feel is inaccurate?

Lon ago, I lived, worked and spent plenty of time with Holocaust survivors, German WW2 Veterans, Russian and American WW2 Veterans and civilian survivors of the entire WW2 era.
I've also researched salient documents in the original German and noted that many translations are even deliberately deceptive mistranslations intended to mislead the reader.

Whatever information I have posted is supported by either other sources in other languages or eyewitness accounts.

Since the victors write the history it's essential to remember that all sides used propaganda but the propaganda of the Axis powers stopped in 1945.

Regrettably, too many people confuse Hollywood's melodramatic and fictional fodder with reality.

The subliminal effect of constant residual Allied WW2 propaganda makes it almost impossible to find people capable of objective thought.

Which of my assertions do you feel is inaccurate?

Thanks,
The only source I criticized is Red Ice, and its reputation as a white supremacist conspiracy theory peddler is not only my opinion, it is shared by many others.



There are more.

I appreciate the amount of dedication and research you put in, but I have to wonder that if you have such rock-solid evidence and conclusions, why would you post such terrible references? Even if Jesus himself descended from a cloud and imparted to you the literally-God's-honest-truth, any knowledgeable reader would see your evidence of:
  • A white supremacist outlet;
  • An asset taken over by Russian propagandists;
  • A source that directly contradicts your statement; and
  • A broken link,

and would then toss your ideas aside, with good reason and without a second thought.
 
The only source I criticized is Red Ice, and its reputation as a white supremacist conspiracy theory peddler is not only my opinion, it is shared by many others.



There are more.

I appreciate the amount of dedication and research you put in, but I have to wonder that if you have such rock-solid evidence and conclusions, why would you post such terrible references? Even if Jesus himself descended from a cloud and imparted to you the literally-God's-honest-truth, any knowledgeable reader would see your evidence of:
  • A white supremacist outlet;
  • An asset taken over by Russian propagandists;
  • A source that directly contradicts your statement; and
  • A broken link,

and would then toss your ideas aside, with good reason and without a second thought.


Since I try to respond to every civil and thoughtful comment, I sometimes chose sources for the veracity of its content rather than its reputation with NPR and MSM.

In other words, if a guy wearing a "White Pride" T- shirt is yelling "FIRE!" and the building was filling with smoke, I might not immediately dismiss what he says. In this case, I doubt that Pulitzer Prize winning journalist Louis Kilzer, author of "Churchill's Deception", wears a "White Pride" T - shirt.

So, the article I chose, "Hitler didn't want world war" contained information that was not written by the owner or contributors to "Red Ice" but by Louis Kilzer.

In other words, the dates, assessments and facts were from Louis Kilzer, not anybody at "Red Ice"
In order to distinguish what is really a credible source and what is not, it important to acknowledge the rock solid reality that: "The Victors write the History."

Or, as George Orwell wrote:

"Who controls the past controls the future; who controls the present controls the past."


As I mentioned earlier, all sides used / use propaganda which is the reason that I try to keep an open mind, study both sides of an argument and don't mind admitting when I'm wrong.

A different historian, Friedrich Stieve, (1) also reveals the fact that Germany did not want war and I don't know of anyone else who has read Hitler's heavily repressed and numerous peace offers or is aware that both Churchill & FDR ( the USS Greer incident) wanted war with Germany for its colonies and industrial capabilities.

"We will force this war upon Hitler, if he wants it or not." - Winston Churchill (1936 broadcast)”

The other sources explained why Germany tried to avoid a WW 2 with the Western world to be able to repel Stalin's "M - Day" and long planned attack on all the Western world, "M-Day":


- "Nazis ‘offered to leave western Europe in exchange for free hand to attack USSR"
http://www.historyextra.com/news/se...estern-europe-exchange-free-hand-attack-ussr’

EXCERPT ""A new book claims to have solved the riddle of the flight to Britain in 1941 of Rudolph Hess, Adolf Hitler’s deputy. Historian Peter Padfield has uncovered evidence he says shows Hess, the deputy Fuhrer, brought with him from Hitler a detailed peace treaty, under which the Nazis would withdraw from western Europe in exchange for British neutrality over the imminent attack on Russia. The episode remains, more than 70 years on, shrouded in mystery."CONTINUED


-"Hess, Hitler & Churchill"
Amazon.com


EXCERPT "Peter Padfield presents striking new evidence that demands the wholesale reappraisal of the episode. For, allied to a powerful argument that Hess must have had both Hitler's backing and considerable encouragement from Britain, Padfield demonstrates that he also brought with him a draft peace treaty committing Hitler to the evacuation of occupied European countries. Made public, this would have destroyed Churchill's campaign to bring the United States into the war."CONTINUED


Before I post additional information that runs contrary to the standard, Western MSM narrative, I should point out that inconvenient facts have been unpopular since the beginning of time and any attempt to look at WW 2 objectively is anathema to many.

History is not so simple as: "It's all the fault of the evil Germans."

Next, you mentioned that I contradicted myself at a source I had posted about the fake invasion map the British used to deceive America.
My assertion was simply that the attempt to deceive Americans by the British was real but that the map they used was fake since the Germans had no plans to invade the Americas (S or N ).

Please clarify the contradiction.

Finally, the idea that Germany's leadership would go to great lengths to avoid a 2 or 3 Front war is just common sense and because of the expansionist nature of Communism a clash between National Socialism and Communism was inevitable.

While I've read that proof of Stalin's plans to attack all of Europe was the lack of defensive measures and troops in offensive positions, I heard the same thing from a German WW 2 Veteran who was there and made the same observation.

That was about 50 years ago in Germany when I was living, studying at the University and working as a stone mason with the same WW 2 Veteran.

So, do you believe that Germany was willing to surrender captured territory and make peace / neutrality with the Western powers in order to fight on just the Eastern Front?

Thanks,




(1). "What the World Rejected: Hitler’s Peace Offers 1933–1940"
https://www.amazon.com/What-World-Rejected-Hitlers-1933-1940-ebook/dp/B00M5K8OEM?tag=usmb-20

EXCERPT " Written by Germany’s foremost diplomatic historian of the early twentieth century, this work maps out all the numerous times that Adolf Hitler made unconditional offers of peace to all the nations of Europe—and how the major anti-German belligerents, France and Britain, turned down these offers each and every time.

The author lists all of Hitler’s offers in detail, complete with quotes, starting with his first offer of May 17, 1933, his second offer of December 18, 1933, his third offer of May 21, 1935, his fourth offer of March 31, 1936, his fifth offer of September 30, 1938, his sixth offer of December 6, 1938, his seventh offer of late 1939 to Poland to settle the Danzig Corridor issue peacefully, and finally, his offer of world peace on October 6, 1939, just over a month after Britain and France had declared war on Germany for invading Poland on September 1 (but not on the Soviet Union, which also invaded Poland on September 17).

This edition benefits from four new sections which did not appear in the original publication. These are:

- The full text of Hitler’s “Appeal for Peace and Sanity” speech, made before the Reichstag on July 19, 1940, following the fall of France. In that speech, Hitler once again offered unconditional peace to Britain.

This speech was printed in English and dropped by the tens of thousands from German aircraft over Britain. Although nearly half the British cabinet wanted to take up his offer, Churchill’s warmongering put an end to this final offer of peace
;"CONTINUED
 
Have either of you read Hitler's War by David Irving? I just purchased a copy, and it explains Hitler's perspective on WW2, based on the diaries of other German leaders and other documents that weren't open to public inspection until the 1970s. Very informative!
 
Have either of you read Hitler's War by David Irving? I just purchased a copy, and it explains Hitler's perspective on WW2, based on the diaries of other German leaders and other documents that weren't open to public inspection until the 1970s. Very informative!


Because David Irving is both extremely knowledgable, honest and objective of the historians writing on this tragic era, he has incurred the wrath of the fraudulent Holocaust Industry, (1), (2)"court" historians and pro Israel MSM (3).

Irving has been slandered more than any other modern historian because some of the facts that his extensive research has uncovered contradict much of the mythical standard Holocaust and WW 2 narratives.

Irving is one of the few historians who is able to grasp the truthfulness of George Orwell's observation:

"Who controls the past controls the future; who controls the present controls the past."


I'm not surprised that you have found Irving's discoveries and research of formerly classified documents to be informative.

Have you finished the book yet?

Thanks,



(1). "17 CHARGED IN $42 MILLION HOLOCAUST FRAUD CASE"
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/40093058/...ed-million-holocaust-fraud-case/#.XU62pSMwi_U

EXCERPT "Federal prosecutors said Tuesday they have broken up a long-running scam in which people falsely claimed to be victims of the Nazi persecution so they could get money out of a fund that pays Holocaust reparations."CONTINUED


(2). "HOLOCAUST CLAIMS CONFERENCE FRAUD LIKELY ‘MUCH HIGHER’ THAN $57 MILLION"

EXCERPT "For over a decade, a criminal ring within the organization embezzled tens of millions of dollars through false restitution claims.”CONTINUED


(3). “Studies continually show strong pro-Israel bias in western media”
http://www.middleeasteye.net/columns/studies-continually-show-strong-pro-israel-bias-western-media-881718416

EXCERPT “Mainstream western media outlets are, by and large, infused with a pro-Israeli ideological bias that colors nearly all mainstream Western reporting on Israel-Palestine.

Israel is assumed to be good, peaceful, and like ‘us’. The Palestinians, meanwhile, are backwards, violent, and foreign. These are the assumptions that most western news outlets start with,..." CONTINUED
 
Because David Irving is both extremely knowledgable, honest and objective of the historians writing on this tragic era, he has incurred the wrath of the fraudulent Holocaust Industry, (1), (2)"court" historians and pro Israel MSM (3).

Irving has been slandered more than any other modern historian because some of the facts that his extensive research has uncovered contradict much of the mythical standard Holocaust and WW 2 narratives.

Irving is one of the few historians who is able to grasp the truthfulness of George Orwell's observation:

"Who controls the past controls the future; who controls the present controls the past."


I'm not surprised that you have found Irving's discoveries and research of formerly classified documents to be informative.

Have you finished the book yet?

Thanks,



(1). "17 CHARGED IN $42 MILLION HOLOCAUST FRAUD CASE"
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/40093058/...ed-million-holocaust-fraud-case/#.XU62pSMwi_U

EXCERPT "Federal prosecutors said Tuesday they have broken up a long-running scam in which people falsely claimed to be victims of the Nazi persecution so they could get money out of a fund that pays Holocaust reparations."CONTINUED


(2). "HOLOCAUST CLAIMS CONFERENCE FRAUD LIKELY ‘MUCH HIGHER’ THAN $57 MILLION"

EXCERPT "For over a decade, a criminal ring within the organization embezzled tens of millions of dollars through false restitution claims.”CONTINUED


(3). “Studies continually show strong pro-Israel bias in western media”
http://www.middleeasteye.net/columns/studies-continually-show-strong-pro-israel-bias-western-media-881718416

EXCERPT “Mainstream western media outlets are, by and large, infused with a pro-Israeli ideological bias that colors nearly all mainstream Western reporting on Israel-Palestine.

Israel is assumed to be good, peaceful, and like ‘us’. The Palestinians, meanwhile, are backwards, violent, and foreign. These are the assumptions that most western news outlets start with,..." CONTINUED
islamonazi meme alert
 
islamonazi meme alert


In other words, you can't refute a word either I or Irving has written so all you've got is the usual Hasbara slander.

"When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser" Socrates
 
In other words, you can't refute a word either I or Irving has written so all you've got is the usual Hasbara slander.

"When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser" Socrates
you did not present "a word" You just supported whatever he wrote as a "general islamo nazi concept. Give me a word
"for discussion" LOSER!!!!!
 
Have you finished the book yet?
No, Germany has not yet invaded the Soviet Union. But Hitler's geopolitical assessments were spot on, including that Churchill's refusal to negotiate a peace settlement would benefit America while ending the British Empire (which he did not want). Another interesting fact is that he originally wanted to resettle Europe's Jews in Madagascar, which was a French colony in Africa. That was one reason he left the French fleet independent to protect French colonial possessions.

P.S. I am not a Holocaust denier.
 
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