Question about “under the jurisdiction thereof” in the birthright citizenship debate

[Conservative from Georgia]

If he were 173 years old, yes.

Which one? The diplomat or the illegal immigrant?

 

[d0gbreath]

The Sponsors of the 14th amendment made it clear the juisdiction applies to Americans blacks who were just freed from slavery but were still non citizens which is the main reason why this amenment was created.

They also stated it wasn't for illegal aliens as their jurisdiction is in another country thus doesn't qualify.

This is 101 stuff that removes the absurd birthright citizenship bullshit for babies of ILLEGAL alien parents.

If they were being so clear about it only applying to freed black slaves, why is that not mentioned in the 14th?

 

[Sunsettommy]

Stop lying. They did not state anything about “illegal immigrants.”
And you have not answer whether the foreign diplomat or his children born here would’ve been in USA jurisdiction back then.

LOL, you have no idea what the SPONSORS of the 14 amendment stated, I am telling the truth and your ignorance is exposed.

 

[Concerned American]

Before the Civil War, there were no restrictions on who could enter the country (as far as I know, correct me if I'm wrong). Therefore, when a citizen of another country did enter, they voluntarily placed themselves under the jurisdiction of the United States and the state in which they entered.

Now that we have restrictions on who can enter, and how they are allowed to do it, a foreigner who enters illegally is specifically dodging United States jurisdiction and remains a foreigner unlawfully present. Not at all who the framers of the 14th Amendment envisioned protecting.

The 14th was put in place to address the citizenship of slaves. PERIOD.

 

[Conservative from Georgia]

There weren't any....Therefore there was no such thing as an "illegal immigrant"....You committed a crime and they prosecuted you regardless.

Demonstrating that the OP is completely out of his league.

You just stated that any immigrant would’ve been under USA jurisdiction.
Who would’ve thought my biggest ally in this thread was Oddball himself. (don’t forget to answer about the diplomat.)

 

[Conservative from Georgia]

The 14th was put in place to address the citizenship of slaves. PERIOD.

It doesn’t say so in the text. And they never said that was the only kind of person to whom it would apply.

 

[Oddball]

You just stated that any immigrant would’ve been under USA jurisdiction.
Who would’ve thought my biggest ally in this thread was Oddball himself. (don’t forget to answer about the diplomat.)

There was no "USA jurisdiction" back then, ignorant jackass.

So **** off.

 

[Meathead]

Which one? The diplomat or the illegal immigrant?

Jose Perez.

Polk was one of the best presidents America's ever had.

 

[Conservative from Georgia]

LOL, you have no idea what the SPONSORS of the 14 amendment stated, I am telling the truth and your ignorance is exposed.

you are lying about the sponsors saying it was only for black slaves. Tell me where they said that.

 

[Conservative from Georgia]

Jose Perez

So if a non-diplomat foreigner had killed somebody that USA didn’t have the right to prosecute him?

LOL, you have no idea what the SPONSORS of the 14 amendment stated, I am telling the truth and your ignorance is exposed.

The reason why you’re not quoting the sponsors is that you lied about them saying anything about the amendment being only for slaves or freed slaves.

 

[Sunsettommy]

I see the typical ignorance from leftist democrats who don't have a clue about the history that created the amendment as Brittanica shows clearly it was for black people who were newly freed.

Fourteenth Amendment​

United States Constitution

Excerpt:

Fourteenth Amendment, amendment (1868) to the Constitution of the United States that granted citizenship and equal civil and legal rights to African Americans and slaves who had been emancipated after the American Civil War, including them under the umbrella phrase “all persons born or naturalized in the United States.” In all, the amendment comprises five sections, four of which began in 1866 as separate proposals that stalled in legislative process and were later amalgamated, along with a fifth enforcement section, into a single amendment.

LINK

 

[Conservative from Georgia]

There was no "USA jurisdiction" back then, ignorant jackass.

So **** off.

So when they wrote “under their jurisdiction thereof”, were they drunk?
Sit down stupid.

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

The Democrat Party hates White Voters.
This is why they allowed 10 million poor uneducated third world people to illegally enter our country.
This is why they are against the enforcement of our immigration laws.
This is why they think that birthright citizenship applys to people who illegally entered our country.

Birthright citizenship is for American Citizens, not illegal aliens.

 

[Sunsettommy]

you are lying about the sponsors saying it was only for black slaves. Tell me where they said that.

LOL you are so freaking ignorant as I just destroyed you using the Brittanica link showing it was chiefly designed for newly freed blacks.

You need to slow down.

 

[Conservative from Georgia]

I see the typical ignorance from leftist democrats who don't have a clue about the history that created the amendment as Brittanica shows clearly it was for black people who were newly freed.

Fourteenth Amendment​

United States Constitution

Excerpt:

Fourteenth Amendment, amendment (1868) to the Constitution of the United States that granted citizenship and equal civil and legal rights to African Americans and slaves who had been emancipated after the American Civil War, including them under the umbrella phrase “all persons born or naturalized in the United States.” In all, the amendment comprises five sections, four of which began in 1866 as separate proposals that stalled in legislative process and were later amalgamated, along with a fifth enforcement section, into a single amendment.

LINK

You didn’t quote the 14th amendment.

 

[Conservative from Georgia]

LOL you are so freaking ignorant as I just destroyed you using the Brittanica link showing it was chiefly designed for newly freed blacks.

You need to slow down.

Wait. Why didn’t you quote the sponsors or the amendment itself? You’re in shaky grounds.

 

[Winston]

It doesn't say "USA citizen", ******* nincompoop.

Prior to the 14th Amendment, you were a citizen of the State wherein you resided...There was no such thing as a federal "US citizen"
l didn't answer your loaded question because the entire premise is just shitlib bait.

https://archive.org/stream/DebatesThatLedToTheCreationOfTheFourteenthAmendment/Debates%20that%20led%20to%20the%20creation%20of%20the%20Fourteenth%20Amendment_djvu.txt

There you go. Every single word spoken by every single Senator and Congressman during the debate over the 14th amendment. I can point you to where your claim, that there were no US citizens, is completely refuted. While the sentiment you expressed may have been the norm under the Articles of Confederation, after the Constitution that idea fell out of favor.

 

[Meathead]

So if a non-diplomat foreigner had killed somebody that USA didn’t have the right to prosecute him?

WTF are you saying? Do you read your asinine posts?

 

[Conservative from Georgia]

WTF are you saying? Do you read your asinine posts?

There’s nothing to say. You told us that an immigrant back then was under the jurisdiction of the United States, because he could be prosecuted, but a foreign diplomat or his children were not. That’s all.
You are in agreement with me

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

"Under the jurisdiction of" just means American Citizen.
It does not mean illegal alien.