Putting the Palestine and Israeli feud into perspective.

[bendog]

Wrong.
Zionist were "massacring civilians" before there was an Israel.
Go look up the "massacre of Deir Yassin" in 1946.
And if that is not enough, look up when Menachim Begin blew up the King David Hotel in 1946.

Well that was OT from my post. lol. There's no doubt that paramilitary forces on both "sides" killed civilians in the "run up" to a Jewish state. But whether one likes, or doesn't like, either Israelies or Palestinians, they are there and not going anywhere.

 

[DGS49]

There is not now, nor has there ever been a country called Palestine, nor an ethnicity of "Palestinian." They are Arabs who happened to live in a certain area. It is the equivalent of declaring a new American ethnicity of Appalachian, and creating affirmative action plans to help them out.

 

[Lesh]

And Israel just wanted their country back
Even Arabs didnt recognize there being such a thing as Palestinians. Lol
I remember reading a quote from a British explorer in the 19th century that said something like, "ISrael, a people with no land. Palestine, a land with no people"

Typical European bigotry. Arabs aren’t actually people ya know

 

[TNHarley]

Typical European bigotry. Arabs aren’t actually people ya know

Even arabs couldnt stand those guys.
Just like today. They say they support them, but they dont want them in their country.

 

[ShahdagMountains]

As you can see quite clearly from the first map, Arabs were given over 3/4 of the land. Today, we call it Jordan.

That’s because the British reneged on their pledge to the Jews, promising all that mandate land to them.

They didn’t want to upset the French in Syria.

 

[bendog]

That’s because the British reneged on their pledge to the Jews, promising all that mandate land to them.

They didn’t want to upset the French in Syria.

Do you have a source for the Brits promising 'all" the mandate land for a Jewish state? I don't see it in the Balfour Delcaration

 

[ShahdagMountains]

Do you have a source for the Brits promising 'all" the mandate land for a Jewish state? I don't see it in the Balfour Delcaration

On July 24, 1922, the League of Nations entrusted Great Britain with the Mandate for Palestine. Recognizing "the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine," Great Britain was called upon to facilitate the establishment of a Jewish national home in Palestine-Eretz Israel (Land of Israel). Shortly afterward, in September 1922, the League of Nations and Great Britain decided that the provisions for setting up a Jewish national home would not apply to the area east of the Jordan River, which constituted three-fourths of the territory included in the Mandate and which eventually JVL.

The resolution to partition that land came later. From the UN. Who else?

 

[bendog]

On July 24, 1922, the League of Nations entrusted Great Britain with the Mandate for Palestine. Recognizing "the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine," Great Britain was called upon to facilitate the establishment of a Jewish national home in Palestine-Eretz Israel (Land of Israel). Shortly afterward, in September 1922, the League of Nations and Great Britain decided that the provisions for setting up a Jewish national home would not apply to the area east of the Jordan River, which constituted three-fourths of the territory included in the Mandate and which eventually JVL.

The resolution to partition that land came later. From the UN. Who else?

But that did not provide the Jews got all the mandate land.

 

[ShahdagMountains]

But that did not provide the Jews got all the mandate land.

Has this some bearing on present events?

 

[bendog]

Has this some bearing on present events?

I'm asking you to support, or explain, your post in mssg 85

expat500 said:
That’s because the British reneged on their pledge to the Jews, promising all that mandate land to them.

They didn’t want to upset the French in Syria.

 

[ShahdagMountains]

I'm asking you to support, or explain, your post in mssg 85

expat500 said:
That’s because the British reneged on their pledge to the Jews, promising all that mandate land to them.

They didn’t want to upset the French in Syria.

Why do you?

 

[bendog]

Why do you?

Well up till now, I was interested in your thoughts. When you posted the Jews were to get all the mandate lands, that was something I'd not read before, so I was interested. I looked again, at the Balfour Delcaration, and it's not there. But, perhaps that not what you meant, though. Or perhaps you knew something that would advance my knowledge of the situation. I was just asking. And that appears to have been ... not useful

 

[ShahdagMountains]

Well up till now, I was interested in your thoughts. When you posted the Jews were to get all the mandate lands, that was something I'd not read before, so I was interested. I looked again, at the Balfour Delcaration, and it's not there. But, perhaps that not what you meant, though. Or perhaps you knew something that would advance my knowledge of the situation. I was just asking. And that appears to have been ... not useful

I don’t see how that has any bearing on the tragic events of these awful times.

 

[BlindBoo]

That’s because the British reneged on their pledge to the Jews, promising all that mandate land to them.

They didn’t want to upset the French in Syria.

"His Majesty's Government view with favor the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavors to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country. I should be grateful if you would bring this declaration to the knowledge of the Zionist Federation."

https://www1.udel.edu/History-old/figal/Hist104/assets/pdf/readings/14balfour.pdf

Doesn't sound like they promised all the mandates land to a new Jewish state in Palestine to me. Obviously they didn't achieve their goals either.

 

[bendog]

I don’t see how that has any bearing on the tragic events of these awful times.

THEN WHY THE FUCK DID YOU POST IT? LOL

 

[ShahdagMountains]

"His Majesty's Government view with favor the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavors to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country. I should be grateful if you would bring this declaration to the knowledge of the Zionist Federation."

https://www1.udel.edu/History-old/figal/Hist104/assets/pdf/readings/14balfour.pdf

Doesn't sound like they promised all the mandates land to a new Jewish state in Palestine to me. Obviously they didn't achieve their goals either.

Of course they didn’t. They had a mandate for Iraq, and created a kingdom out of that.

With a king!

Who was assassinated!

The British were Arabists.

 

[kaz]

Palestine was a country.

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The Brits and the UN came in a divided up the land and made Israel. They gave most of Palestine to the Jews, calling it Israel. Because people will self segregate, everyone was divided. After WW2, millions more jews were put there. Forcing Palestinians to get shoved back even more.

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This in itself is what has done more to cause the problems than the religious aspect.

This is the work of UN.

Palestinians just want their damn country back. Hamas, as evil as they are, (and they're not god damn evil and should be slaughtered for being so evil) are the worst of the worst. And making this probably much worse than it should be. But being all shoved into such a small area, losing their country, are acting like most people would.

Imagine the US forcing Americans to all move to the west coast so that Europeans could occupy the rest of the USA. We wouldn't stand for it. We did it to the American indians.

That's bull shit Adolph. There was never such a country. There were your buds who tried a final solution to the Jew problem

 

[kaz]

I don't really care either. But seeing this is all anyone's talking about, I thought I'd at least try to understand some of it.

By making up a fake country that was actually part of Jordan?

 

[Billo_Really]

Palestine was a country.

View attachment 841556
The Brits and the UN came in a divided up the land and made Israel. They gave most of Palestine to the Jews, calling it Israel. Because people will self segregate, everyone was divided. After WW2, millions more jews were put there. Forcing Palestinians to get shoved back even more.

View attachment 841559
This in itself is what has done more to cause the problems than the religious aspect.

This is the work of UN.

Palestinians just want their damn country back. Hamas, as evil as they are, (and they're not god damn evil and should be slaughtered for being so evil) are the worst of the worst. And making this probably much worse than it should be. But being all shoved into such a small area, losing their country, are acting like most people would.

Imagine the US forcing Americans to all move to the west coast so that Europeans could occupy the rest of the USA. We wouldn't stand for it. We did it to the American indians.

End the occupation and you end the violence.

 

[kaz]

End the occupation and you end the violence.

Yes dead Jews behave, don't they Adolph?