Putting the Palestine and Israeli feud into perspective.

[Sixties Fan]

We could go back to ancient history about this and make all sorts of arguments about who's land is who's. But I think the cut off should be where outside influences took over that land. Especially the UK and when the ottoman empire fell.
When Britain, Greece, France and Russia started having a say so with other people's lands.

I understand Palestine's problem. Although I don't agree with Hamas's actions.

They should've given Germany to the Jews. What was left of them.

The Muslims took over that land in the 7th century from the Byzantine.

The Crusaders took over the land from the Muslims.

The Ottomans took over the land from the Crusaders.


The Ottomans lost the land by siding with the Germans in WWI.

All along, it has Always been the Jewish Homeland, where Judaism started and many Jews always lived or returned to.

There was never a country called Palestine, only a region. Basically only the region where the Philistines, Greek people, had lived.


There was for thousands of years a Nation called Israel, with Israelites, which lost wars and land to other people, but they were always recognized as the indigenous people and only Nation to still live on the land.

What you are repeating is Muslim, Arab and then Palestinian revisionist history to make it look like the Palestinians have always been around, and are the indigenous people of the land.


Palestine's problem is a problem of Islam not accepting Jews being sovereign of their own destiny and succeeding at it, and being friends with Arabs, Muslims, and not depending on Muslims anymore.

Palestine's problem is Israel not being Islamic as TransJordan was made to be Islamic as the British betrayed the Mandate for the Jewish Nation in 1922.


Poor knowledge of history or lack of caring for any facts of history and especially knowledge that this has always been a religious war by Islamist against Jews, leads to anyone like you to come up with revisionist history which is supposed to make the Palestinians the victims.


Millions of Palestinians all over are the victims.
Victims of greedy, Jew hating leaders who have been using them to kill Jews and try to destroy Israel.

That is ALL this latest attack is. Another attempt to kill Jews, and especially try to get all other Arab countries again to attack Israel at the same time and destroy it.


Enough of people like you. Seriously.

 

[Sixties Fan]

I don't really care either. But seeing this is all anyone's talking about, I thought I'd at least try to understand some of it.

I explained it. Do you understand any of it?

 

[White 6]

BLM disagrees

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Screw the BLM. They are just a multi-level marketing plan, with a catchy (but untrue) marketing slogan that only applies if one of them is shot, while criminally resisting arrest for crimes. Other than that, they do not even believe black lives matter, as they have proven in their silence regarding black on black crime and their support of riots to effect their goals and further their fund-raising.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Screw the BLM. They are just a multi-level marketing plan, with a catchy (but untrue) marketing slogan that only applies if one of them is shot, while criminally resisting arrest for crimes. Other than that, they do not even believe black lives matter, as they have proven in their silence regarding black on black crime and their support of riots to effect their goals and further their fund-raising.

You’re throwing fastballs today, sir

 

[irosie91]

The only authority the UN has was force. That's not really "authority." That's just force. So they signed a document that was "legal" to them, doesn't mean it was right.

If you have to force anything on anyone, apparently it's not the right solution for all.

to what force to you refer----the UN ATOMIC BOMB?

 

[Billiejeens]

Feud?

 

[White 6]

The only authority the UN has was force. That's not really "authority." That's just force. So they signed a document that was "legal" to them, doesn't mean it was right.

If you have to force anything on anyone, apparently it's not the right solution for all.

But like it or not, it is a legally recognized international body. Israeli people have been in the land of Canaan, over 2,000 years ago, clean back to old testament days. Palestinians had two thousand plus of years to create a nation there, but did not, for whatever reason, unimportant now. Now they are too late. I support Israel. I have trained with Saudi and Israeli officers, back in the day. I always go along with and admired the work of the Israeli officers more. Again, I support Israel, as does the United States.

 

[bendog]

The Muslims took over that land in the 7th century from the Byzantine.

The Crusaders took over the land from the Muslims.

The Ottomans took over the land from the Crusaders.


The Ottomans lost the land by siding with the Germans in WWI.

All along, it has Always been the Jewish Homeland, where Judaism started and many Jews always lived or returned to.

There was never a country called Palestine, only a region. Basically only the region where the Philistines, Greek people, had lived.


There was for thousands of years a Nation called Israel, with Israelites, which lost wars and land to other people, but they were always recognized as the indigenous people and only Nation to still live on the land.

What you are repeating is Muslim, Arab and then Palestinian revisionist history to make it look like the Palestinians have always been around, and are the indigenous people of the land.


Palestine's problem is a problem of Islam not accepting Jews being sovereign of their own destiny and succeeding at it, and being friends with Arabs, Muslims, and not depending on Muslims anymore.

Palestine's problem is Israel not being Islamic as TransJordan was made to be Islamic as the British betrayed the Mandate for the Jewish Nation in 1922.


Poor knowledge of history or lack of caring for any facts of history and especially knowledge that this has always been a religious war by Islamist against Jews, leads to anyone like you to come up with revisionist history which is supposed to make the Palestinians the victims.


Millions of Palestinians all over are the victims.
Victims of greedy, Jew hating leaders who have been using them to kill Jews and try to destroy Israel.

That is ALL this latest attack is. Another attempt to kill Jews, and especially try to get all other Arab countries again to attack Israel at the same time and destroy it.


Enough of people like you. Seriously.

Personally, I was going for Ishmael, but thanks.

What hamas did doesn't really have a basis in Genisis ... or even Exodus

 

[Dogmaphobe]

It's always fun when posters refer to the country of Palestine, but cannot name any leaders of that supposed country.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Palestine was a country

Your opening sentence is a lie

 

[MisterBeale]

As far as I am concerned, Israel was recognized early in the 20th century in a land where no country existed. It was effective and legally recognized in 1948 and 1949 by the United Nation. It is settled international law. They are a country with all the rights of self defense and to exist as any other country, and has been for over 75 years. The Palestinians can just go pound sand or be pounded into the sand, by Israel defending their right to exist. I support Israel and the Jewish people.

The UN supports both. It is a tragedy in the making, and a slow rolling cluster fuck.

https://www.un.org/unispal/document/auto-insert-182149/

 

[Darkwind]

We took their land and forced them on reservations. We raped and murdered their women and children. And retaliated with the same. Until they were outnumbered and defeated.

How's Palestine any different?

We've done nothing of the sort.

Stop apologizing for baby killers.

There never has been a nation called Palestine.

The Arabs that live in Israel are refugees from other nations. Nations that could not stomach their crazy.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Palestine was a country.

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The Brits and the UN came in a divided up the land and made Israel. They gave most of Palestine to the Jews, calling it Israel. Because people will self segregate, everyone was divided. After WW2, millions more jews were put there. Forcing Palestinians to get shoved back even more.

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This in itself is what has done more to cause the problems than the religious aspect.

This is the work of UN.

Palestinians just want their damn country back. Hamas, as evil as they are, (and they're not god damn evil and should be slaughtered for being so evil) are the worst of the worst. And making this probably much worse than it should be. But being all shoved into such a small area, losing their country, are acting like most people would.

Imagine the US forcing Americans to all move to the west coast so that Europeans could occupy the rest of the USA. We wouldn't stand for it. We did it to the American indians.

Palestine was never a country.
I realize you are referring to yet another liberal history revision map - but that doesn't make it true.
There was never a Palestine country.

 

[YoursTruly]

Boundaries defined in the 1947 UN Partition Plan for Palestine:

Blue Area assigned for a Jewish state
Tan & Green Area assigned for an Arab state
Gray & Pink Planned Corpus separatum with the intention that Jerusalem would be neither Jewish nor Arab

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Armistice Demarcation Lines of 1949 (Green Line):

Blue, Tan and Gray Israeli controlled territory from 1949
Pink & Green Egyptian and Jordanian controlled territory from 1948 until 1967

 

[YoursTruly]

We've done nothing of the sort.

The hell we didn't.

Stop apologizing for baby killers.

Stop lying.

There never has been a nation called Palestine.

I didn't say it was as nation.

The Arabs that live in Israel are refugees from other nations. Nations that could not stomach their crazy.

And have been there since before the ottoman empire.

 

[Darkwind]

The hell we didn't.


Stop lying.



I didn't say it was as nation.


And have been there since before the ottoman empire.

Continue to apologize for the baby killing.

You are the one lying.

 

[YoursTruly]

Continue to apologize for the baby killing.

You are the one lying.

I'm not apologizing for anyone harming anyone else. You're flat out lying.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Personally, I was going for Ishmael, but thanks.

What hamas did doesn't really have a basis in Genisis ... or even Exodus

What Ishmael? What Genesis? What Exodus?

Hamas's actions have a basis in Islam being created as an imitation of Christianity, Jew hatred totally included, in the 7th Century.

Muslims may have borrowed Everything from Judaism but they are nothing but barbarians who have never grown out of the 7th century and what Mohammad did to the three Jewish tribes in Arabia.

 

[Sixties Fan]

The hell we didn't.


Stop lying.



I didn't say it was as nation.


And have been there since before the ottoman empire.

Most Arabs migrated to the land due to Jews returning to the Land of Israel and starting business and creating jobs from around 1880 on.
There have always been Jews returning to their homeland, but it became more accentuated in the early 1800s when Jews realized that Europe was not ever allow them to be equal with all others and stop the pogroms and persecution.


In other words, most of the people who are now in Gaza are descendants of Arabs who came into the region of Palestine because of jobs offered by Jews and became basically trapped in Gaza thanks to Egypt taking over Gaza in 1948.

Egypt never saw to their needs, never brought electricity to the area, never was there any discussion or revolt by the Arabs in Gaza of any Independent State of their own.

Before Egypt lost Gaza in 1967, Arafat and others in Moscow decided on the name for their nationality. Palestinian. The word had been dropped by the Jews once the Mandate for Palestine ended.


One can say that Arabs have been around since before the Ottoman Empire. True. But only because Arabs invaded the area in the 7th Century and not because they can be considered indigenous to the land.


Arabs are not indigenous to any area but the Arabian Peninsula.

NOt to Lebanon, Syria, Egypt, Iraq, Morocco, Lybia, Tunisia, or any other country which is not has had a majority Arab since the Arab conquest of all of those lands from their indigenous people.

The only reason we do not see conflicts in all of those other areas is because the minority indigenous people have no power at all against their majority rulers, which is no different from what happens in Australia, anywhere in the Americas, and other parts of the New World.



Jews are fighting for survival since 1920 when the Arabs started to refuse any Jewish Nation to be recreated.


Why? Because they consider any and all land ever conquered by any Muslim to be part of Islam. Period.


That is why Hamas did what it did on Saturday.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

I'm not apologizing for anyone harming anyone else. You're flat out lying.

You opened up your post with two big whoppers.

You are the liar here.