Putting the Palestine and Israeli feud into perspective.

[Rigby5]

As far as I am concerned, Israel was recognized early in the 20th century in a land where no country existed. It was effective and legally recognized in 1948 and 1949 by the United Nation. It is settled international law. They are a country with all the rights of self defense and to exist as any other country, and has been for over 75 years. The Palestinians can just go pound sand or be pounded into the sand, by Israel defending their right to exist. I support Israel and the Jewish people.

Totally wrong.
Go look up the British Mandate for Palestine, from the Treaty of San Remo in 1920.
A "mandate" means an obligation, the British were required to set up Palestine as a self governing and independent country.
It was a legal obligation for the help the Palestinians gave the Allies against the Ottoman Empire in WWI, with Lawrence of Arabia.
So when you say "in a land where no country existed", that is entirely wrong.
Palestine existed as a country since 1920.

In 1948 the UN partitioned Palestine into 2 countries, Israel and Palestine, but that is of questionable legality.
And it certainly then was illegal for Israel to violate the UN partition in 1967.

 

[Rigby5]

What kind of word is Jerusalem, child?

Since you are completely ignorant and just repeating the talking points of hate sites, let me tell you. It is a HEBREW word. In addition, there is an uninterrupted Jewish presence there going back three millennium.

WRONG!
Jerusalem is a Canaanite word.
It has nothing at all to do with Hebrew!
And in fact, the Hebrew started being called Jewish due to their invasion of Jerusalem around 1000 BC.
Look at a map and you will see that name like Jerusalem, Jordan, etc., are Canaanite and predate the Hebrew invasion by over 3000 years.

And it is a lie to claim any significant Jewish presence.
They invaded and defeated the Canaanites around 1000 BC, but then were themselves defeated by the Assyrians by 850 BC.
The Jews tried again, but then were later defeated again by the Babylonians who removed them entirely.
They were gone during the Greek occupation for 500 years.
The Romans brought them back only to kick them out again around 60 AD.
So the Jewish presence is minor, not at all contiguous, and highly disruptive and unstable.
Nor are there any significant Jews in the area from 60 AD to 1930 AD.

 

[Rigby5]

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The invasion of Jerusalem and the West Bank in 1967 was totally illegal.
It violated the very UN order that created Israel, so then all of Israel was forfeit.

 

[Rigby5]

But, we'd move past attempted genocide since then. The Israelis, with all their moral equivalencies, were simply not massacring civilians, but when Hamas uses the Palestinians for "cover," they would not consider that an appropriate "tactic."

Wrong.
Zionist were "massacring civilians" before there was an Israel.
Go look up the "massacre of Deir Yassin" in 1946.
And if that is not enough, look up when Menachim Begin blew up the King David Hotel in 1946.

 

[Rigby5]

It was never a country. It was a mandate administered by The British. It was subsequently partitioned into Israel and Jordan.

Wrong.
A "mandate" IS a country.
What "mandate" means it that the British were required to administer the country of Palestine until they could do it all on their own.
The original Trans-Jordan was divided into Palestine which was the British Mandate, and Jordan, which was the French mandate.
Palestine was not divided into Palestine and Israel until the UN acted in 1948.

 

[Rigby5]

Where in the UN Charter does it grant the power to create nations, or set national borders to the UNSC. They have no military to enforce anything as they must rely on member states to enforce their binding resolutions. The vote on the partition plan was only a non-binding resolution. Modern Israel was created by Jewish settlers with weapons. It was not given to them by the UN. They fought for it. It was kill or be killed after that GA vote too.

And that is the problem.
The Jewish settlers are not legal.
Nor have they ever been more than a third of the population.
The majority native have always been Moslem.

And who has the most weapons is never legal.
The US illegally gave Israel all our surplus WWII weapons.

 

[AZrailwhale]

There was a non binding UN General Assembly vote on the partition plan that was rejected by all the Arab nations in 1947. The UNGA didn't have the authority to carve out countries and establish nations borders. I'm not too sure the UNSC had that power either but in never came to that because the war pretty much started after that vote. Of course it didn't become official until England quit the Mandate, Israel declared it's independence, and the Arab nations declared war. Battles had already been raging before those declarations.

The fighting was going on before the vote even happened. The Arabs put Jerusalem under siege in 1947 and blocked all access including food and medical supplies.

 

[Rigby5]

They had the power because they had taken over the old League of Nations Mandate that was made after World War One.

The end result and the fact of the matter is the Arabs States lost then, they kept losing, and the situation today stems from those losses, the 1948 one in particular.

Wrong.
The Treaty of San Remo was concluded before the Leage of Nations was created and had nothing to do with the League of Nations.
It was separate negotiation of the participants of WW1.
It was an addition to the Treaty of Versailles.

 

[Rigby5]

The fighting was going on before the vote even happened. The Arabs put Jerusalem under siege in 1947 and blocked all access including food and medical supplies.

Wrong.
The Old Jewish quarter rebelled, the Jordanians beat them, and made them leave without harming them.

 

[Hossfly]

This just in.


HAMAS OUTLAWS HOVERBOARDS!

 

[AZrailwhale]

They had the power because they had taken over the old League of Nations Mandate that was made after World War One.

The end result and the fact of the matter is the Arabs States lost then, they kept losing, and the situation today stems from those losses, the 1948 one in particular.

It was more than just the Middle East, all of the German colonies in the Pacific and Africa were taken by the victors as well. That is what happens when you lose a war. After WWII Germany lost territory, as did Finland and Japan. This idea that territory conquered in war can’t be kept seems to only be applied to Israel, the UN certainly didn’t apply it to Russia or China in the past fifty years or so.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Shades of the Zimmerman Telegarm.

If Mexico had gone to war with the US in 1914, there would be no Mexico today.

 

[martybegan]

Wrong.
The Treaty of San Remo was concluded before the Leage of Nations was created and had nothing to do with the League of Nations.
It was separate negotiation of the participants of WW1.
It was an addition to the Treaty of Versailles.

it was a League mandate caused by the treaties.

 

[martybegan]

It was more than just the Middle East, all of the German colonies in the Pacific and Africa were taken by the victors as well. That is what happens when you lose a war. After WWII Germany lost territory, as did Finland and Japan. This idea that territory conquered in war can’t be kept seems to only be applied to Israel, the UN certainly didn’t apply it to Russia or China in the past fifty years or so.

Add in what happened after WWII with all the Germans being moved into what remained of Germany.

 

[martybegan]

If Mexico had gone to war with the US in 1914, there would be no Mexico today.

Probably true, and I think the Zimmerman Telegram was 1916 wasn't it?

 

[CowboyTed]

Palestine was a country.

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The Brits and the UN came in a divided up the land and made Israel. They gave most of Palestine to the Jews, calling it Israel. Because people will self segregate, everyone was divided. After WW2, millions more jews were put there. Forcing Palestinians to get shoved back even more.

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This in itself is what has done more to cause the problems than the religious aspect.

This is the work of UN.

Palestinians just want their damn country back. Hamas, as evil as they are, (and they're not god damn evil and should be slaughtered for being so evil) are the worst of the worst. And making this probably much worse than it should be. But being all shoved into such a small area, losing their country, are acting like most people would.

Imagine the US forcing Americans to all move to the west coast so that Europeans could occupy the rest of the USA. We wouldn't stand for it. We did it to the American indians.

So it looks like the British Colony model....

Invade a place, pick one group and make them more favoured and get them to oppress all the others... That way you keep control with the least amount of effort...

This is a common model all over the British Empire. Also divide countries up so they are even more divided (so enemy tribes have to work together). Knowing that they will find it hard to get anything done.

Brits were really good at that and when they left, the first thing they had is a civil war..

 

[BlindBoo]

The fighting was going on before the vote even happened. The Arabs put Jerusalem under siege in 1947 and blocked all access including food and medical supplies.

That's true. But after the UN vote the war effort became more organized and much more of a land grab, hold the land, and expel most all of the Arabs for the upcoming announcement of the new state of Israel after the UK quit their Mandate.

 

[BlindBoo]

And that is the problem.
The Jewish settlers are not legal.

So the Palestinians could move in on some unoccupied land in Israel with a few RV's and declare themselves a new, valid, an legal Muslim Settlement?

Uh-huh. Tell me more......

 

[BlindBoo]

This idea that territory conquered in war can’t be kept seems to only be applied to Israel, the UN certainly didn’t apply it to Russia or China in the past fifty years or so.

It is a theory, however reality lies with the ability to hold the ground and defend it with military force. Always has been.

 

[Soupnazi630]

And that is the problem.
The Jewish settlers are not legal.
Nor have they ever been more than a third of the population.
The majority native have always been Moslem.

And who has the most weapons is never legal.
The US illegally gave Israel all our surplus WWII weapons.

The jewish settlers are legal and we did not give them all our surplius weapons.

We gave them some not all and it was legal to give them those weapons

You are a fucking idiot