Putin rings in a new era of Russian military dominance

[Picaro]

People often confuse the words "aggression" with "dominance". Russia is just the bully on the school bus and Barry Hussein comes off as the nerd. In reality the Russian drunks can't even dominate the defenseless Ukraine. It's all show.

Yes, this. McCain was right about Russia being just a gas station pretending to be Super power. Even if the Op were true, merely jamming stuff isn't enough to keep you from getting the crap bombed out of you. It just means more bombs being dropped randomly via area saturation as opposed to precision attacks that cause less civilian deaths and the like. Saying it makes them 'dominant' is just ridiculous. It was all the rage some time back to tout up Russia's 'big giant tank force', never mind the vast majority of them are in a huge junkyard and useless. lol

 

[Bleipriester]

Nor am I suggestion they never had people who were in elected office. The citizens of a country have the right to choose their leaders.... that includes people you don't like.

Why Yanukovych and his Party of Regions are not allowed then? Only Nato slave parties are allowed. And they are all little Nazis, passing laws forcing the people to praise Bandera.

Yanukovych was elected. He was elected on an EU platform.

He was allowed. He was elected.

The problem is, he completely reversed the entire direction of the nation, when the nation didn't want to go in reverse.

The EU trade treaty was in the works for literally years. Yanukovych promised to complete the treaty.

Just a few days before the Association Agreement with the EU was supposed to be passed, Yanukovych completely suspended the agreement, and said they would instead purse closer ties with Russia.... exactly the opposite of what the public wanted.

How dumb can you be? Why do you think they ran him out of office? He promised one thing, and then tried to give them the complete opposite.

The public voted him in, on the grounds he would complete the treaty, and create economic ties to the EU.

He suspended the treaty, and started pushing economic ties with Russia. The exact opposite of what the public asked for.

Yes, he was run out of the country, and he should have been. If you voted for me, and elected me to office on the grounds I was pass a treaty with Russia, and create economic ties with Russia, and a few months later, suspended all treaties with Russia, and pushed for economic ties with the EU....

You would be upset. You would run me out of the country. And you would be right to do that.

Well the Ukraine people have a right as well. You need to grow up. Stop thinking like a child.

What you are doing is desperately defending a Nazi coup, Nato imperialism. You have no idea what it means to a country that is almost bankrupt and rescued by Russian loans to reshape the economy. It cannot be done. You see, the land is a mess now, the treaty is not in force!

Why Economies Of Ukraine and Russia Are Almost Inseparable

 

[Bleipriester]

People often confuse the words "aggression" with "dominance". Russia is just the bully on the school bus and Barry Hussein comes off as the nerd. In reality the Russian drunks can't even dominate the defenseless Ukraine. It's all show.

Yes, this. McCain was right about Russia being just a gas station pretending to be Super power. Even if the Op were true, merely jamming stuff isn't enough to keep you from getting the crap bombed out of you. It just means more bombs being dropped randomly via area saturation as opposed to precision attacks that cause less civilian deaths and the like. Saying it makes them 'dominant' is just ridiculous. It was all the rage some time back to tout up Russia's 'big giant tank force', never mind the vast majority of them are in a huge junkyard and useless. lol

Very sorry but the bully got a bloody nose delivered by the gas station.

 

[Decus]

Funny how we forget Putin's invasion of Georgia.

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[Decus]

 

[Bleipriester]

Funny how we forget Putin's invasion of Georgia.

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Funny how you forget your endless invasions while blaming others for rejecting Nato aggression in Georgia.

 

[Bleipriester]

 

[Decus]

 

[Decus]

 

[Decus]

Putin's motivations are clear:

"Russia's President Vladimir Putin has described the collapse of the Soviet Union as "the greatest geopolitical catastrophe" of the 20th century."

BBC NEWS | Europe | Putin deplores collapse of USSR

Putin invades Georgia, Crimea, Ukraine and carpet bombs Syria to remind himself of the good old days "back in the USSR".

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[DrainBamage]

Lets hope the world never has to figure that out. However, Nato is currently jammed.

No they aren't.

An unremarkable wingtip ECM pod being overhyped by questionable sources doesn't equate to NATO being jammed. This story about them jamming Cook has been floating around for a couple years now, the details have never been verified other than internet sources referencing each other, and the alleged facts don't stand up to scrutiny. The Russians have jamming pods, and the US has jamming pods. The US has far more advanced ECM capabilities and a lot more experience using them in combat than the Russians.

To believe a jamming pod tips the balance of military power to a country with a still crippled blue water navy and very little global power projection capabilities is absurd.

 

[Bleipriester]

Lets hope the world never has to figure that out. However, Nato is currently jammed.

No they aren't.

An unremarkable wingtip ECM pod being overhyped by questionable sources doesn't equate to NATO being jammed. This story about them jamming Cook has been floating around for a couple years now, the details have never been verified other than internet sources referencing each other, and the alleged facts don't stand up to scrutiny. The Russians have jamming pods, and the US has jamming pods. The US has far more advanced ECM capabilities and a lot more experience using them in combat than the Russians.

To believe a jamming pod tips the balance of military power to a country with a still crippled blue water navy and very little global power projection capabilities is absurd.

4 Su 30, 8 Su 34 and 4 Su 35, 16 planes successfully defend Syria from 60 countries´ Nato aggression. Western military supremacy is an illusion. Syrian and Russian jets crush western backed terrorists, the new outsourced Nato aggression forces.

"(Sputnik) The US-led international coalition has been systematically bombing the Syrian infrastructure since 2012 and has not targeted ISIL-held oil facilities, the Russian Defense Ministry’s spokesman Maj. Gen. Igor Konashenkov said on Wednesday.

“Outgoing CIA head Brennan is well aware of the fact that long before the start of the Russian campaign, the international coalition has been systematically destroying Syria’s economic infrastructure to weaken the legitimate government as much as possible, heedless of burdens for civilians resulting in millions of refugees,” he said.

The ministry’s statement comes after CIA chief John Brennan accused Moscow of using “scorched-earth” policy in Syria.

“Surprisingly, the coalition has not attacked oil facilities captured by ISIL, which allowed the terrorists to make tens of millions of dollars per month through illicit oil trade and recruit mercenaries from all over the world,” Konashenkov added.

“Sooner or later one will be held accountable for it. That is why Mr Brennan’s attempt to cushion the blow will hardly help. John Brennan is well aware of the real results of Russia’s actions in Syria,” the Russian official said.

Thanks to the Russian Aerospace Forces, over 12,000 square kilometers of Syrian land and 499 settlements have been liberated, 35,000 militants including 204 commanders have been eliminated. “But the main outcome is that, without the outgoing [US] administration, without CIA, a ceasefire agreement was signed on December 30,” the spokesman stressed.

Both Washington and Moscow have been conducting military operations against terrorists in the war-torn country. The US-led international coalition of more than 60 members has been carrying out airstrikes against ISILtargets in Iraq and Syria since August and September 2014 respectively. Russia began its own operation in September 2015 at the request of Syrian government."

US Coalition systematically destroying Syrian infrastructure since 2012: Russian MoD

 

[DrainBamage]

Hmmm I'm not sure if you understand how the quoting feature of a message board works. When quoting someone else's post, it is assumed you are responding to what they said. Quoting my pointing out that a Russian wingtip ECM pod isn't some unique technological marvel that blinds NATO while responding with a completely unrelated propaganda piece making unfounded claims about coalition attacks on Syrian infrastructure = you're doing it wrong. What you have doesn't back up your naive beliefs about Russian electronic countermeasure technology.

The only way what you responded with relates to my post is if you're attempting to further demonstrate you know nothing about military hardware or maybe that you believe anything you read.

The only Russian planes that have been engaged by western forces in the region is a Turkish F-16 splashing one into the desert with an AMRAAM.

 

[Andylusion]

Nor am I suggestion they never had people who were in elected office. The citizens of a country have the right to choose their leaders.... that includes people you don't like.

Why Yanukovych and his Party of Regions are not allowed then? Only Nato slave parties are allowed. And they are all little Nazis, passing laws forcing the people to praise Bandera.

Yanukovych was elected. He was elected on an EU platform.

He was allowed. He was elected.

The problem is, he completely reversed the entire direction of the nation, when the nation didn't want to go in reverse.

The EU trade treaty was in the works for literally years. Yanukovych promised to complete the treaty.

Just a few days before the Association Agreement with the EU was supposed to be passed, Yanukovych completely suspended the agreement, and said they would instead purse closer ties with Russia.... exactly the opposite of what the public wanted.

How dumb can you be? Why do you think they ran him out of office? He promised one thing, and then tried to give them the complete opposite.

The public voted him in, on the grounds he would complete the treaty, and create economic ties to the EU.

He suspended the treaty, and started pushing economic ties with Russia. The exact opposite of what the public asked for.

Yes, he was run out of the country, and he should have been. If you voted for me, and elected me to office on the grounds I was pass a treaty with Russia, and create economic ties with Russia, and a few months later, suspended all treaties with Russia, and pushed for economic ties with the EU....

You would be upset. You would run me out of the country. And you would be right to do that.

Well the Ukraine people have a right as well. You need to grow up. Stop thinking like a child.

What you are doing is desperately defending a Nazi coup, Nato imperialism. You have no idea what it means to a country that is almost bankrupt and rescued by Russian loans to reshape the economy. It cannot be done. You see, the land is a mess now, the treaty is not in force!

Why Economies Of Ukraine and Russia Are Almost Inseparable

But it's not a coup. It was a protest by the people of the country. They forced out Yanukovych.

And yes, I am defending that, because it was their choice. Are you saying the people don't have a right to determine who rules over them, when they are the ones who vote?

And again, I already went over who the leadership was of the Ukraine government. They were not Nazis. Every time you say that, you just make yourself a liar.

Why should any of us listen to the opinion of a liar? Stop lying. You are discrediting yourself. Don't give yourself the reputation of a liar, because no one will care what you say anymore. And when no one cares what you say, you will be ignored.

Now I agree that Ukraine borrowed money from Russia, and that the Ukraine government finances is a mess. And I will also agree that most of Ukraine's problems are their own doing. It is a mess.

But that doesn't mean that you can just decide to roll tanks into Ukraine, and land troops in Crimea and annex it. Sorry, but life doesn't work that way. If you borrow money, and can't pay back your loans, that doesn't mean I can grab a gun, and walk into your house, and confiscate it.

Just because Mexico has a bunch of problems, doesn't mean we start rolling tanks into Mexico and claiming we own it now.

That is childish thinking. Grow up.

 

[Bleipriester]

Nor am I suggestion they never had people who were in elected office. The citizens of a country have the right to choose their leaders.... that includes people you don't like.

Why Yanukovych and his Party of Regions are not allowed then? Only Nato slave parties are allowed. And they are all little Nazis, passing laws forcing the people to praise Bandera.

Yanukovych was elected. He was elected on an EU platform.

He was allowed. He was elected.

The problem is, he completely reversed the entire direction of the nation, when the nation didn't want to go in reverse.

The EU trade treaty was in the works for literally years. Yanukovych promised to complete the treaty.

Just a few days before the Association Agreement with the EU was supposed to be passed, Yanukovych completely suspended the agreement, and said they would instead purse closer ties with Russia.... exactly the opposite of what the public wanted.

How dumb can you be? Why do you think they ran him out of office? He promised one thing, and then tried to give them the complete opposite.

The public voted him in, on the grounds he would complete the treaty, and create economic ties to the EU.

He suspended the treaty, and started pushing economic ties with Russia. The exact opposite of what the public asked for.

Yes, he was run out of the country, and he should have been. If you voted for me, and elected me to office on the grounds I was pass a treaty with Russia, and create economic ties with Russia, and a few months later, suspended all treaties with Russia, and pushed for economic ties with the EU....

You would be upset. You would run me out of the country. And you would be right to do that.

Well the Ukraine people have a right as well. You need to grow up. Stop thinking like a child.

What you are doing is desperately defending a Nazi coup, Nato imperialism. You have no idea what it means to a country that is almost bankrupt and rescued by Russian loans to reshape the economy. It cannot be done. You see, the land is a mess now, the treaty is not in force!

Why Economies Of Ukraine and Russia Are Almost Inseparable

But it's not a coup. It was a protest by the people of the country. They forced out Yanukovych.

And yes, I am defending that, because it was their choice. Are you saying the people don't have a right to determine who rules over them, when they are the ones who vote?

And again, I already went over who the leadership was of the Ukraine government. They were not Nazis. Every time you say that, you just make yourself a liar.

Why should any of us listen to the opinion of a liar? Stop lying. You are discrediting yourself. Don't give yourself the reputation of a liar, because no one will care what you say anymore. And when no one cares what you say, you will be ignored.

Now I agree that Ukraine borrowed money from Russia, and that the Ukraine government finances is a mess. And I will also agree that most of Ukraine's problems are their own doing. It is a mess.

But that doesn't mean that you can just decide to roll tanks into Ukraine, and land troops in Crimea and annex it. Sorry, but life doesn't work that way. If you borrow money, and can't pay back your loans, that doesn't mean I can grab a gun, and walk into your house, and confiscate it.

Just because Mexico has a bunch of problems, doesn't mean we start rolling tanks into Mexico and claiming we own it now.

That is childish thinking. Grow up.

Nonsense. If the people wanted the government out, they would not have elected it, right? It was an US initiated and directed Nazi coup.

 

[rdean]

Funny how the US can invade Iraq and Afganistan, conduct covert drone wars (not so covert any more though,) assassinate terror suspects in countries we're supposedly friendly with as with the ObL murder, but that doesn't change the global balance of power.

But Russia drops a few bombs and suddenly everything's changed.

You left out 9/11.

Are you Russian?

Or Republican?

Well, these days, there is hardly a difference.

 

[rdean]

I had no idea Russian Poodles came in different colors.

 

[Andylusion]

Nor am I suggestion they never had people who were in elected office. The citizens of a country have the right to choose their leaders.... that includes people you don't like.

Why Yanukovych and his Party of Regions are not allowed then? Only Nato slave parties are allowed. And they are all little Nazis, passing laws forcing the people to praise Bandera.

Yanukovych was elected. He was elected on an EU platform.

He was allowed. He was elected.

The problem is, he completely reversed the entire direction of the nation, when the nation didn't want to go in reverse.

The EU trade treaty was in the works for literally years. Yanukovych promised to complete the treaty.

Just a few days before the Association Agreement with the EU was supposed to be passed, Yanukovych completely suspended the agreement, and said they would instead purse closer ties with Russia.... exactly the opposite of what the public wanted.

How dumb can you be? Why do you think they ran him out of office? He promised one thing, and then tried to give them the complete opposite.

The public voted him in, on the grounds he would complete the treaty, and create economic ties to the EU.

He suspended the treaty, and started pushing economic ties with Russia. The exact opposite of what the public asked for.

Yes, he was run out of the country, and he should have been. If you voted for me, and elected me to office on the grounds I was pass a treaty with Russia, and create economic ties with Russia, and a few months later, suspended all treaties with Russia, and pushed for economic ties with the EU....

You would be upset. You would run me out of the country. And you would be right to do that.

Well the Ukraine people have a right as well. You need to grow up. Stop thinking like a child.

What you are doing is desperately defending a Nazi coup, Nato imperialism. You have no idea what it means to a country that is almost bankrupt and rescued by Russian loans to reshape the economy. It cannot be done. You see, the land is a mess now, the treaty is not in force!

Why Economies Of Ukraine and Russia Are Almost Inseparable

But it's not a coup. It was a protest by the people of the country. They forced out Yanukovych.

And yes, I am defending that, because it was their choice. Are you saying the people don't have a right to determine who rules over them, when they are the ones who vote?

And again, I already went over who the leadership was of the Ukraine government. They were not Nazis. Every time you say that, you just make yourself a liar.

Why should any of us listen to the opinion of a liar? Stop lying. You are discrediting yourself. Don't give yourself the reputation of a liar, because no one will care what you say anymore. And when no one cares what you say, you will be ignored.

Now I agree that Ukraine borrowed money from Russia, and that the Ukraine government finances is a mess. And I will also agree that most of Ukraine's problems are their own doing. It is a mess.

But that doesn't mean that you can just decide to roll tanks into Ukraine, and land troops in Crimea and annex it. Sorry, but life doesn't work that way. If you borrow money, and can't pay back your loans, that doesn't mean I can grab a gun, and walk into your house, and confiscate it.

Just because Mexico has a bunch of problems, doesn't mean we start rolling tanks into Mexico and claiming we own it now.

That is childish thinking. Grow up.

Nonsense. If the people wanted the government out, they would not have elected it, right? It was an US initiated and directed Nazi coup.

They didn't vote for that government.

Yanukovych ran on a platform of increasing EU ties, and ratifying the trade agreement with the EU.

That is what he ran on. That is what he promised to do. That is what the people voted for.

If he had been honest, and ran on a platform of ditching the EU, and increasing ties with Russia, the public never would have voted for him.

When he completely violated every single promise he made during his election, he violated the trust and support of the people. So the people kicked him out.

It was not caused by the Americans. You'd have to be an idiot to think that.

We had no need or desire to oppose Yanukovych, leading up to the change in policy. He was pro-EU. Why would we start a coup against someone that was pro-EU? Even just the months before the protests, he was personally urging the government to pass legislation to meet EU requirements.

It wasn't until November 21, 2013, that we even knew Yanukovych intended to suspend the EU Agreement. The protests against Yanukovych started on that very day.

Now you are telling me, that the US is so amazingly powerful, that we can cause millions of people across the Ukraine to suddenly all in mass, start protesting across the entire country? We have that much power?

Why don't we just do that in Russia and China and Iran, and overthrow all the world?

I mean that's incredible.... we can mobilize millions of people, on the opposite side of the planet, in literally just a couple of hours? That's Deity powers. You should praying to us, as your defacto Omnipresent omniscient, supreme being.

And this by the way, is the same government that can't manage to get the VA to give a cat-scan in under a year.... but we can topple foriegn governments in mere minutes!!!

Yeah.... not much proof... not much evidence... tons of accusations and hearsay.

 

[Bleipriester]

They didn't vote for that government.

Yanukovych ran on a platform of increasing EU ties, and ratifying the trade agreement with the EU.

That is what he ran on. That is what he promised to do. That is what the people voted for.

If he had been honest, and ran on a platform of ditching the EU, and increasing ties with Russia, the public never would have voted for him.

When he completely violated every single promise he made during his election, he violated the trust and support of the people. So the people kicked him out.

It was not caused by the Americans. You'd have to be an idiot to think that.

We had no need or desire to oppose Yanukovych, leading up to the change in policy. He was pro-EU. Why would we start a coup against someone that was pro-EU? Even just the months before the protests, he was personally urging the government to pass legislation to meet EU requirements.

It wasn't until November 21, 2013, that we even knew Yanukovych intended to suspend the EU Agreement. The protests against Yanukovych started on that very day.

A major principle of democracy is that there are elections. If the people wanted to be ruled by western puppet thugs, they would have elected them. They did so before and it was a very bad idea as corruption and mafia were on the increase.
Ukraine - Corruption

The government has changed its opinion of the Association agreement because it would have run the country into trouble as the economy is interweaved with the Russian and not the EU economy.

Now you are telling me, that the US is so amazingly powerful, that we can cause millions of people across the Ukraine to suddenly all in mass, start protesting across the entire country? We have that much power?

No, the nazi coup was carried out by a few thousand nazis. The nazi coup was disguised as just revolution by western puppet media. By now, I will add the nazis to each post so you will look like an idiot each time you repeat your propaganda nonsense.

There is enough proof. I have posted it and you ignore it just to say there is none. What base of arguing is that?

"The Obama administration has vehemently denied charges that Ukraine's nascent regime is stock full of neo-fascists despite clear evidence suggesting otherwise. Such categorical repudiations lend credence to the notion the U.S. facilitated the anti-Russian cabal's rise to power as part of a broader strategy to draw Ukraine into the West's sphere of influence. Even more disturbing are apologists, from the American left and right, who seem willing accomplices in this obfuscation of reality, when just a cursory glance at the profiles of Ukraine's new leaders should give pause to the most zealous of Russophobes."
The Neo-Nazi Question in Ukraine | The Huffington Post

 

[tinydancer]

I'm tired of the freaking fairy tales that this was a peaceful protest movement to change governments. Bullshit. It was a violent coup entirely backed by the US, NATO and the EU.

Even the NYT's has admitted that the deal Russia was offering Ukraine was a far better one than what they got from the EU.

Too bad. So sad. Stupid fools didn't read the fine print and the economy is getting flushed down the toilet because the EU quotas have come into effect and are crushing the agriculture sector in particular.

Crimea is doing fairly well. Also sick and tired of hearing about the "invasion" of Crimea. That's another whopper. Crimea asked for Russian protection from the nazi lovers in Kiev.

I wish people would stop lying. It's really getting old.

Ukraine's Crimea Region Asks Russia For Protection
Ukraine's Crimea Region Asks Russia For Protection

Ukraine's Crimea Region Asks Russia For Protection