Prof fired for showing picture of Muhammad

[XponentialChaos]

Hyperbole. There is a huge difference between calling you an asshole and seeing your five o'clock shadowed face and referring to you as Mister Chaos.

Neither of those is related to curriculum, is the point that you can’t understand.

Whether the instructor calls people assholes or the wrong pronoun or mispronounces someone’s name is completely unrelated to the material that the instructor is teaching. The instructor is still there to teach the same material. The material doesn’t change.

 

[XponentialChaos]

Latching onto your hypotheticals .. if Billy, now Beth, creates the new widget to cure cancer .. and is in future history books .. well ..

Make it more challenging next time.

Then Billy’s pronoun would be minimally relevant. The work done and impacts of the cure for cancer might be slightly more relevant. Maybe.

How is the preferred pronoun of Billy (the student) going to impact the curriculum?

 

[jotathought]

Then Billy’s pronoun would be minimally relevant.

How is the preferred pronoun of Billy (the student) going to impact the curriculum?

Are you a parrot?

There are no preferred pronouns. You're either male or female by birth, and to suggest otherwise is foolish -- and interrupting the delivery of the curriculum.

 

[Delldude]

Are you a parrot?

There are no preferred pronouns. You're either male or female by birth, and to suggest otherwise is foolish -- and interrupting the delivery of the curriculum.

I prefer Yo', Dude and Bro'

 

[XponentialChaos]

Are you a parrot?

There are no preferred pronouns. You're either male or female by birth, and to suggest otherwise is foolish -- and interrupting the delivery of the curriculum.

I didn’t suggest otherwise. I asked why a person wishing to be addressed differently would impact the material taught.

 

[jotathought]

I prefer Yo', Dude and Bro'

Arguing about preferred pronouns is unproductive .. do you have a penis or a vagina? Settled .. male or female.

 

[Blaster]

Christians have pictures and statues of Jesus and other biblical personages displayed inside their churches.

Why is that a problem?

 

[Delldude]

Arguing about preferred pronouns is unproductive .. do you have a penis or a vagina? Settled .. male or female.

Be right back, not sure anymore.....

 

[jotathought]

I didn’t suggest otherwise. I asked why a person wishing to be addressed differently would impact the material taught.

Current state, it generates conversation distracting the delivery of the curriculum (as your having to attempt to sell the concept), and already includes concepts of gender identity and fluidity.... longer term, we'll see the "Billy's" as topics in the curriculum. There will always be battles on the proper use of pronouns, and the slippery slope will eventually lead to punitive measures for "mis identification" ...

 

[jotathought]

Be right back, not sure anymore.....

Look for a sausage or taco, and do you sit or stand to pee?

 

[XponentialChaos]

Current state, it generates conversation distracting the delivery of the curriculum …

Anything can do that. The instructor should be able to focus the class on the curriculum instead. There are always going to be challenges. The material taught is still the same.

Does Billy wishing to be referred to as “her” change the material that the instructor is tasked with teaching? You guys keep spinning your wheels without addressing this.

“It makes the teacher’s job hard” isn’t a change in the curriculum that is expected to be taught. It’s just a minor inconvenience at worst, about as inconvenient as having a student with a difficult name to pronounce. Not a big deal. And more importantly, not an impact on the curriculum itself.

 

[Sunni Man]

Why is that a problem?

I didn't say that is was.
Just pointing out they ignore the Bible scriptures.

 

[jotathought]

Anything can do that. The instructor should be able to focus the class on the curriculum instead. There are always going to be challenges. The material taught is still the same.

Does Billy wishing to be referred to as “her” change the material that the instructor is tasked with teaching? You guys keep spinning your wheels without addressing this.

“It makes the teacher’s job hard” isn’t a change in the curriculum that is expected to be taught. It’s just a minor inconvenience at worst, about as inconvenient as having a student with a difficult name to pronounce. Not a big deal. And more importantly, not an impact on the curriculum itself.

You keep shifting your narrative .. again .. there are no preferred pronouns .. Billy is a male, and may have mental challenges with thinking he is otherwise. Regardless .. Billy is always a male. You keep repeating it's not a big deal .. and I disagree. It is a big deal that its becoming socially acceptable for men to pretend to be women ..

 

[XponentialChaos]

Regardless .. Billy is always a male. You keep repeating it's not a big deal .. and I disagree.

How does Billy requesting to be referred to as “she” change the curriculum that is expected to be taught? You still haven’t answered this.

Suppose Billy says that he wants to be called Susan. Does that change what the math instructor is expected to teach? Does that change what the chemistry teacher is expected to teach? Does that change what the art teacher is expected to teach?

It’s a big deal to you. It still doesn’t change the curriculum. You can just say this instead of spinning around in circles like you have been doing.

 

[Delldude]

How about it changes the way the curriculum is presented.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I think the size of the university is hilarious. I taught at a high school with twice as many students as that "university".

 

[RetiredGySgt]

If it doesn't affect the curriculum, then why should a professor be fired for not bothering to learn everyone's "preferred pronouns"...or even their names?

That is not their job.

But it is her job as a religious art professor to understand that it is forbidden by Islam to produce or display images of The Prophet. She even proved she possessed this knowledge by acknowledging the prohibition in her syllabus.

Using your own assertions you have proven the professor that displayed the image SHOULD have been fired for using poor judgement and those that use the wrong pronouns should not.

Sunni Muslims do not agree they do not ascribe to that belief. Art of the prophet is actually shown and made go figure you and the Muslims lied. Half of the Muslim world is not offended by art,

 

[surada]

Warned ahead of time, yet the student felt the need to attend anyway.
One can only assume to create false victimhood and unnecessary controversy.

If muslims aren't allowed to view Mohammad, how in the fuck do they even know what he looks like in order to be outraged?

Persian art used to include likenesses of Muhammad. The student is ignorant.

 

[surada]

Even the Bible says in Exodus 20:4-5 "Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image"
Basically talking about making people and animals as objects to be worshiped.
But the Christians ignore that verse and have pictures and statues of Jesus and other biblical personages displayed inside their churches.

People don't worship pictures.

 

[Blaster]

I didn't say that is was.
Just pointing out they ignore the Bible scriptures.

The Catholic church goes by the New Testament teachings and not the Old Testament teachings.