Pretti Shooting my opinion as a member of US Lawfare

[OldFlame]

Jan 6 included rioters who were actually assaulting police officers. Many of them had been physically beaten up and injured.

There’s reason to believe that if Byrd had allowed the violent rioters through, they would physically assault him, and worse yet, physically assault our elected officials.

Pretti did not assault anyone. He was pepper-sprayed, thrown to the ground, beaten up, disarmed, and then shot. That’s murder.

Bullshit, Babbit didn't assault anyone either, she had no weapon and she presented no imminent danger to anyone around her, let alone some thug a half a room away. She had nothing to do with letting anyone through. If Pretti is a bad shoot from a legal standpoint of when lethal force is allowed, then Babbit's is even worse. You're either honest or you're a partisan hack that only cares about your side 'winning'.

 

[Lockback]

Obviously you don’t know what the hell you’re talking about.

You brought up the legal definition. I just showed it to you.

What Pretti did was not assault by the legal definition.



“Shove” lol.

Yeah.
He was real peaceful. *








*Actually, he was a violent psycho.

 

[OldFlame]

Yeah.
He was real peaceful. *








*Actually, he was a violent psycho.

Yeah, he was a real sweetheart.

 

[Lockback]

Yeah, he was a real sweetheart.

B-b-b-but he was a nurse!!!

Yeah. A violent, crazed psycho nurse who hates law enforcement and twice in one week decided to attack them.
SPOILER ALERT: It didn't end well for him.

Oh well.

 

[citygator]

Not what I said. Pretti's gun was in the hand of the agent that took it from him. That agent turned away from the group that was trying to detain Pretti. The claim is that the gun went off by accident (as that model has been known to have uncommanded discharges) which prompted the other agents to fire on Pretti thinking he was shooting.

You seem to believe the agents just summarily executed Pretti for no reason which makes no sense. There was a reason those agents fired yet you refuse to consider anything but your hatred of ICE and Trump.

First shot was in his back.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Wonderful person!

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www.cnn.com

Just an innocent bi-stander trying to help a defenseless victim of ICE!

 

[Leo123]

First shot was in his back.

The first video shows the agent who took Pretti's gun walking away from the scuffle toward the camera. Pretti's gun is in his right hand which is blocked by the car. In other videos, you can see that gun go off just before the other officers shot. I posted a few videos where it looks like that gun went off. I also posted other videos that show that particular weapon is known for 'uncommanded' discharge. To me it makes sense that the officers shot after hearing that first shot. You, on the other hand, hate law enforcement so much you try to say they essentially executed Pretti with not proof other than 'Orange Man Bad.'

 

[Lockback]

The first video shows the agent who took Pretti's gun walking away from the scuffle toward the camera. Pretti's gun is in his right hand which is blocked by the car. In other videos, you can see that gun go off just before the other officers shot. I posted a few videos where it looks like that gun went off. I also posted other videos that show that particular weapon is known for 'uncommanded' discharge. To me it makes sense that the officers shot after hearing that first shot. You, on the other hand, hate law enforcement so much you try to say they essentially executed Pretti with not proof other than 'Orange Man Bad.'

The gun in question is a Sig P320, which has been linked to several unintentional discharges in the past couple of years. I watched a video last summer of somebody who tried to make the gun go off accidently (at a range, obviously) and he was successful virtually every, single time. Sig has not been very forthcoming on this for obvious reasons of sales and legal issues.
But it is a distinct possibility it played a role in this shooting.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

Someone yells ….Gun, gun, gun
You should be lookin at his hands not firing at his back

Go become an officer and show them how it's done.

But first, make sure you and your family get doxed, be harassed and battered, etc. by paid agitators of the local government for weeks.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

The first video shows the agent who took Pretti's gun walking away from the scuffle toward the camera. Pretti's gun is in his right hand which is blocked by the car. In other videos, you can see that gun go off just before the other officers shot. I posted a few videos where it looks like that gun went off. I also posted other videos that show that particular weapon is known for 'uncommanded' discharge. To me it makes sense that the officers shot after hearing that first shot. You, on the other hand, hate law enforcement so much you try to say they essentially executed Pretti with not proof other than 'Orange Man Bad.'

That's been a large narrative that makes sense. That gun is known to go off just like it seems to have. Dallas Police went out of their way to not let their officers use them. Of course, angry leftists who are performing theatre of rage in front of cameras don't care if that's the truth.

 

[westwall]

Without a gun in their hands?

Yup. Just because they gave up one doesn't mean they don't have another.

 

[WorldWatcher]

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#1 That person want in a “head lock “ that was one of the women he was one of the v women he was helping get away from ICE.

#2 That is not an image of him reaching in a “pocket” it’s him being manhandled by ICE. Before that image he has his cell phone in that hand and after that image he still has his cell phone in his hand. No one is going to try to reach into a pocket with something in their hand (i.e. cell phone) to grab something else in their pocket (i.e. take a grab at a firearm) and then try to hold two things at once with the same hand. Try holding a pistol of that size AND a normal sized smartphone (seen in other videos) in one hand - ain’t happening with any degree of control for either item. He would have had to drop the cell phone, but he never did, before attempting to pick a gun it off Jo’s pocket.

Context of the motion in the videos matter and he never reached into a pocket.

WW

 

[Dr Grump]

There is an official report by the Federal Government. Pretti wanted revenge thats why he was there with a gun and acted in a stupid way but he should not have been shot

By the federal govt? C'mon man? Is this the same federal govt who won't let local authorities investigate the matter? That federal govt?

 

[Dr Grump]

Yup. Just because they gave up one doesn't mean they don't have another.

There's one thing you keep on forgetting. We all saw what happened. This is not some random shooting where the only info is coming from eye witnesses. We have seen all the video evidence of both Pretti and Goode. You'd have to be a real piece of scum to try and defend what ICE did. Are you a piece of scum?

 

[XponentialChaos]

Yeah.
He was real peaceful. *








*Actually, he was a violent psycho.

Yet you can’t explain how he assaulted anyone on the day he was killed. Because he didn’t assault anyone.

 

[Leo123]

Yup. Just because they gave up one doesn't mean they don't have another.

When a perp reaches in their pocket after being disarmed, law enforcement doesn’t have the luxury to wait and see if it’s a gun.

 

[XponentialChaos]

Bullshit, Babbit didn't assault anyone either, she had no weapon and she presented no imminent danger to anyone around her, let alone some thug a half a room away. She had nothing to do with letting anyone through. If Pretti is a bad shoot from a legal standpoint of when lethal force is allowed, then Babbit's is even worse. You're either honest or you're a partisan hack that only cares about your side 'winning'.

If thousands of BLM rioters assault police and break into a government building to get to Trump and the members of his administration, would you want security to use any means necessary to defend our President? Would you be ok with them using lethal force if necessary? I would be ok with that.

As far as we know, Babbitt didn’t assault anyone. That’s not my point. Byrd knew that police were being intentionally, physically, violently assaulted. He didn’t know if Babbitt did, but he knew what was happening.

Does Byrd have a reason to believe that he would be assaulted if he lets the violent mob through that barricade? Does he have a reason to believe that our elected officials would be assaulted if he lets the violent mob through that barricade? I would argue yes. He acted on that reasonable belief and took out the first one to try to break through.

 

[XponentialChaos]

Yup. Just because they gave up one doesn't mean they don't have another.

Which he didn’t have.

 

[Stryder50]

The latest report from the Federal government supports this was an illegal use of deadly force. After He was disarmed there was no imminent threat. 5 seconds after the gun was taken away he was shot by two agents. There were no furtive movements, and he was restrained, violently resisting yes, but unarmed. The agents screwed up.

In context Pretti had a violent encounter a week before breaking his rib, went to the protest/riot with a loaded gun, and was looking to get even. An act of total stupidity. But the use of deadly force was not justified.

DHS report says 2 agents fired weapons in Alex Pretti shooting

DHS report sent to the House Oversight Committee says two federal agents shot Alex Pretti and does not say that Pretti drew his gun.

abcnews.go.com

Classic "two wrongs don't make a right"; however also a case of how one wrong can generate another wrong.

All though, that second wrong could be split second reaction that was a misjudgement in the chaos of the situation.

Would be interesting to see how many of the "Monday morning quarterbacks" on this episode would flunk the routine training scenarios that replicate situations similar to this.

 

[westwall]

Which he didn’t have.

Agents have no way of knowing that.