Pretti Shooting my opinion as a member of US Lawfare

[Captain Creeper]

The latest report from the Federal government supports this was an illegal use of deadly force. After He was disarmed there was no imminent threat. 5 seconds after the gun was taken away he was shot by two agents. There were no furtive movements, and he was restrained, violently resisting yes, but unarmed. The agents screwed up.

In context Pretti had a violent encounter a week before breaking his rib, went to the protest/riot with a loaded gun, and was looking to get even. An act of total stupidity. But the use of deadly force was not justified.

DHS report says 2 agents fired weapons in Alex Pretti shooting

DHS report sent to the House Oversight Committee says two federal agents shot Alex Pretti and does not say that Pretti drew his gun.

abcnews.go.com

It appears to me that in a strictly legal sense you are probably correct. However, I believe there are mitigating factors. For example, ICE and BPS have suffered an onslaught of stupid violence from stupid people. These riots are powder kegs. It is not surprising that when one of these ding-dongs come at you, calling you a Nazi and threatening to murder your family, that you want to blow the ****** into another state of existence. Secondly, his dead dick's intention/state of mind is clear from his past ant-ICE activities.
Third, to some extent, this **** assumed the risk of going into a riot area with the intent to riot against armed law enforcement, getting in their faces, threatening them, and saying all sorts of vile, obnoxious stuff. Without a doubt, these are garbage people. They are activists out for no good.

I believe these are mitigating factors. If any charges are brought it should be no more than manslaughter. Murder is clearly not justified as a legal charge. If I was on the jury, I would give the agents a pass on this one. We owe them a good bit of discretion when dealing with violent pieces of shit like this guy.

 

[Hafar1014]

Funny ... when I was saying it was a murder ... the cultist disagreed with me. But if Trump or one of his goons says it ... then it becomes gospel. So predictable.

At most its manslaughter

 

[XponentialChaos]

Did Byrd see an actual gun, or any weapon at all? Was anyone in imminent danger that required him to shoot Babbit dead?

Jan 6 included rioters who were actually assaulting police officers. Many of them had been physically beaten up and injured.

There’s reason to believe that if Byrd had allowed the violent rioters through, they would physically assault him, and worse yet, physically assault our elected officials.

Pretti did not assault anyone. He was pepper-sprayed, thrown to the ground, beaten up, disarmed, and then shot. That’s murder.

 

[Seymour Flops]

At what point did the gunman cooperate with the officers so they could check him for additional firearms?

 

[Hafar1014]

Jan 6 included rioters who were actually assaulting police officers. Many of them had been physically beaten up and injured.

There’s reason to believe that if Byrd had allowed the violent rioters through, they would physically assault him, and worse yet, physically assault our elected officials.

PrettI did not assault anyone.

Preti did assault an agent when he put his hands on the agent. Still that doesnt justify his shooting

 

[Leo123]

Not a fake image. But you're standing by your fake narrative. Even Trump is walking back his lies.

What lies exactly?

 

[XponentialChaos]

Preti did assault an agent when he put his hands on the agent. Still that doesnt justify his shooting

That’s not an assault.

 

[OODA_Loop]

That’s not an assault.

Putting your hands on law enforcement isn't assault?

Please explain.

 

[Lockback]

Putting your hands on law enforcement isn't assault?

Please explain.

He can't.
It reaches the legal definition.
He's just hoping and spitting into the wind.

 

[XponentialChaos]

Putting your hands on law enforcement isn't assault?

Please explain.

Look up the legal definition of assault and tell me how that applies to this situation.

 

[hadit]

BS.

Why?

 

[Hafar1014]

That’s not an assault.

It is in fact a battery he put his hands on the agent and obstructed the situation. Thats when he was pepper sprayed

 

[hadit]

The bystander didn't create the problem. The agents had a problem, and they acted out what they had always wanted to do.

The bystanders contributed to the chaos, making their job harder. This was done deliberately.

 

[Leo123]

Preti did assault an agent when he put his hands on the agent. Still that doesnt justify his shooting

He committed a felony when he tried to intervene and put his hands on the officer. That's a fine and up to 8 years in lock up. He had a gun and did not tell the officers. There are reports that the gun went off after the officer took it from him but no confirmed. Officers don't just shoot somebody for nothing. That's a lie being floated by the paid protestors. Whether or not it was a 'good shoot' is to be determined. I think it was you think not. We will see.

 

[d0gbreath]

It's interesting when people die. We need dirty laundry.

 

[XponentialChaos]

It is in fact a battery he put his hands on the agent and obstructed the situation. Thats when he was pepper sprayed

It’s not battery either. Again, use legal definition. Don’t just go off of feelings.

 

[OODA_Loop]

Look up the legal definition of assault and tell me how that applies to this situation.

18 U.S. Code § 111​

(a) In General.—Whoever—

(1) forcibly assaults, resists, opposes, impedes, intimidates, or interferes with any person designated in section 1114 of this title while engaged in or on account of the performance of official duties; or

(2) forcibly assaults or intimidates any person who formerly served as a person designated in section 1114 on account of the performance of official duties during such person’s term of service,

shall, where the acts in violation of this section constitute only simple assault, be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both, and where such acts involve physical contact with the victim of that assault or the intent to commit another felony, be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 8 years, or both.

 

[Leo123]

The bystanders contributed to the chaos, making their job harder. This was done deliberately.

Yes they are trained to do that. I posted a video showing the instructions given to them from a website. They are being paid and supported by Singham in China. Just look at the nicely printed posters, T-Shirts etc they have. They are instigators not grass roots protesters who get their marching orders from signal chat.

"In an unfortunately not overly surprising but still infuriating incident out of Minneapolis, Minnesota, a far-left activist and campaign strategist for Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz has been exposed, reports claim, of having been involved with an anti-ICE chat group that was coordinating anti-ICE activities as federal immigration agents crack down on fraud and illegal immigration in the state."

Leader Of Minnesota Anti-ICE Coordination Group Reportedly Identified As Tim Walz Strategist Amanda Koehler - The American Tribune.com

In an unfortunately not overly surprising but still infuriating incident out of Minneapolis, Minnesota, a far-left activist and campaign strategist for

theamericantribune.com

 

[XponentialChaos]

18 U.S. Code § 111​

(a) In General.—Whoever—

(1) forcibly assaults, resists, opposes, impedes, intimidates, or interferes with any person designated in section 1114 of this title while engaged in or on account of the performance of official duties; or

(2) forcibly assaults or intimidates any person who formerly served as a person designated in section 1114 on account of the performance of official duties during such person’s term of service,

shall, where the acts in violation of this section constitute only simple assault, be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both, and where such acts involve physical contact with the victim of that assault or the intent to commit another felony, be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 8 years, or both.

That’s saying that there are penalties for various behavior, including assault among others. That’s not defining what assault is.

Try this one.

assault

www.law.cornell.edu

 

[OODA_Loop]

That’s saying that there are penalties for various behavior, including assault among others. That’s not defining what assault is.

Try this one.

assault

www.law.cornell.edu

Yes totally agree

From your link:

Assault is generally defined as an intentional act that puts another person in reasonable apprehension of imminent harmful or offensive contact. No physical injury is required, but the actor must have intended to cause a harmful or offensive contact with the victim and the victim must have thereby been put in immediate apprehension of such a contact.