POLL: Trump indictment day for stealing classified documents?

[kyzr]

And yet when asked in previous legal actions in this case to put the claim the documents were previously declassified into the court records, the request to go “on the record” was refused.
Then there is the situation with the subpoena from June 2021. The FPOTUS didn’t challenge the subpoena on the grounds that documents had been declassified. Meaning after leaving office he still considered them classified. If he Has declassified then there would have been no documents to surrender.
WW

OK, as I said above.
IMHO no matter what happens its a win-win for Republicans.
Either way we run against old frail unelectable Joe Biden. Either with Trump or not Trump.

 

[WorldWatcher]

1. LIAR. He was NOT allowed to have ANY classified docs outside of a SCIF. Biden had classified docs at many unsecure locations.

As someone that held a TS/SBI clearance I can tell you that you are flat out wrong. There are three primary levels of classification:

• Confidential
• Secret
• Top Secret

Then there are additional special subcategories that can be applied to Top Secret which include things such as SCI (Special Compartmented Information (SCI), Special Access Programs (SAP), etc.

Not all classified materials have to be maintained in a SCIF, that applies only to the highest level of classification. Lower levels of classified documents only need to be maintained in a GSA approved safe, storage container, or vault (<<-- vault =/= SCIF).

I was in electronics and electronic warfare while on active duty. We routinely had classified documents in the electronics shop to store maintenance manual supplements of a classified nature and then codes and mechanical devices used to "key" the codes into communications equipment onboard the aircraft. In other tours I was an electronics instructor and electronic warfare instructor, in this situation we did have a SCIF in the building for the highest level materials, however other materials were stored outside the SCIF in GSA approved containers.

BTW - GSA approved containers =/= SCIF, and can be ordered through the supply system or even purchased on the open market.

WW

 

[yidnar]

It sounds like the indictment(s) will be forthcoming this week - so which day?

EX-PREZ IN A PANIC: TRUMP THINKS CHARGES ARE CLOSE

 

[kyzr]

As someone that held a TS/SBI clearance I can tell you that you are flat out wrong. There are three primary levels of classification:

• Confidential
• Secret
• Top Secret

Then there are additional special subcategories that can be applied to Top Secret which include things such as SCI (Special Compartmented Information (SCI), Special Access Programs (SAP), etc.

Not all classified materials have to be maintained in a SCIF, that applies only to the highest level of classification. Lower levels of classified documents only need to be maintained in a GSA approved safe, storage container, or vault (<<-- vault =/= SCIF).

I was in electronics and electronic warfare while on active duty. We routinely had classified documents in the electronics shop to store maintenance manual supplements of a classified nature and then codes and mechanical devices used to "key" the codes into communications equipment onboard the aircraft. In other tours I was an electronics instructor and electronic warfare instructor, in this situation we did have a SCIF in the building for the highest level materials, however other materials were stored outside the SCIF in GSA approved containers.

BTW - GSA approved containers =/= SCIF, and can be ordered through the supply system or even purchased on the open market.

WW

Thanks for your service.

So were all the boxes of "classified" documents that Biden had at multiple locations legal or illegal?
Also consider that at the Penn location the Chinese paid for and had unlimited access.
At least Trump has the argument that he can declassify, plus his docs were under Secret Service protection, while Biden's were unsecure.

 

[easyt65]

Not in the slightest except for the small minority MAGA dolts. They won't vote for anyone but who Trump tells them to vote for.

I love when leftists accuse orhers of being who THEY are and of doing what THEY do.

You fragile, easily offended, child-lovers voted for a corrupt, criminal, classified-stealing, enemy money laundering, bribe-taking, dementia-ravaged, pathological lying, Socialist authoritarian, proven TRAITOR because you were mentally damaged, scarred for life, by 'MEAN TWEETS'.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Thanks for your service.

So were all the boxes of "classified" documents that Biden had at multiple locations legal or illegal?
Also consider that at the Penn location the Chinese paid for and had unlimited access.
At least Trump has the argument that he can declassify, plus his docs were under Secret Service protection, while Biden's were unsecure.

Biden deflection noted.

Trump's documents were not under secret service protection. The SS job is to protect the physical safety of the FPOTUS, they are not and have not been tasked to standing guard over a basement store room. A room that uncleared personnel (Trump, his advisors, his staff, and country club staff) had access to.

WW

 

[SeaMajor7]

Biden deflection noted.

Trump's documents were not under secret service protection. The SS job is to protect the physical safety of the FPOTUS, they are not and have not been tasked to standing guard over a basement store room. A room that uncleared personnel (Trump, his advisors, his staff, and country club staff) had access to.

WW

Yeah, YOU are DEFFLECTING the Biden issue because YOU want to SIMPLY IGNORE IT!!!!!
You Stalinist revenge monkeys CANNOT have it BOTH WAYS!!
If you are going to go after Trump then you MUST hold Biden to the SAME FUCKING STANDARD!!!!!

 

[konradv]

Trump indictment day for stealing classified documents?​

If Trump is indicted for this and Biden is left untouched, there’s going to be a huge back-lash.

Anyone with half a brain knows that the two situations aren’t the same. If they are, how come the “wokesters”haven’t gone after Pence? That’s because he and Biden committed technical violations, while Trump consciously hid what he was doing, a criminal act.

I’d also like to call you out on your stochastic terrorism in suggesting their will be violent consequences. Bring it on. GITMO is currently underpopulated.

 

[kyzr]

Biden deflection noted.
Trump's documents were not under secret service protection. The SS job is to protect the physical safety of the FPOTUS, they are not and have not been tasked to standing guard over a basement store room. A room that uncleared personnel (Trump, his advisors, his staff, and country club staff) had access to.
WW

I'll bet that the SS has video cameras all over the place. The storage vault was locked. Compare that the the Penn location with Chinese all over it.

 

[Care4all]

1. LIAR. He was NOT allowed to have ANY classified docs outside of a SCIF. Biden had classified docs at many unsecure locations.

https://www.npr.org/2023/01/14/1149071576/biden-classified-documents-what-we-know

Biden aides find second batch of classified documents at new location

On Monday, the White House acknowledged a "small number" of classified documents had been found in an office Biden used.

www.nbcnews.com

Fact Check: Did Joe Biden have nine more boxes of classified documents?

A claim emerged of a new discovery of classified documents in the possession of President Joe Biden.

www.newsweek.com

2. I already proved that a president does not have a formal protocol to declassify documents.

3. The Biden Crime Family made million selling influence to America's adversaries. That is a fact.

4. Biden's Impeachment is coming. You heard it here first.

The 9 cases found were NOT 9 cases of classified documents, they were nine cases of Biden documents shipped from the think tank to his lawyer's office that did not have classified documents in them. The classified documents his lawyer found were given to the FBI from the think tank.

Your other article states a SMALL amount of classified documents were found, and immediately returned.

There is no comparison to what Trump did obstructing justice.... There is nothing you can say or do to change what Trump did.....vs. Pence and Biden.

 

[WorldWatcher]

I'll bet that the SS has video cameras all over the place.

I'm sure they did. But that was security for the physical safety of the President, they did not stand guard over the store room nor attempt to control access to it.

The storage vault was locked.

The store room (it wasn't a vault) more a place to previously store mops and buckets, maybe some plumbing and electrical junctions. But nice try to make it would more important than it was.

"Locked" has no meaning when uncleared people have keys.

Compare that the the Penn location with Chinese all over it.

Feel free, that has no bearing on Trumps actions. Go ahead and indict Biden, fine with me. But you will have to wait until he's out of office. As we learned under the Trump Administration you can't charge a sitting President with federal crimes.

WW

 

[easyt65]

Anyone with half a brain knows that the two situations aren’t the same.

NO SHIT:

PRESIDENT Trump had documents legally transported an placed in a secure, protected SCIF that was authorized by the FBI.

Trump kept chain of custody data and a log listing everyone who had access to the data, AS REQUIRED BY THE LAW.

Trump's lawyers were negotiating with the National Archive for the return of documents. The FBI, who had no jurisdiction / part in this, co ducted a heavily-arned, heavily armored, large-force unprecedented, never-before-done, unwarranted raid on a Presidrnt's hone - with full camera crew because they wanted a huge, dramatic show.

The FBI would not let Trump's lawyers be pesent - unlike with the Bidens, went through the 1st lady's undergarments, and arranged classified COVER SHEETS & BLANK DOCUMENTS ON THE FLOOR of Trump's SCIF to falsely make it look like Trump just had classified documents just lying around ore floor - which only TDS-suffering idiots bought.




Biden, unlike Trump, stole TS/SCI documets as a SENATOR.

Biden, unlike Trump, stole TS/SCI documets as a VICE President.

NEVER, not once did he try to return them.or negotiate for their return over MORE THAN A DECADE.

Biden illegally transported the classified docummets he stole out of the Capitol and out of the WH.

Biden's stolen classified reportedly WENT MISSING FOR A YEAR - as in no reord, no clue where they were.

- Seeing as how Hunter was working for and getting paid by the CCP, Russians, Romanians, Ukrainians, & others at the time this is extremely 'Problematic'.


When Biden's stolen classified documents finally showed up, it was prior to rhe Nidterm Elections and the DOJ / FBI KNEW ABOUT IT.
- Instead of collecting the TS/SCI documents - documents 'expected to cause GRAVE DAMAGE to the US if it fell into enemy hands' - the FBI chose to allow the unsecured, unprotected stolen documents to remain where they were - unsecured and unprotected, chose to NOT act so as not to draw attention and have the scandal exposed. They waited until AFTER the midterm elections. They chose to jeopardize naional security to protect Biden and Democrats.

Joe Biden illegally transported, illegally scattered his stolen classified to multiple locations where he illegally stored / abandoned his stlen classified information in unathorized, unsecured, unprotected locations.

While his son was working for / with the CCPand the Biden 12 were being paid MILLIONS by the CCP, Joe biden placed and abandoned highly classified documents in an office GIVEN TO HIM AND PAID FOR BY THE CCP.

There was no vault.
There was no SCIF.
It was not authorized.
It was NOT secured.
It was not protected.
There was no chain of custody.
There was no legally required access log


More of Joe Biden's stolen classified was illegally stored in his unathorized, unsecured, unprotected garage - next to his Corvette, which Joe emphasized as if believing his Corvette made the garage somehow more secure - in the home he rented to his corrupt, criminal crackhead son who was working for / with the CCP and the Biden 12 were being paid MILLIONS by the CCP...the home in which it is reported that Hunter had Chinese visitors.

There was no vault.
There was no SCIF.
It was not authorized.
It was NOT secured.
It was not protected.
There was no chain of custody.
There was no legally required access log


Unlike with Trump, the FBI allowed Biden's lawyers to neotiate the terms of the release of Joe's decades-long stolen classified documents.

There was no FBI raid.

The FBI allowed Biden's lawyers to search.

3 seperate times Biden's lawyers handed over classified docuents and told te FBI, 'Here ya go - that's all there is.'

AFTER EACH TIME MORE BIDEN STOLEN CLASSIFIED WAS FOUND ... AND THE FBI FINALLY STEPPED IN TO DO THEIR OWN SEARCH ... AND FOUND MORE CLASSIFIED.



YOU BETTER DAMN-WELL BELIEVE TRUMP'S CLASSIFIED ISSUE AND BIDEN'S MASSIVE SCANDAL ARE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT -

ALL OF THE RECORED, REPORTED, EXPOSED EVIDENCE LISTED ABOVE PROVES JOE BIDEN'S CLASSIFED SCANDAL IS FAR WORSE THAN TRUMP'S.



ADDITIONALY, FOR THOSE WHO SAY BIDEN, LIKE HILLARY, HAD NO IDEA HE WAS BREAKING LAWS...

Just like Hillary, when Biden was 'READ-OUT' of the highly classified SCI programwhen he left office, Biden was briefed that he could no longer have access to TS/SCI data, that he could not talk about any of it ever again unless read back in to the program and then only in a SCIF.

The last thing done to complete the 'read-out' is the indiviual must sign an offical docunent acknowledging they understand and agree to this, that if the violate this, they are subject to Perjury, Espionage, and other charges.

JUST LIKE HILLARY, BIDEN KNEW HE WAS BREAKNG LAWS AND COMMITTING ESPIONAGE!


This is FACT.

Every time one of you idiots attempt to claim Trump's scandal olwas somehow worse than Biden's ... or even Hillary's - you completely set fire to your credibiity and come accross as a gaslighting ignorant troll or bot.

'Trumps classified sandal is waaaay
worse than Hillary's or Biden's - you
gotta believe me. I mean, who stores
TS/SCI documents in an authorized,
secured, protected SCIF when you can
just store it on a personal, unauthorized,
unsecured, unencryptec server in someone's
bathroom or in an unauthorized, unsecured,
unprotected office provided and paid for by
the CCP? Am I right?'

 

[kyzr]

The 9 cases found were NOT 9 cases of classified documents, they were nine cases of Biden documents shipped from the think tank to his lawyer's office that did not have classified documents in them. The classified documents his lawyer found were given to the FBI from the think tank.
Your other article states a SMALL amount of classified documents were found, and immediately returned.
There is no comparison to what Trump did obstructing justice.... There is nothing you can say or do to change what Trump did.....vs. Pence and Biden.

The only thing I need to say is that Trump declassified all the documents in his possession, so there is no legal issue.

 

[kyzr]

I'm sure they did. But that was security for the physical safety of the President, they did not stand guard over the store room nor attempt to control access to it.
The store room (it wasn't a vault) more a place to previously store mops and buckets, maybe some plumbing and electrical junctions. But nice try to make it would more important than it was.
"Locked" has no meaning when uncleared people have keys.
Feel free, that has no bearing on Trumps actions. Go ahead and indict Biden, fine with me. But you will have to wait until he's out of office. As we learned under the Trump Administration you can't charge a sitting President with federal crimes.
WW

All true, the only thing that matters is that Trump declassified all the docs in his possession, so there is no legal issue.

 

[tahuyaman]

The 9 cases found were NOT 9 cases of classified documents, they were nine cases of Biden documents shipped from the think tank to his lawyer's office that did not have classified documents in them. The classified documents his lawyer found were given to the FBI from the think tank.

Your other article states a SMALL amount of classified documents were found, and immediately returned.

There is no comparison to what Trump did obstructing justice.... There is nothing you can say or do to change what Trump did.....vs. Pence and Biden.

You have no idea what you’re talking about.

Biden retained classified document that he removed illegally when he was a senator. He did the same after his time as VP. He had no authority to possess or declassify anything at any time.

 

[WorldWatcher]

All true, the only thing that matters is that Trump declassified all the docs in his possession, so there is no legal issue.

Yet he won't make that claim in court, where legal issues are addressed.

When asked in a legal action if that claim was being made, they refused to make it.

The government will show the classified documents in court, then it will be up to the FPOTUS team to make the claim in the only place it matters.

WW

 

[tahuyaman]

Yet he won't make that claim in court, where legal issues are addressed.

When asked in a legal action if that claim was being made, they refused to make it.

The government will show the classified documents in court, then it will be up to the FPOTUS team to make the claim in the only place it matters.

WW

You guys say things when you have no idea what you’re talking about.


He’s already made the claim he declassified them. He had the authority to declassify just about anything he wanted to declassify. There’s also no defined process to do that. A presidents authority to declassify is quite broad.

 

[jbrownson0831]

You guys say things when you have no idea what you’re talking about.


He’s already made the claim he declassified them. He had the authority to declassify just about anything he wanted to declassify. There’s also no defined process to do that. A presidents authority to declassify is quite broad.

...but the thinking power of a Dim is quite narrow.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Yet he won't make that claim in court, where legal issues are addressed.

When asked in a legal action if that claim was being made, they refused to make it.

The government will show the classified documents in court, then it will be up to the FPOTUS team to make the claim in the only place it matters.

WW

You guys say things when you have no idea what you’re talking about.


He’s already made the claim he declassified them. He had the authority to declassify just about anything he wanted to declassify. There’s also no defined process to do that. A presidents authority to declassify is quite broad.

No, he hasn't made the claim in court. Plenty on Twitter/Truth Social, Rallies, T.V. etc. But not in court.

He (via his lawyers) was asked Judge Raymond J. Dearie during the proceedings following the search warrant execution if Trump was making that claim as part of the legal action. The lawyers REFUSED to proffer such a claim.

Before you claim someone doesn't know what they are talking about you should do a little research.

WW

 

[tahuyaman]

No, he hasn't made the claim in court. Plenty on Twitter/Truth Social, Rallies, T.V. etc. But not in court.

He (via his lawyers) was asked Judge Raymond J. Dearie during the proceedings following the search warrant execution if Trump was making that claim as part of the legal action. The lawyers REFUSED to proffer such a claim.

Before you claim someone doesn't know what they are talking about you should do a little research.

WW

If he’s indicted, he’ll make the claim. You people are effing clueless.

You particularly are shockingly stupid. Only an idiot would think Trump would not raise the fact that he declassified the documents.

What would be refreshing would be to have a discussion with an intelligent liberal. That’s not going to happen here.