POLL: Trump indictment day for stealing classified documents?

What day will Trump be indicted?


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1. Prove Trump did not declassify all those "classified" documents
2. Prove that any documents Trump took were not his personal records.

Easy:

 
Prove that the protocol process applies to the president. Hint: It doesn't

Actually it does, let me explain why to the uninformed with something beyond a bumper sticker post.

See this is what people that don't understand "classified" shows. Documents are not "declassified" it is the information in the document that is declassified.

For example let’s say that there are 6 copies of a specific document containing specific classified information. One located in the White House, 5 located amongst various agencies which also need the document. In addition there are subordinate documents that contain (either in part of in whole some of the same classified information).

Under a normal process when the information contained in a highly classified documents is declassified (or downgraded) that impacts all copies of the document (its information, and subordinate documents containing the same information in whole or portions of a subordinate document).

So If the FPOTUS "declassified" a document, he is really declassifying the information in that document. If the FPOTUS, while acting as POTUS, "declassified" the information without telling anyone (either directly or in writing) for that specific document, you end up with:
  • One copy of the information located at the White House (or one of his Country Clubs) being "declassified", and
  • Five copies of the information located at the responsible agencies still being classified as the responsible agencies will not know the information was declassified because the FPOTUS (while POTUS) just mentally declassified the information in his head.
The result is someone could be prosecuted for improper handling of classified material for actions related to the 5 responsible agency documents, but not for improper handling of the exact same document if the source of the document was the White House. But they contain the same information! By this we are talking about the information in the document and subordinate information which sourced the document which can have even wider reaching impacts.

The national security infrastructure cannot function in a reasonable way if the same information is both classified and declassified at the same time simply because the POTUS chooses not to tell anyone.

Kind of a Schrodinger's Classified document where the same information is both classified and declassified at the same time until someone asks the FPOTUS to find out if he mentally and secretly declassified it without telling anyone while still POTUS. Normal people wouldn't know just be looking at the document.

WW
 
2. Prove that any documents Trump took were not his personal records. Precedent is on Trump's side. Keep trying, its fun to watch the disappointment
Presidential records under the law are our records, with NARA in custody of them. The president is to turn them over before his last day in office.


Clinton tapes purposely made by his contracted biographer for a book, were not government's records, but Clinton's records is what the judge ruled.

top secret classified and military classified documents can not be confused with personal tapes for a book....

it's a ridiculous argument.
 
That link said it was unverified, but did not prove that Trump did not declassify it.
That won't hold up in court.

Sure sure...say, do you have anything remotely like that on Biden or Pence?
 
Actually it does, let me explain why to the uninformed with something beyond a bumper sticker post.

See this is what people that don't understand "classified" shows. Documents are not "declassified" it is the information in the document that is declassified.

For example let’s say that there are 6 copies of a specific document containing specific classified information. One located in the White House, 5 located amongst various agencies which also need the document. In addition there are subordinate documents that contain (either in part of in whole some of the same classified information).

Under a normal process when the information contained in a highly classified documents is declassified (or downgraded) that impacts all copies of the document (its information, and subordinate documents containing the same information in whole or portions of a subordinate document).

So If the FPOTUS "declassified" a document, he is really declassifying the information in that document. If the FPOTUS, while acting as POTUS, "declassified" the information without telling anyone (either directly or in writing) for that specific document, you end up with:
  • One copy of the information located at the White House (or one of his Country Clubs) being "declassified", and
  • Five copies of the information located at the responsible agencies still being classified as the responsible agencies will not know the information was declassified because the FPOTUS (while POTUS) just mentally declassified the information in his head.
The result is someone could be prosecuted for improper handling of classified material for actions related to the 5 responsible agency documents, but not for improper handling of the exact same document if the source of the document was the White House. But they contain the same information! By this we are talking about the information in the document and subordinate information which sourced the document which can have even wider reaching impacts.

The national security infrastructure cannot function in a reasonable way if the same information is both classified and declassified at the same time simply because the POTUS chooses not to tell anyone.

Kind of a Schrodinger's Classified document where the same information is both classified and declassified at the same time until someone asks the FPOTUS to find out if he mentally and secretly declassified it without telling anyone while still POTUS. Normal people wouldn't know just be looking at the document.

WW
While I agree with your post, I'm not seeing any illegality for the FPOTUS.
If he legally declassified the docs in his possession, the same classified docs still in the various departments are now over classified. No harm no foul.
 
Presidential records under the law are our records, with NARA in custody of them. The president is to turn them over before his last day in office.
Clinton tapes purposely made by his contracted biographer for a book, were not government's records, but Clinton's records is what the judge ruled.
top secret classified and military classified documents can not be confused with personal tapes for a book....it's a ridiculous argument.
1. All presidents have their "personal records". Who decides which are personal and which are NARA's?
2. Clinton's tapes were made while he was president. Yet he called them personal records not subject to FOIA or NARA.
3. Trump could declassify any documents he wanted, military or not.
 
1. Biden had boxes of classified documents that he was NOT allowed to have
2. Trump said he declassified all documents he had in his possession.
3. Who took money from America's adversaries?
4. Biden needs to be impeached.
1 No he did not. He had some classified documents in a few of the cases of paperwork packed and sent when he left office.

2 Trump nor his lawyer's have made the claim that Trump declassified them before leaving office.

he made the ridiculous claim that HE COULD DO THAT, just by thinking about it.

the latest breaking news and tape proves Trump did not declassify them and shows he knew he did not declassify them before leaving office.

3 Bunk. With no proof. Allegations with no evidence to support the claim, as of yet.

4. Good Luck! :)
 
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No money trail for Pence, but there is a money trail for Biden's influence peddling schemes.
Do you think Trump's lawyers should use "Biden's money trail!!!" as part of their defense strategy before the jury?
 
While I agree with your post, I'm not seeing any illegality for the FPOTUS.
If he legally declassified the docs in his possession, the same classified docs still in the various departments are now over classified. No harm no foul.

And yet when asked in previous legal actions in this case to put the claim the documents were previously declassified into the court records, the request to go “on the record” was refused.

Then there is the situation with the subpoena from June 2021. The FPOTUS didn’t challenge the subpoena on the grounds that documents had been declassified. Meaning after leaving office he still considered them classified. If he Has declassified then there would have been no documents to surrender.

WW
 
1. All presidents have their "personal records". Who decides which are personal and which are NARA's?
2. Clinton's tapes were made while he was president. Yet he called them personal records not subject to FOIA or NARA.
3. Trump could declassify any documents he wanted, military or not.
1 There are regulations and rules that guide the govt worker determining what is the governments. When there is a dispute,such as with Clinton, a Court will decide.

2 the Clinton tapes were made for the personal biographer hired by Clinton. They were not government recordings put in for government records is what the judge ruled. They were not marked classified, govt documents that can not be mistaken as being personal.... This argument falls flat.

3. Trump could do so...though his constitutional pledge to do no harm, would likely conflict with a mass declassification without ever telling anyone in the Agency that classified the documents.

Basically, he can declassify, but he has to, under all condition, follow the rules in place, to do so. This isn't a Willy nilly process,nor should it ever be....you know better than buying in to Trump's bull shit on this.
 
1 No he did not. He had some classified documents in a few of the cases of paperwork packed and sent when he left office.
2 Trump nor his lawyer's have made the claim that Trump declassified them before leaving office.
he made the ridiculous claim that HE COULD DO THAT, just by thinking about it.
the latest breaking news and tape proves Trump did not declassify them and shows he knew he did not declassify them before leaving office.
3 Bunk. With no proof. Allegations with no evidence to support the claim, as if yet.
4. Good Luck!
1. LIAR. He was NOT allowed to have ANY classified docs outside of a SCIF. Biden had classified docs at many unsecure locations.

2. I already proved that a president does not have a formal protocol to declassify documents.

3. The Biden Crime Family made million selling influence to America's adversaries. That is a fact.

4. Biden's Impeachment is coming. You heard it here first.
 
Do you think Trump's lawyers should use "Biden's money trail!!!" as part of their defense strategy before the jury?
No. But Trump is innocent until proven guilty.
IMHO no matter what happens its a win-win for Republicans.
Either way we run against old frail unelectable Joe Biden. Either with Trump or not Trump.
 

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