Poll: If you could send, a message back in time telling the people of Germany, not to let Hitler take away their guns, would you?

[bigrebnc1775]

Except ridding the world of Jews didn't become a German Goal until 1942.



Nope. In fact, Hitler exterminated the Jews because he associated them with Bolshevism.

Disgustingly funny shit you post you fascist bitch.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Actually, Hitler, Mussolini, Franco, Pinochet... just as many dictators on the far right.

Funny shit. Hitler was approved of by many high ranking democrats such as FDR and Joe Kennedy

 

[JoeB131]

Actually, Hitler, Mussolini, Franco, Pinochet... dictators on the far left. .

No, they really weren't. They had all the hallmarks of the right. Nationalism, Corporatism, racism, religious fanaticism...

“Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power.”
― Benito Mussolini

“Democracy is beautiful in theory; in practice it is a fallacy. You in America will see that some day.
Every anarchist is a baffled dictator.
The truth is that men are tired of liberty.
Socialism is a fraud, a comedy, a phantom, a blackmail.
It's good to trust others but, not to do so is much better.
War alone brings up to their highest tension all human energies and imposes the stamp of nobility upon the peoples who have the courage to make it.
Fascism is a religious concept.
Let us have a dagger between our teeth, a bomb in our hands, and an infinite scorn in our hearts.
The League is very well when sparrows shout, but no good at all when eagles fall out.
We become strong, I feel, when we have no friends upon whom to lean, or to look to for moral guidance.”
― Benito Mussolini

 

[The Duke]

Germany was already fairly dearmed while Hitler's rise to power was in play. It had to do with WW1..

 

[JoeB131]

Funny shit. Hitler was approved of by many high ranking democrats such as FDR and Joe Kennedy

Not really. Joe Kennedy had a hard on for the British, which is why FDR sacked him.

 

[JoeB131]

Germany was already fairly dearmed while Hitler's rise to power was in play. It had to do with WW1..

Not really. In fact, the collapse of the German Army in WWI meant a lot of Germans took guns home with them. Germany was never occuppied after WWI. Those veterans were having gun battles in the streets of Germany with those guns, while the Weimar government impotently tried to pass gun laws they couldn't enforce.

When Hitler came to power, he repealed the Weimar Gun laws.

 

[The Duke]

Hitler did not take away guns of Germans, only Jews.

Antisemitic!

 

[Hollie]

No, they really weren't. They had all the hallmarks of the right. Nationalism, Corporatism, racism, religious fanaticism...

“Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power.”
― Benito Mussolini

“Democracy is beautiful in theory; in practice it is a fallacy. You in America will see that some day.
Every anarchist is a baffled dictator.
The truth is that men are tired of liberty.
Socialism is a fraud, a comedy, a phantom, a blackmail.
It's good to trust others but, not to do so is much better.
War alone brings up to their highest tension all human energies and imposes the stamp of nobility upon the peoples who have the courage to make it.
Fascism is a religious concept.
Let us have a dagger between our teeth, a bomb in our hands, and an infinite scorn in our hearts.
The League is very well when sparrows shout, but no good at all when eagles fall out.
We become strong, I feel, when we have no friends upon whom to lean, or to look to for moral guidance.”
― Benito Mussolini

Yeah, they really were.

Every leftist is a baffled buffoon.

 

[there4eyeM]

As if such a warning would even be noticed.

 

[The Duke]

Not really. In fact, the collapse of the German Army in WWI meant a lot of Germans took guns home with them. Germany was never occuppied after WWI. Those veterans were having gun battles in the streets of Germany with those guns, while the Weimar government impotently tried to pass gun laws they couldn't enforce.

When Hitler came to power, he repealed the Weimar Gun laws.

JoeB....wrong all the fucking time.

"The forced disarmament of Germany, it was hoped, would be accompanied by voluntary disarmament in other nations."

Treaty of Versailles - Reparations, Military, Limitations | Britannica

Treaty of Versailles - Reparations, Military, Limitations: The war guilt clause of the treaty deemed Germany the aggressor in the war and consequently made Germany responsible for making reparations to the Allied nations in payment for the losses and damage they had sustained in the war. It was...

www.britannica.com

You're a stupid fuck, JoeB, as dumb as they come.

 

[JoeB131]

JoeB....wrong all the fucking time.

"The forced disarmament of Germany, it was hoped, would be accompanied by voluntary disarmament in other nations."

Treaty of Versailles - Reparations, Military, Limitations | Britannica

Treaty of Versailles - Reparations, Military, Limitations: The war guilt clause of the treaty deemed Germany the aggressor in the war and consequently made Germany responsible for making reparations to the Allied nations in payment for the losses and damage they had sustained in the war. It was...

www.britannica.com

You're a stupid fuck, JoeB, as dumb as they come.

Are you fucking retarded?

The disarmament of the German military had nothing to do with private gun ownership.

Yes, Germany had to give up her battleships and her zeppelins and her U-boats.

No one tried to take the average German's guns.

 

[surada]

That is a lie....

The socialists took guns away from the civilian groups they planned on murdering, Jews, and other problem groups to their power....you liar.

By the time the SS were rounding up Jews, the population was disarmed and understood that the socialists in power would protect the brown shirts in the streets......using the police to protect them as they targeted anyone who said anything...just like blm and antifa today.

Hitler hated Socialists. He killed them or put them in Dachau. You should read up on Hitler's gun laws.

 

[The Duke]

Are you fucking retarded?

The disarmament of the German military had nothing to do with private gun ownership.

Yes, Germany had to give up her battleships and her zeppelins and her U-boats.

No one tried to take the average German's guns.

Yes they did, you fucking retard.

"
and the Germans were to repatriate all prisoners of war and hand over to the Allies a large quantity of war materials, including 5,000 pieces of artillery, 25,000 machine guns, 1,700 aircraft, 5,000 locomotives, and 150,000 railroad cars. And meanwhile, the Allies’ blockade of Germany was to continue.


Pleading the danger of Bolshevism in a nation on the verge of collapse, the German delegation obtained some mitigation of these terms: a suggestion that the blockade might be relaxed, a reduction in the quantity of armaments to be handed over, and permission for the German forces in eastern Europe to stay put for the time being. "

World War I - Armistice, Treaty, Legacy | Britannica

World War I - Armistice, Treaty, Legacy: Germany's deteriorating military situation was revealed to its civilian leadership and they requested an armistice and negotiations with President Wilson. The Allies partially agreed to the terms Germany and the U.S. had negotiated. The Armistice signed...

www.britannica.com

There's more to it, because I've read about it before.

Here you go, you piece of shit: Suck on this!

"In 1931, Weimar authorities discovered plans for a Nazi takeover in which Jews would be denied food and persons refusing to surrender their guns within 24 hours would be executed. They were written by Werner Best, a future Gestapo official. In reaction to such threats, the government authorized the registration of all firearms and the confiscation thereof, if required for “public safety.”"

How the Nazis Used Gun Control | National Review

The perennial gun-control debate in America did not begin here. The same arguments for and against were made in the 1920s in the chaos of Germany’s Weimar Republic, which opted for gun registration…

www.nationalreview.com

The Weimar authorities disarming German citizens enabled Hitler's rise to power. Knowing History; You should try it sometime.

 

[surada]

The democrats practiced socialism completely.........the government controlled every aspect of the economy....

Nazism is Socialism -- F A Hayek, et al

One of the main reasons why the socialist character of National Socialism has been quite generally unrecognized, is, no doubt, its alliance with the nationalist groups which represent the great industries and the great landowners. But this merely proves that these groups too -as they have since learnt to their bitter disappointment -have, at least partly, been mistaken as to the nature of the movement. But only partly because -and this is the most characteristic feature of modern Germany – many capitalists are themselves strongly influenced by socialistic ideas, and have not sufficient belief in capitalism to defend it with a clear conscience. But, in spite of this, the German entrepreneur class have manifested almost incredible short-sightedness in allying themselves with a move movement of whose strong anti-capitalistic tendencies there should never have been any doubt.

A careful observer must always have been aware that the opposition of the Nazis to the established socialist parties, which gained them the sympathy of the entrepreneur, was only to a very small extend directed against their economic policy. What the Nazis mainly objected to was their internationalism and all the aspects of their cultural programme which were still influenced by liberal ideas. But the accusations against the social-democrats and the communists which were most effective in their propaganda were not so much directed against their programme as against their supposed practice -their corruption and nepotism, and even their alleged alliance with “the golden International of Jewish Capitalism.”

It would, indeed, hardly have been possible for the Nationalists to advance fundamental objections to the economic policy of the other socialist parties when their own published programme differed from these only in that its socialism was much cruder and less rational. The famous 25 points drawn up by Herr Feder,[2] one of Hitler’s early allies, repeatedly endorsed by Hitler and recognized by the by-laws of the National-Socialist party as the immutable basis of all its actions, which together with an extensive commentary is circulating throughout Germany in many hundreds of thousands of copies, is full of ideas resembling those of the early socialists. But the dominant feature is a fierce hatred of anything capitalistic -individualistic profit seeking, large scale enterprise, banks, joint-stock companies, department stores, “international finance and loan capital,” the system of “interest slavery” in general; the abolition of these is described as the “[indecipherable] of the programme, around which everything else turns.” It was to this programme that the masses of the German people, who were already completely under the influence of collectivist ideas, responded so enthusiastically.

That this violent anti-capitalistic attack is genuine – and not a mere piece of propaganda – becomes as clear from the personal history of the intellectual leaders of the movement as from the general milieu from which it springs. It is not even denied that man of the young men who today play a prominent part in it have previously been communists or socialists. And to any observer of the literary tendencies which made the Germans intelligentsia ready to join the ranks of the new party, it must be clear that the common characteristic of all the politically influential writers – in many cases free from definite party affiliations – was their anti-liberal and anti-capitalist trend. Groups like that formed around the review “Die Tat” have made the phrase “the end of capitalism” an accepted dogma to most young Germans.[3]

And more...

The Myth of "Nazi Capitalism" | Chris Calton

German socialism, as Mises defines it, differs from what he called “socialism of the Russian pattern” in that “it, seemingly and nominally, maintains private ownership of the means of production, entrepreneurship, and market exchange.” However, this is only a superficial system of private ownership because through a complete system of economic intervention and control, the entrepreneurial function of the property owners is completely controlled by the State. By this, Mises means that shop owners do not speculate about future events for the purpose of allocating resources in the pursuit of profits. Just like in the Soviet Union, this entrepreneurial speculation and resource allocation is done by a single entity, the State, and economic calculation is thus impossible.

“In Nazi Germany,” Mises tells us, the property owners “were called shop managers or Betriebsführer.

The government tells these seeming entrepreneurs what and how to produce, at what prices and from whom to buy, at what prices and to whom to sell. The government decrees at what wages labourers should work, and to whom and under what terms the capitalists should entrust their funds. Market exchange is but a sham. As all prices, wages and interest rates are fixed by the authority, they are prices, wages and interest rates in appearance only; in fact they are merely quantitative terms in the authoritarian orders determining each citizen’s income, consumption and standard of living.

The authority, not the consumers, directs production.


The central board of production management is supreme; all citizens are nothing else but civil servants. This is socialism with the outward appearance of capitalism. Some labels of the capitalistic market economy are retained, but they signify here something entirely different from what they mean in the market economy.”
======

Nazis Were Not Marxists, but They Were Socialists | Jörg Guido Hülsmann

Nazis and marx..

Read A Pile Of Top Nazis Talking About How They Love Leftist Marxism

The Nazis were leftists. This statement is blasphemy to the academic-media complex, since everyone knows the Nazis were degenerate right-wingers fueled by toxic capitalism and racism. But evidence Adolf Hitler’s gang were men of the left, while debatable, is compelling.
The dispute on Nazi origins resurfaced through the confluence of brawling alt-right and antifa fringe movements and recent alternative histories by Dinesh D’Souza and others. The vitriol and lack of candor it produces from supposedly fact-driven academics and media is disturbing, if unsurprising. They stifle dissent on touchy subjects to maintain their narrative and enforce cultural hegemony.

However uncomfortable to opinion shapers, alternative views of the Third Reich exist and were written by the finest minds of their time. Opinions from the period perhaps carry more weight because they are unburdened by the aftermath of the uniquely heinous Nazi crimes.
------

Also, Adolf Hitler Loved Karl Marx
It wasn’t only theoretical. Hitler repeatedly praised Marx privately, stating he had “learned a great deal from Marxism.” The trouble with the Weimar Republic, he said, was that its politicians “had never even read Marx.” He also stated his differences with communists were that they were intellectual types passing out pamphlets, whereas “I have put into practice what these peddlers and pen pushers have timidly begun.”

It wasn’t just privately that Hitler’s fealty for Marx surfaced. In “Mein Kampf,” he states that without his racial insights National Socialism “would really do nothing more than compete with Marxism on its own ground.” Nor did Hitler eschew this sentiment once reaching power. As late as 1941, with the war in bloom, he stated “basically National Socialism and Marxism are the same” in a speech published by the Royal Institute of International Affairs.

Nazi propaganda minister and resident intellectual Joseph Goebbels wrote in his diary that the Nazis would install “real socialism” after Russia’s defeat in the East. And Hitler favorite Albert Speer, the Nazi armaments minister whose memoir became an international bestseller, wrote that Hitler viewed Joseph Stalin as a kindred spirit, ensuring his prisoner of war son received good treatment, and even talked of keeping Stalin in power in a puppet government after Germany’s eventual triumph. His views on Great Britain’s Winston Churchill and the United States’s Franklin Delano Roosevelt were decidedly less kind.

Nazi and Communist Hatred of Each Other Was Brotherly
Despite this, there’s a persistent claim that Nazis and communists hated each other, and mention that the Nazis persecuted socialists and oppressed trade unions. These things are true, but prove little. The camps’ hatred stemmed from familiarity. It was internecine, the nastiest kind.

The Nazis and communists were not only in a struggle for street-war supremacy, but also recruits. These recruits were easily turned, because both sides were fighting for the same men. Hayek recalls

Mein Kampf was written before Hitler broke with the Socialists in 1926 and purged the German government of socialists, communists, Jews and Democrats in 1933.

Hitler would say anything to fire up the mob. His speeches are full of bombast and contradictions.

 

[JoeB131]

Yes they did, you fucking retard.

"
and the Germans were to repatriate all prisoners of war and hand over to the Allies a large quantity of war materials, including 5,000 pieces of artillery, 25,000 machine guns, 1,700 aircraft, 5,000 locomotives, and 150,000 railroad cars. And meanwhile, the Allies’ blockade of Germany was to continue.

I'm not seeing any sidearms or long rifles on that list.

The Weimar authorities disarming German citizens enabled Hitler's rise to power. Knowing History; You should try it sometime.

I've got a degree in history... you are barely literate.

German citizens were never disarmed. The Weimar gun laws were ineffective in their stated goal of keeping the Nazis and Communists from having gun battles in the streets.

 

[surada]

I'm not seeing any sidearms or long rifles on that list.

@The Duke

I've got a degree in history... you are barely literate.

German citizens were never disarmed. The Weimar gun laws were ineffective in their stated goal of keeping the Nazis and Communists from having gun battles in the streets.

The Duke

Ben Carson claimed that the German people were disarmed. They weren't. Carson also claims Joseph built the pyramids to store grain. Let's look at the facts.

Fact-checking Ben Carson's claim that gun control laws allowed the Nazis to carry out Holocaust

Republican Ben Carson has been criticized for suggesting that gun control enabled the rise of the Nazis and led to the e

www.politifact.com

 

[The Duke]

I'm not seeing any sidearms or long rifles on that list.



I've got a degree in history... you are barely literate.

German citizens were never disarmed. The Weimar gun laws were ineffective in their stated goal of keeping the Nazis and Communists from having gun battles in the streets.

"In 1931, Weimar authorities discovered plans for a Nazi takeover in which Jews would be denied food and persons refusing to surrender their guns within 24 hours would be executed. They were written by Werner Best, a future Gestapo official. In reaction to such threats, the government authorized the registration of all firearms and the confiscation thereof, if required for “public safety.”"

How the Nazis Used Gun Control | National Review

The perennial gun-control debate in America did not begin here. The same arguments for and against were made in the 1920s in the chaos of Germany’s Weimar Republic, which opted for gun registration…

www.nationalreview.com

Yeah, I doubt that. If you have a degree in History and didn't know about this? You're a fucking idiot.

My opinion is that you just lied about having a degree in History. Btw, it's a proper name and should be capitalized.

Also, there are parallels between Weimar gun laws of the past and current Democrat policies.

I got a Bachelor's Degree in Liberal Arts; But it was worth something then.

 

[surada]

"In 1931, Weimar authorities discovered plans for a Nazi takeover in which Jews would be denied food and persons refusing to surrender their guns within 24 hours would be executed. They were written by Werner Best, a future Gestapo official. In reaction to such threats, the government authorized the registration of all firearms and the confiscation thereof, if required for “public safety.”"

How the Nazis Used Gun Control | National Review

The perennial gun-control debate in America did not begin here. The same arguments for and against were made in the 1920s in the chaos of Germany’s Weimar Republic, which opted for gun registration…

www.nationalreview.com

Yeah, I doubt that.

Also, there are parallels between Weimar gun laws of the past and current Democrat policies.

Put your article in context of the day.

Fact-checking Ben Carson's claim that gun control laws allowed the Nazis to carry out Holocaust

Republican Ben Carson has been criticized for suggesting that gun control enabled the rise of the Nazis and led to the e

www.politifact.com

 

[Lisa558]

Funny shit. Hitler was approved of by many high ranking democrats such as FDR and Joe Kennedy

They were both antisemitic, especially Joe Kennedy.

 

[The Duke]

Put your article in context of the day.

Fact-checking Ben Carson's claim that gun control laws allowed the Nazis to carry out Holocaust

Republican Ben Carson has been criticized for suggesting that gun control enabled the rise of the Nazis and led to the e

www.politifact.com

As if your leftist fact-checking propaganda bullshit negates real history, weaksauce fucktard! LOL at you!


Two words:

Get Real.