Poll for Trump Supporters: Will you push back if he goes full fascist?

[dblack]

What a disgraceful thread. All hackery. No substance.

Again, one can’t go “full” fascist if one has never done anything fascist.

Unlike the liberals and progressives and the Democrap Parody, Trump supporters oppose fascism.

Have you read BrokeLoser's posts? On this thread, and elsewhere?

 

[TruthNotBS]

They may think you are attempting to insult them rather than ask a sincere question. Because the idea of Trump-as-fascist is so silly.

Trump shows no sign of being inclined to fascism. Not unless you count thoughts of using the next administration DOJ to go after the fascists in the current DOJ. They conducted more than eight years of lawfare against him and many of his supporters. That included ordinary Americans who support Trump, or as the current administration calls them, "garbage."

I would consider investigating and prosecuting people who misused the justice system to be more of a response to fascism. In the same way that the death penalty is not murder, but rather a response to murder.

In the wealthy ruling class, there are two parties. One is liberal and more or less recognizes the importance of maintaining a certain level of humanity and empathy towards the working class that labors for them, making an effort to more or less meet the needs of their workers. They're the smarter capitalists who know the world doesn't necessarily revolve around them, and even though they are not running a charity, and have to generate a profit, they have a more complete, nuanced, sophisticated understanding of how economics and social realities affect each other. These more liberal, big-money capitalists are still profit-oriented bastards but they're not complete idiots or suicidal, so they know they have to operate within certain limits.

The other big-money capitalist party is comprised of people like Elon Musk, and Trump, who see themselves as divinely entitled and appointed to the privileged position that they're in as members of the wealthy, ruling class. They're where they are because supposedly they're smarter and even more hard-working than everyone else who is beneath them on the economic hierarchy, and hence they have a right to rule. They lack humanity, and empathy toward the working class, and see workers as ontologically, essentially inferior to them. The working class should shut up, get to work, and stop complaining.

Healthcare? Fuck you, pay for it. Can't afford it? Too bad. Don't get sick bitch. Sick leave? What the hell is that? Want to get paid a living wage, that at least covers your needs, well too bad. Go get another job. Need affordable housing and can't find it? Too bad, that's life. Deal with it. Pick yourself up by your bootstraps and solve it. The government is only here to serve and protect the needs and interests of the wealthy ruling class:

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1	Boeing	$15,499,739,531	963
2	Intel	$8,423,581,056	139
3	Ford Motor	$7,746,892,959	704
4	General Motors	$7,533,646,692	793
5	Micron Technology	$6,790,131,915	21
6	Amazon.com	$5,887,660,428	480
7	Alcoa	$5,727,691,764	134
8	Cheniere Energy	$5,617,152,523	43
9	Foxconn Technology Group (Hon Hai Precision Industry Company)	$4,820,780,112	75
10	Venture Global LNG	$4,338,702,441	8
11	Texas Instruments	$4,286,716,512	75
12	Volkswagen	$4,103,804,970	225
13	Sempra Energy	$3,828,022,782	51
14	NRG Energy	$3,415,751,518	266
15	NextEra Energy	$3,392,737,237	119
16	Sasol	$2,836,049,845	72
17	Tesla Inc.	$2,829,855,494	116
18	Stellantis	$2,795,436,436	213
19	Walt Disney	$2,626,608,041	272
20	Nucor	$2,575,858,691	202
21	Iberdrola	$2,380,558,984	111
22	Rivian Automotive Inc.	$2,366,022,712	8
23	Hyundai Motor	$2,349,743,470	18
24	Oracle	$2,272,418,288	96
25	Shell PLC	$2,214,461,311	133
26	Alphabet Inc.	$2,140,082,221	134
27	Mubadala Investment Company	$2,124,035,097	62
28	Nike	$2,104,917,829	153
29	Meta Platforms Inc.	$2,103,574,428	83
30	Toyota	$2,071,134,513	244
31	Paramount Global	$1,986,772,523	348
32	Brookfield Corporation	$1,984,319,869	293
33	Comcast	$1,982,844,868	409
34	OGE Energy	$1,971,748,595	19
35	Exxon Mobil	$1,917,119,478	241
36	Apple Inc.	$1,912,457,519	70
37	Samsung Electronics	$1,891,262,898	44
38	Nissan	$1,842,814,165	98
39	Berkshire Hathaway	$1,834,939,931	1,221
40	Summit Power	$1,783,593,414	6
41	JPMorgan Chase	$1,740,972,699	1,151
42	Energy Transfer	$1,736,836,843	175
43	Southern Company	$1,735,931,348	45
44	Cleveland-Cliffs	$1,705,295,415	129
45	General Electric	$1,650,460,706	961
46	Duke Energy	$1,635,172,669	95
47	Vornado Realty Trust	$1,623,857,336	33
48	Eli Lilly	$1,587,988,100	82
49	Wolfspeed Inc.	$1,564,076,731	66
50	General Atomics	$1,556,475,083	113
51	IBM Corp.	$1,498,690,934	370
52	Lockheed Martin	$1,462,674,082	327
53	SCS Energy	$1,419,011,796	5
54	Corning Inc.	$1,391,611,133	403
55	Panasonic	$1,384,147,584	61
56	Microsoft	$1,368,493,159	115
57	Sagamore Development	$1,320,000,000	2
58	Northrop Grumman	$1,284,299,594	288
59	Vingroup	$1,254,021,021	2
60	Continental AG	$1,244,875,478	111
61	RTX Corporation	$1,216,214,555	805
62	CF Industries	$1,189,688,351	150
63	Valero Energy	$1,058,366,895	209
64	Dow Inc.	$1,049,400,498	642
65	AES Corp.	$1,039,510,135	136
66	Air Products & Chemicals	$1,026,557,482	89
67	SkyWest	$1,010,125,798	339
68	Exelon	$986,892,877	98
69	Pyramid Companies	$973,565,278	93
70	SK Holdings	$960,550,283	8
71	Centene	$916,959,104	67
72	Mazda Toyota Manufacturing, U.S.A., Inc.	$900,000,000	1
73	Apollo Global Management	$899,742,274	614
74	Delta Air Lines	$871,485,833	13
75	Jefferies Financial Group	$871,137,335	16
76	SK Hynix	$866,700,000	2
77	Honda	$854,285,026	98
78	Bayer	$852,475,226	217
79	Shin-Etsu Chemical	$828,683,936	106
80	Enterprise Products Partners	$826,988,371	89
81	SunEdison	$821,563,157	124
82	Goldman Sachs	$800,873,386	253
83	Bank of America	$798,465,317	957
84	Warner Bros. Discovery Inc.	$787,468,003	220
85	E.ON	$786,865,473	40
86	EDF-Electricite de France	$781,143,574	36
87	Triple Five Worldwide	$748,000,000	4
88	EDP-Energias de Portugal	$733,674,868	14
89	Related Companies	$714,675,504	8
90	Koch Industries	$698,421,970	518
91	Caithness Energy	$672,688,888	30
92	Dell Technologies	$658,417,951	185
93	Wells Fargo	$657,333,216	543
94	FedEx	$649,583,890	637
95	Entergy	$638,533,387	235
96	OCI N.V.	$627,879,406	5
97	Chevron Phillips Chemical	$619,839,444	20
98	Bedrock Detroit	$618,000,000	1
99	Dominion Energy	$615,465,134	80

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Not the working class (94% of the population). Both parties of the wealthy ruling class are profit-oriented but at least the liberal wing of the wealthy, has enough sense to meet some of the needs of their workers, whereas Trump and his ilk, are going to place all of the nation's resources, goods and services under the control of profit-pursuing capitalists like him. If Musk and Trump have their way, we're entering into a more feudalistic form of capitalism, where people won't have jobs due to advanced automation and artificial intelligence, forcing the government to bail out the ruling class with a monthly check paid to their customer base.

The capitalists rely on paying consumers (the working class) to generate profits, hence the government will create worthless, unproductive consumer serfs, who live off of a monthly government check. The current wealthy ruling class will continue to own the means of production (the mines, factories, genius robots, AI, quantum computers, all of the resources tied to our current supply chain..etc) and what used to be the most overworked, underpaid workforce in the modern, industrialized world, will be reduced to worthless, unproductive, disconnected, consumer-serfs, living off of a government check, that is spent purchasing the products produced by Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos (i.e. the ruling elites/techlords). Welcome to techno-feudalism.

I have hope that the younger Millennials and Zoomers will rebel and take control of the means of production. The US government will no longer be weaponized by the billionaires against the working class, it will serve the American public (the public good rather than private capital), employing all of the new technology (the advanced, intelligent robotics, AI, super-quantum computers, nanotech, biotech) to create a new era of more democracy, extreme abundance, and space-exploration/colonization.

 

[TruthNotBS]

Today as I opened this forum, I found I had 14 thanks, fact awarded to me by the posters here. I got perhaps 4 like yours that did not agree.

I am on a roll buddy. How did you fare today?

That's a logical fallacy. Learn to think old man.

 

[Robert W]

Now you're talking. One of the parties should nominate someone who's mentally competent. So crazy it just might work!

Lets check who is competent. Biden has 2 houses. One he paid $350,000 for and one he paid 2.7 million for. Not bad for a congressman. I was a mortgage lender. I find it remarkable at the loans congress is able to get that normal peole find impossible to get.

Trump has living quarters

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As one of Trump's more under-the-radar residences, Seven Springs has 60 rooms—15 of which are bedrooms—in addition to a bowling alley and three pools. He reportedly paid $7.5 million for the property in 1996 and planned to turn it into a golf course but it has remained a private house to this day (probably because of vehement opposition to the plan from local residents). Today the property is worth $24 million, according to Forbes.

Here:

Get this, this is where Trump started:

 

[Robert W]

That's a logical fallacy. Learn to think old man.

Well you sure learned not to think, just how to insult.

 

[TruthNotBS]

Lets check who is competent. Biden has 2 houses. One he paid $350,000 for and one he paid 2.7 million for. Not bad for a congressman. I was a mortgage lender. I find it remarkable at the loans congress is able to get that normal peole find impossible to get.

Trump has living quarters

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As one of Trump's more under-the-radar residences, Seven Springs has 60 rooms—15 of which are bedrooms—in addition to a bowling alley and three pools. He reportedly paid $7.5 million for the property in 1996 and planned to turn it into a golf course but it has remained a private house to this day (probably because of vehement opposition to the plan from local residents). Today the property is worth $24 million, according to Forbes.

Here:

Get this, this is where Trump started:

It's nice to have a multimillionaire daddy, huh? You're a brainwashed drone.

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[Robert W]

I don't want to speak for him, but I'll ask a similar question… If Trump were to betray the principles he has claimed to stand for, abandon campaign promises and sign off on legislation and policies that are a betrayal to America-first, would you still defend and support him?

Look, I abandoned Jimmy Carter for doing that and if Trump pulls that stunt, I will abandon Trump the same way. Only I won't join the Democrats again.

Here is my puzzle. Biden did all of that. I did notice he got abandoned. So why did they think his VP would win given when she ran for president, she was so bad her own party abandoned her?

 

[TruthNotBS]

Well you sure learned not to think, just how to insult.

You're an irrational, old piece of shit, and for you to pretend you're not insulting me and everyone else that disagrees with you underscores your hypocrisy. You like to dish it out but apparently, you're unable to take it. You're a horrible person and the sooner people like you are no longer here, the better humanity will be. Good riddance.

 

[Robert W]

It's nice to have a multimillionaire daddy, huh? You're a brainwashed drone.

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So you think his dads home that I showed you the picture of was really great?

Trump owns mansions, not homes on a city street like his dads home.

 

[Robert W]

You're an irrational, old piece of shit, and for you to pretend you're not insulting me and everyone else that disagrees with you underscores your hypocrisy. You like to dish it out but apparently, you're unable to take it. You're a horrible person and the sooner people like you are no longer here, the better humanity will be. Good riddance.

WOW, I congratulate you for being an expert insulter and you proved it again. Wonderful.

 

[TruthNotBS]

So you think his dads home that I showed you the picture of was really great?

Trump owns mansions, not homes on a city street like his dads home.

It's not that difficult to be wealthy when you're born into wealth. The fact that you're venerating, and worshiping these people when so many Americans are struggling to make ends meet shows how dark and putrid your soul is. You're a brainwashed, bootlicking tool.

 

[BackAgain]

Have you read BrokeLoser's posts? On this thread, and elsewhere?

Irrelevant.

You posted the idiotic OP.

 

[TruthNotBS]

WOW, I congratulate you for being an expert insulter and you proved it again. Wonderful.

As if someone insulting you somehow renders their opinions incorrect. Again, learn to think rationally. I never complain about people insulting me here on the forum or being rude to me, because I'm smart enough to know that just because someone is rude, doesn't imply that they're wrong. They can be rude and RIGHT and I can be soft-spoken, "nice" and WRONG. You're an irrational, rude old fart, that doesn't like being challenged. Well, too bad asshole.

 

[Robert W]

It's not that difficult to be wealthy when you're born into wealth. The fact that you're venerating, and worshiping these people when so many Americans are struggling to make ends meet shows how dark and putrid your soul is. You're a brainwashed, bootlicking tool.

Trump's dad had his kids living in a nice home on a city street not really far off of the Obama home in DC. I can show you it is pretty much similar.

Now Trumps kids have enormous estates, golf courses, homes in NY that stagger the imagination and you claim Donald had it easy.

If you keep hating the rich, you may not rise above a tract home in some small town where the sun rising is the major event.

My aim is not to worship. I saw how bad the worship of Biden was. I won't emulate that.

 

[Robert W]

As if someone insulting you somehow renders their opinions incorrect. Again, learn to think rationally. I never complain about people insulting me here on the forum or being rude to me, because I'm smart enough to know that just because someone is rude, doesn't imply that they're wrong. They can be rude and RIGHT and I can be soft-spoken, "nice" and WRONG. You're an irrational, rude old fart, that doesn't like being challenged. Well, too bad asshole.

Maybe you know. Why do Democrats still worship Clinton? Come to think it over, why do they worship Obama?

Carter lived in a very modest home in Plains GA. Why do they worship him?

 

[dblack]

Irrelevant.

You posted the idiotic OP.

Duck and dodge. Troll on.

 

[TruthNotBS]

Trump's dad had his kids living in a nice home on a city street not really far off of the Obama home in DC. I can show you it is pretty much similar.

Now Trumps kids have enormous estates, golf courses, homes in NY that stagger the imagination and you claim Donald had it easy.

If you keep hating the rich, you may not rise above a tract home in some small town where the sun rising is the major event.

My aim is not to worship. I saw how bad the worship of Biden was. I won't emulate that.

Trump's daddy was a multimillionaire, hence Don had full access to every resource he needed to live the good life. The working class could live much better, if not for assholes like you, who worship their masters.

ROBERT, THE SELF-HATING WORKER.

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[BackAgain]

Duck and dodge. Troll on.

No no. I’m sticking to the utterly retarded topic.

You just don’t like it.

This entire thread is trolling.

 

[dblack]

No no. I’m sticking to the utterly retarded topic.

You just don’t like it.

This entire thread is trolling.

Mkay

 

[Nostra]

No no. I’m sticking to the utterly retarded topic.

You just don’t like it.

This entire thread is trolling.

Let me demonstrate the “logic” of this thread:

I know dblack has never been to Tijuana, but what would you think of him if he suddenly decided to move there and make his living on the main stage doing donkey dances?

Obviously, the chance of this happening is zero, but I expect well thought out and respectful responses.