Poll for Trump Supporters: Will you push back if he goes full fascist?

[dblack]

They may think you are attempting to insult them rather than ask a sincere question. Because the idea of Trump-as-fascist is so silly.

I don't think it's entirely silly. Trump has said some pretty outrageous things. Most Trump supporters write this off as him just trolling the left - and I mostly agree. But it's not necessarily clear when he's trolling and when he's not. So I get why people might be concerned. Thus the question.

I'd honestly hoped this thread would be a chance for Trump supporters to say, "Ok, I think the worry that Trump will govern like a fascist is silly, but if your concerns turn out to be valid - know that I won't support him if he goes there." And I guess if they weren't so suspicious of the question, more of them might answer that way. That's where, in my view, the extreme partisan "warfare" view of politics turns us into nitwits.

Trump shows no sign of being inclined to fascism. Not unless you count thoughts of using the next administration DOJ to go after the fascists in the current DOJ. They conducted more than eight years of lawfare against him and many of his supporters. That included ordinary Americans who support Trump, or as the current administration calls them, "garbage."

I would consider investigating and prosecuting people who misused the justice system to be more of a response to fascism. In the same way that the death penalty is not murder, but rather a response to murder.

The "revenge tour" aspect of Trump's election is a legitimate concern in my view. It could easily turn into the same kind of "lawfare" that Democrats are accused of. It could even get worse. Hopefully it won't. But when I read posts from people like BL:

So how does a Party counter fascism without employing its own fascism?

it's troublesome. I'd like to think he's the fringe of the fringe, but I'm not really sure.

 

[Seymour Flops]

I don't think it's entirely silly. Trump has said some pretty outrageous things. Most Trump supporters write this off as him just trolling the left - and I mostly agree. But it's not necessarily clear when he's trolling and when he's not. So I get why people might be concerned. Thus the question.

I'd honestly hoped this thread would be a chance for Trump supporters to say, "Ok, I think the worry that Trump will govern like a fascist is silly, but if your concerns turn out to be valid - know that I won't support him if he goes there." And I guess if they weren't so suspicious of the question, more of them might answer that way. That's where, in my view, the extreme partisan "warfare" view of politics turns us into nitwits.

The "revenge tour" aspect of Trump's election is a legitimate concern in my view. It could easily turn into the same kind of "lawfare" that Democrats are accused of. It could even get worse. Hopefully it won't. But when I read posts from people like BL:


it's troublesome. I'd like to think he's the fringe of the fringe, but I'm not really sure.

I think the news coverage of Trump in the next four years will be much less hysterical than in the last eight.

I think you'll end up being less concerned about "fascism" and much more concerned about the plight of illegal aliens who will be treated as if they had come into the country illegally or something.

I predict that will be the angle the TDS media will approach him from, not the "fascist" idea. The media knows that the majority of its potential audience voted for Trump and will be insulted by such attacks.

The idea that Trump is going to commit as much lawfare against Democrats as Democrats committed against him is made unworkable by the fact that the last eight years of lawfare were set up during the Obama administration during the preceding eight years, while Trump would be starting from scratch if he really wanted to build the DOJ into a machine to go after Democrats as it has been a machine to go after Trump supporters.

Trump will prefer to hype his successes rather than go after people who are now largely irrelevant.

 

[Robert W]

Nothing in your restatement of The Theory of Moral Sentiments addresses my central point that Adam Smith did not advocate unregulated, Friedman-style laissez-faire capitalism. Simply listing Smith’s ideas about sympathy, the impartial spectator, and social norms does nothing to show that he opposed government intervention in cases of market abuse or social harm. In fact, he wrote extensively on the importance of justice, fair play, and institutional safeguards, ideas fully consistent with the argument that markets cannot be left to operate without oversight.

Moreover, none of the passages you provided speaks to the contemporary problem of advanced automation and AI displacing workers, nor do they address how even many staunch free-marketeers now favor government support, like a universal basic income, to maintain consumer demand. In other words, nothing in your reference to The Theory of Moral Sentiments refutes what I said previously or supports an unregulated capitalist model over a more regulated or socialist-oriented approach.

Today as I opened this forum, I found I had 14 thanks, fact awarded to me by the posters here. I got perhaps 4 like yours that did not agree.

I am on a roll buddy. How did you fare today?

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Today as I opened this forum, I found I had 14 thanks, fact awarded to me by the posters here. I got perhaps 4 like yours that did not agree.

I am on a roll buddy. How did you fare today?

You are on a roll with loonies like you.

 

[Robert W]

Most Trump supporters write this off as him just trolling the left - and I mostly agree. But it's not necessarily clear when he's trolling and when he's not. So I get why people might be concerned. Thus the question.

You have not proven to this forum you really understand Fascism. For you to lable Trump something Americans at large simply do not understand either makes no sense. Why not ask them if he believes the moon is made of cheese will we support him?

The Americans posting on this forum can't correctly define Communism. They can't define the nazis. They can't define the US Government. Ask us important things.

We have posters who tell us that some Soviets joined Hitler and waged war on Stalin. It ranges from true to silly.

 

[Robert W]

You are on a roll with loonies like you.

I waste time trying to teach even US Government to you. I am looney for thinking you might actually have an oz of intelligence.

 

[dblack]

You have not proven to this forum you really understand Fascism.

You haven't proven enough reading comprehension to understand that that's not the point. Again, check with your language coach.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Robert W literally has no idea of what is the subject.

 

[Robert W]

You haven't proven enough reading comprehension to understand that that's not the point. Again, check with your language coach.

You said fascism and if that is not the point what the hell are you babbling about?

 

[dblack]

You said fascism and if that is not the point what the hell are you babbling about?

Again. Reading comprehension. I've stated repeatedly I don't think Trump is fascist. And I'm tired of explaining the question to shills and trolls. Look through my previous posts if you want to know what I'm "babbling about".

 

[buttercup]

You said fascism and if that is not the point what the hell are you babbling about?

I don't want to speak for him, but I'll ask a similar question… If Trump were to betray the principles he has claimed to stand for, abandon campaign promises and sign off on legislation and policies that are a betrayal to America-first, would you still defend and support him?

 

[dblack]

I don't want to speak for him, but I'll ask a similar question… If Trump were to betray the principles he has claimed to stand for, abandon campaign promises and sign off on legislation and policies that are a betrayal to America-first, would you still defend and support him?

Google fifty cent army.

 

[buttercup]

Google fifty cent army.

What are you saying…that we have paid posters here? I don't doubt that. But what does that have to do with this question?

 

[dblack]

What are you saying… that we have paid posters here? I don't doubt that. But what does that have to do with this question?

It has to do with the poster you're addressing. Just a hunch.

 

[Seymour Flops]

I don't want to speak for him, but I'll ask a similar question… If Trump were to betray the principles he has claimed to stand for, abandon campaign promises and sign off on legislation and policies that are a betrayal to America-first, would you still defend and support him?

I won't speak for Robert W either, but I'll answer that question.

If Trump stopped acting like Trump and started acting like some alternate universe version of himself that opposed America and wanted America to fail as Democrats seem to, then of course I would no longer defend or support him.

What is the point of even asking that question?

Not rhetorical, I'd like to hear your answer, because I believe I know what it will be and I have a response to that as well.

 

[dblack]

I won't speak for Robert W either, but I'll answer that question.

If Trump stopped acting like Trump and started acting like some alternate universe version of himself that opposed America and wanted America to fail as Democrats seem to, then of course I would no longer defend or support him.

What is the point of even asking that question?

Not rhetorical, I'd like to hear your answer, because I believe I know what it will be and I have a response to that as well.

Since we're all not speaking for one another , I'll answer that question. A lot of people worry that Trump is leading a cult of personality. That his actions don't really matter, and that his followers would go along with anything he does.

 

[BackAgain]

What a disgraceful thread. All hackery. No substance.

Again, one can’t go “full” fascist if one has never done anything fascist.

Unlike the liberals and progressives and the Democrap Parody, Trump supporters oppose fascism.

 

[Nostra]

What a disgraceful thread. All hackery. No substance.

Again, one can’t go “full” fascist if one has never done anything fascist.

Unlike the liberals and progressives and the Democrap Parody, Trump supporters oppose fascism.

The idiot OP has been brainwashed.

 

[BackAgain]

The idiot OP has been brainwashed.

Clearly. And quite pathetic. .

 

[buttercup]

I won't speak for Robert W either, but I'll answer that question.

If Trump stopped acting like Trump and started acting like some alternate universe version of himself that opposed America and wanted America to fail as Democrats seem to, then of course I would no longer defend or support him.

What is the point of even asking that question?

Not rhetorical, I'd like to hear your answer, because I believe I know what it will be and I have a response to that as well.

Good for you. I wasn't going to make another point about that, at least not for now. As I mentioned earlier on the thread, a lot of people weren't answering dblack's question because of the way it was worded. I think for some it was almost like a "when did you stop beating your wife" type question. So I figured just to get the conversation unstuck from how it was before, I'd ask a more clear question.