Police Reform and The Catholic Church

[martybegan]

So your number is bullshit, no link, no believe it, you lying fuck.

Honestly, given the crazy shit you believe, I really don't care much what you believe.

My guess, is you did the research, found my numbers were basically right, and don't want to admit it.

Dude, you use the numbers to make a point, and when called on where you got them, refuse to provide any reference or backing.

So, I call bullshit.

 

[eagle7-31]

Don't panic, but this is one of few posts you have made that has some common sense.

All my posts make sense, just most of you wingnuts are too brainwashed to understand them.

No they don't, just left wing fantasies for the most part.

 

[esalla]

In these discussions of Police misconduct and reform and "don't you dare criticize our police" vs. "all cops are bad", we are losing sight of how we got here. Perhaps a parallel case can offer ways forward.

Let's start with this as a baseline. Most cops are good guys. Even the bad cops joined the police with mostly good intention. 99% of them are doing what they are supposed to be doing. And 1% of them are the ones who are abusing suspects or using excessive force in cases that don't call for it.

By comparison, most Catholic Priests were not engaging in sex abuse. yes, there were some documented 700 priests out off some 42,000 ordained who were engaged in sexual misconduct with children in the US.

The problem with both is not that the majority engaged or even condoned the behavior, but what they did in response to it.

The Catholic Church didn't expell the bad priests. They paid off the families to keep the abuse quiet and often moved the offending priest to another parish without warning them. They got everyone involved to sign NDA's. In short, it was the coverup that was the problem, not just the crime.

Much the same, our Police Departments don't expel the bad cops. You take the most high-profile cases of police misconduct, you find officers who had long records of abusing suspects or civilians, but the police departments did very little to get rid of them. Police Departments investigated themselves, and in 99% of cases, found they had committed no wrongdoing.

I do think the Catholics finally admitted they had a problem, and have done something about it. The police, not so much. Reform is needed.

All Catholicism did was to try to hide the problem, nothing was done to either remove all offenders or prevent new pedophiles from joining the priesthood. In fact this problem has existed for hundreds if not thousands of years, the stupidest thing are Catholics donating to the church to fund and hide this shit

 

[JoeB131]

Dude, you use the numbers to make a point, and when called on where you got them, refuse to provide any reference or backing.

This isn't a college academic paper, dude.

If you have other numbers, fine. Otherwise sit down and shut up.

All Catholicism did was to try to hide the problem, nothing was done to either remove all offenders or prevent new pedophiles from joining the priesthood. In fact this problem has existed for hundreds if not thousands of years, the stupidest thing are Catholics donating to the church to fund and hide this shit

Look, I'm not going to defend Catholicism, but, yes, there were a lot of reforms taken by the Church to address this issue.

Ecclesiastical response to Catholic sexual abuse cases - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Jarlaxle]

You got a link for that 700 our 42k number?

Yes. Not wasting time giving it to you.

Joey to English translation: "No, because I pulled it out of my ass."

 

[Jarlaxle]

If most cops are good, why do they always defend the cops who do deeds that are pure evil and indefensible?

Because all cops are bad. There are no good cops.

 

[Jarlaxle]

In these discussions of Police misconduct and reform and "don't you dare criticize our police" vs. "all cops are bad", we are losing sight of how we got here. Perhaps a parallel case can offer ways forward.

Let's start with this as a baseline. Most cops are good guys. Even the bad cops joined the police with mostly good intention. 99% of them are doing what they are supposed to be doing. And 1% of them are the ones who are abusing suspects or using excessive force in cases that don't call for it.

By comparison, most Catholic Priests were not engaging in sex abuse. yes, there were some documented 700 priests out off some 42,000 ordained who were engaged in sexual misconduct with children in the US.

The problem with both is not that the majority engaged or even condoned the behavior, but what they did in response to it.

The Catholic Church didn't expell the bad priests. They paid off the families to keep the abuse quiet and often moved the offending priest to another parish without warning them. They got everyone involved to sign NDA's. In short, it was the coverup that was the problem, not just the crime.

Much the same, our Police Departments don't expel the bad cops. You take the most high-profile cases of police misconduct, you find officers who had long records of abusing suspects or civilians, but the police departments did very little to get rid of them. Police Departments investigated themselves, and in 99% of cases, found they had committed no wrongdoing.

I do think the Catholics finally admitted they had a problem, and have done something about it. The police, not so much. Reform is needed.

Don't panic, but this is one of few posts you have made that has some common sense.

Even a blind jackass occasionally stumbles on a feedbag.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

In these discussions of Police misconduct and reform and "don't you dare criticize our police" vs. "all cops are bad", we are losing sight of how we got here. Perhaps a parallel case can offer ways forward.

Let's start with this as a baseline. Most cops are good guys. Even the bad cops joined the police with mostly good intention. 99% of them are doing what they are supposed to be doing. And 1% of them are the ones who are abusing suspects or using excessive force in cases that don't call for it.

By comparison, most Catholic Priests were not engaging in sex abuse. yes, there were some documented 700 priests out off some 42,000 ordained who were engaged in sexual misconduct with children in the US.

The problem with both is not that the majority engaged or even condoned the behavior, but what they did in response to it.

The Catholic Church didn't expell the bad priests. They paid off the families to keep the abuse quiet and often moved the offending priest to another parish without warning them. They got everyone involved to sign NDA's. In short, it was the coverup that was the problem, not just the crime.

Much the same, our Police Departments don't expel the bad cops. You take the most high-profile cases of police misconduct, you find officers who had long records of abusing suspects or civilians, but the police departments did very little to get rid of them. Police Departments investigated themselves, and in 99% of cases, found they had committed no wrongdoing.

I do think the Catholics finally admitted they had a problem, and have done something about it. The police, not so much. Reform is needed.

Comparing child molesters to cops is appalling.

 

[esalla]

Dude, you use the numbers to make a point, and when called on where you got them, refuse to provide any reference or backing.

This isn't a college academic paper, dude.

If you have other numbers, fine. Otherwise sit down and shut up.

All Catholicism did was to try to hide the problem, nothing was done to either remove all offenders or prevent new pedophiles from joining the priesthood. In fact this problem has existed for hundreds if not thousands of years, the stupidest thing are Catholics donating to the church to fund and hide this shit

Look, I'm not going to defend Catholicism, but, yes, there were a lot of reforms taken by the Church to address this issue.

Ecclesiastical response to Catholic sexual abuse cases - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

This also happened in the 80's then it went away for a while. Reforms do not matter when the offenders are not ALL IN JAIL

Do you think you could get caught molesting a minor and not go to the pokey.

 

[JoeB131]

Comparing child molesters to cops is appalling.

Naw, I'm comparing how both organizations have a small minority who do bad things, and it refects badly on the whole organization.

yes, shooting a kid while he's playing with a toy is just as bad as molesting him.

This also happened in the 80's then it went away for a while. Reforms do not matter when the offenders are not ALL IN JAIL

Do you think you could get caught molesting a minor and not go to the pokey.

The fact is, most cases of child abuse are done by family members and are never reported or go to jail. The conviction rate for it is actually pretty low.

 

[JoeB131]

Because all cops are bad. There are no good cops.

Wow, so Ditchweed hates cops. Figures.

 

[esalla]

Comparing child molesters to cops is appalling.

Naw, I'm comparing how both organizations have a small minority who do bad things, and it refects badly on the whole organization.

yes, shooting a kid while he's playing with a toy is just as bad as molesting him.

This also happened in the 80's then it went away for a while. Reforms do not matter when the offenders are not ALL IN JAIL

Do you think you could get caught molesting a minor and not go to the pokey.

The fact is, most cases of child abuse are done by family members and are never reported or go to jail. The conviction rate for it is actually pretty low.

Must not have been your kid who got raped

 

[martybegan]

Dude, you use the numbers to make a point, and when called on where you got them, refuse to provide any reference or backing.

This isn't a college academic paper, dude.

If you have other numbers, fine. Otherwise sit down and shut up.

All Catholicism did was to try to hide the problem, nothing was done to either remove all offenders or prevent new pedophiles from joining the priesthood. In fact this problem has existed for hundreds if not thousands of years, the stupidest thing are Catholics donating to the church to fund and hide this shit

Look, I'm not going to defend Catholicism, but, yes, there were a lot of reforms taken by the Church to address this issue.

Ecclesiastical response to Catholic sexual abuse cases - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

you made a claim, and you won't even tell us where you got the numbers from.

put up or shut up.

 

[martybegan]

You got a link for that 700 our 42k number?

Yes. Not wasting time giving it to you.

Joey to English translation: "No, because I pulled it out of my ass."

Yep.

 

[JoeB131]

Must not have been your kid who got raped

Wow, the point went right over your head, didn't it?

you made a claim, and you won't even tell us where you got the numbers from.

Number of Catholic priests on the decline

Over 80 million people identify themselves as Catholics in the United States, an increase of over 30 million since 1965.

www.turnto23.com

.

Looks like my numbers are a bit out of date, it's down to 37,000 today. It was up to 60K a few years ago... Not that it has anything to do with my point, dummy.

Yep.

Wow, you are agreeing with a guy who thinks all cops are bad.

 

[Jarlaxle]

In these discussions of Police misconduct and reform and "don't you dare criticize our police" vs. "all cops are bad", we are losing sight of how we got here. Perhaps a parallel case can offer ways forward.

Let's start with this as a baseline. Most cops are good guys. Even the bad cops joined the police with mostly good intention. 99% of them are doing what they are supposed to be doing. And 1% of them are the ones who are abusing suspects or using excessive force in cases that don't call for it.

By comparison, most Catholic Priests were not engaging in sex abuse. yes, there were some documented 700 priests out off some 42,000 ordained who were engaged in sexual misconduct with children in the US.

The problem with both is not that the majority engaged or even condoned the behavior, but what they did in response to it.

The Catholic Church didn't expell the bad priests. They paid off the families to keep the abuse quiet and often moved the offending priest to another parish without warning them. They got everyone involved to sign NDA's. In short, it was the coverup that was the problem, not just the crime.

Much the same, our Police Departments don't expel the bad cops. You take the most high-profile cases of police misconduct, you find officers who had long records of abusing suspects or civilians, but the police departments did very little to get rid of them. Police Departments investigated themselves, and in 99% of cases, found they had committed no wrongdoing.

I do think the Catholics finally admitted they had a problem, and have done something about it. The police, not so much. Reform is needed.

Comparing child molesters to cops is appalling.

True. Most cops are much worse.

 

[Jarlaxle]

Because all cops are bad. There are no good cops.

Wow, so Ditchweed hates cops. Figures.

I get it, Joey...you worship The State with religious fervor. Police are agents of The State. Therefore, you worship cops.

 

[22lcidw]

In these discussions of Police misconduct and reform and "don't you dare criticize our police" vs. "all cops are bad", we are losing sight of how we got here. Perhaps a parallel case can offer ways forward.

Let's start with this as a baseline. Most cops are good guys. Even the bad cops joined the police with mostly good intention. 99% of them are doing what they are supposed to be doing. And 1% of them are the ones who are abusing suspects or using excessive force in cases that don't call for it.

By comparison, most Catholic Priests were not engaging in sex abuse. yes, there were some documented 700 priests out off some 42,000 ordained who were engaged in sexual misconduct with children in the US.

The problem with both is not that the majority engaged or even condoned the behavior, but what they did in response to it.

The Catholic Church didn't expell the bad priests. They paid off the families to keep the abuse quiet and often moved the offending priest to another parish without warning them. They got everyone involved to sign NDA's. In short, it was the coverup that was the problem, not just the crime.

Much the same, our Police Departments don't expel the bad cops. You take the most high-profile cases of police misconduct, you find officers who had long records of abusing suspects or civilians, but the police departments did very little to get rid of them. Police Departments investigated themselves, and in 99% of cases, found they had committed no wrongdoing.

I do think the Catholics finally admitted they had a problem, and have done something about it. The police, not so much. Reform is needed.

All Catholicism did was to try to hide the problem, nothing was done to either remove all offenders or prevent new pedophiles from joining the priesthood. In fact this problem has existed for hundreds if not thousands of years, the stupidest thing are Catholics donating to the church to fund and hide this shit

The Catholic Church ended up with to many men that were/are self important. It did not help that in more modern times they could not get enough men to become Priests as in the past. But if you go to community after community in this nation, the Church was a central part in the growth of them. They were the center of most neighborhoods. They also used a lot of their donations and tithing to do a lot of good for people. We don't hear about that. What people got for free that had problems, schooling, medical and more. And they got much more more value for the dollar then what the government does. Its just that the government overwhelms everything because of the endless taxation it can get from the citizen.

 

[esalla]

In these discussions of Police misconduct and reform and "don't you dare criticize our police" vs. "all cops are bad", we are losing sight of how we got here. Perhaps a parallel case can offer ways forward.

Let's start with this as a baseline. Most cops are good guys. Even the bad cops joined the police with mostly good intention. 99% of them are doing what they are supposed to be doing. And 1% of them are the ones who are abusing suspects or using excessive force in cases that don't call for it.

By comparison, most Catholic Priests were not engaging in sex abuse. yes, there were some documented 700 priests out off some 42,000 ordained who were engaged in sexual misconduct with children in the US.

The problem with both is not that the majority engaged or even condoned the behavior, but what they did in response to it.

The Catholic Church didn't expell the bad priests. They paid off the families to keep the abuse quiet and often moved the offending priest to another parish without warning them. They got everyone involved to sign NDA's. In short, it was the coverup that was the problem, not just the crime.

Much the same, our Police Departments don't expel the bad cops. You take the most high-profile cases of police misconduct, you find officers who had long records of abusing suspects or civilians, but the police departments did very little to get rid of them. Police Departments investigated themselves, and in 99% of cases, found they had committed no wrongdoing.

I do think the Catholics finally admitted they had a problem, and have done something about it. The police, not so much. Reform is needed.

All Catholicism did was to try to hide the problem, nothing was done to either remove all offenders or prevent new pedophiles from joining the priesthood. In fact this problem has existed for hundreds if not thousands of years, the stupidest thing are Catholics donating to the church to fund and hide this shit

The Catholic Church ended up with to many men that were/are self important. It did not help that in more modern times they could not get enough men to become Priests as in the past. But if you go to community after community in this nation, the Church was a central part in the growth of them. They were the center of most neighborhoods. They also used a lot of their donations and tithing to do a lot of good for people. We don't hear about that. What people got for free that had problems, schooling, medical and more. And they got much more more value for the dollar then what the government does. Its just that the government overwhelms everything because of the endless taxation it can get from the citizen.

Actually a fucking rapist is a fucking rapist

 

[martybegan]

Must not have been your kid who got raped

Wow, the point went right over your head, didn't it?

you made a claim, and you won't even tell us where you got the numbers from.

Number of Catholic priests on the decline

Over 80 million people identify themselves as Catholics in the United States, an increase of over 30 million since 1965.

www.turnto23.com

.

Looks like my numbers are a bit out of date, it's down to 37,000 today. It was up to 60K a few years ago... Not that it has anything to do with my point, dummy.

Yep.

Wow, you are agreeing with a guy who thinks all cops are bad.

Maybe I agreed with his point. Just agreeing with a person's point on one thing doesn't mean you are making them breakfast the next morning. Jeebus.

So what you are saying is that 47,000 or 37,000 was a static count of priests at a given time, with more being added, and some being removed every given year.

The 700 number if I am assuming correctly, is a tabulation of supposed abusers. Total.

Thus the 47k and 37k under-represent the total number of men that were Catholic Priests over the time period the 700 number was applied.

What time period does the 700 number cover?