Physics and why LWIR can not warm oceans... Info for a Clueless Senator Markey and alarmists..

[SSDD]

I really don't care if you want to disagree with every astronomer. I'ts your problem not mine.

The astronomers know that CMB was detected by an instrument cooled to a temperature lower than 2.75K.

Not the original experiment.
The astronomers know that CMB was detected by an instrument with an antenna at around 300K.

No they didn't....I provided you with the facts and you ignored them. Here, once more for your reading pleasure...

Working at Bell Labs in Holmdel, New Jersey, in 1964, Arno Penzias and Robert Wilson were experimenting with a supersensitive, 6 meter (20 ft) horn antenna originally built to detect radio wavesbounced off Echo balloon satellites. To measure these faint radio waves, they had to eliminate all recognizable interference from their receiver. They removed the effects of radar and radio broadcasting, and suppressed interference from the heat in the receiver itself by cooling it with liquid helium to −269 °C, only 4 K above absolute zero.

A liquid helium cooled instrument and they detected a resonance radio frequency...not CMB itself...as I have clearly stated over and over and over and you have ignored over and over and over in favor of what you would rather believe.

 

[Crick]

Yo, numbnuts, where does it say they used liquid helium to cool their 6 meter horn antenna? Have you ever seen a cooled antenna? Ever?

 

[jc456]

Frank, you need to stop lying about what other people say. No one said that was "the new normal". Try to get this through your head. AGW does not mean an end to variation - an end to WEATHER - it means the climate - the long term average of weather - is going to get warmer and that extra warmth is going to make the long term average of that weather more energetic. And the ocean will soon be lapping at your front door and when you scream and cry about the cost of moving since all the insurance companies will have reneged on any coverage, you may find that your government has been listening to you and citizens like you and is unable to help. Won't that be... special. But, hey, those oil company stocks will still be worth...maybe the paper they're printed on.

So you are predicting that winters in NY will be warmer and less snowy or are you waiting to see whats on the Weather Channel next week?

I am not actually making predictions. I am accepting of those being produced by the world's climate scientists. They tell us that the entire world is going to get warmer. They do not tell us that it will never snow again or that Winters are gone forever or any of the other red herring bullshit you, Frank, have a strong tendency to toss about.

I'm betting we'll just have to wait for the top story on the Weather Channel to catch your next prediction about "Climate" in the NE.

I don't get cable TV Frank and therefore do not have access to The Weather Channel. I get my local weather from Weather Underground website. You should try them. I pay very little attention to other people's weather unless it makes the CNN/CBS/BBC/ABC/NBC/Fox websites as news items. I do not go to weather sources for climate information. You shouldn't either.

In any event, the AGWCult just told us that the oceans absorb 93% of this "excess energy" so how is that heating the NE?

The increased deep ocean heating has fueled a very large el Nino. The el Nino is releasing that heat to the atmosphere and accelerating warming worldwide but, of course, with regional variations. That and the normal variations of our chaotic climate have given you (I presume) a warm winter in the NE.

Or is excess heat and "Extra warmth" 2 different things?

Jesus, Frank, the limited value in being a one-trick pony is completely dependent on the assumption that the one-trick actually works. For the umpteenth time, "excess heat" is not a unique or specific thing. It does not have the sort of fixed and constant definition that for reasons beyond my ken, you believe "warmists" maintain for it. If I put a pot on to boil and it explodes into vapor, I've probably applied excess heat. If I go out to cut the grass but collapse from heat prostation, I've probably suffered from excess heat. If the radiator of my car boils over and leaves me in a steaming heap on the side of the road, it's probably suffered from excess heat. If the Earth had been in thermal equilibrium but increasing GHG levels cause the temperature to rise, that rise is being driven by excess heat. Is any of this getting through to you Frank. I was tired of holding your hand on this ten posts back.

You do read AR5 and your other Cult literature, right?

Golly you are funny... and SO clever!

Oh, and these imaginary "rising oceans" seem to have by passed Guam

What are you trying to say here Frank? Is this a seriously dated gibe regarding Congressman Johnson's question to COMPACFLT Admiral Willard? Or do you actually believe that sea levels are not rising?

A few points that seem to have shot right over your head: Johnson's question didn't concern global warming or sea level rise whatsoever. Johnson was talking to Willard about the Navy's plan to move an additional 8,000 servicemen and their 17,000 dependents to Guam and the "capsizing" comment - addressed to an admiral - was an obvious jest. That YOU and your denier buddies didn't seem to catch either point tells us a great deal more about you than Johnson and says absolutely nothing about the science that tells us, unequivocallly, that sea level is rising.

PS: The day you find someone that you actually can belittle for scientific ignorance will be a red-letter day Frank

Physics and why LWIR can not warm oceans... Info for a Clueless Senator Markey and alarmists..

So crick, can man make the air warmer?
how does back radiation make the air hotter? It's the only way man could cause global warming agree?
BTW, Crick, you do have the internet and guess what grasshopper, the weather channel has a web site. Imagine that in today's world. you don't need cable TV to see weather. so you lose yet again.

Hey got that scientist name that is not funded by government money yet? Why are you ignoring that question, cause you ain't got a name? Just say that and I'll go away,

 

[Crick]

THAT

 

[SSDD]

Yo, numbnuts, where does it say they used liquid helium to cool their 6 meter horn antenna? Have you ever seen a cooled antenna? Ever?

Can't read huh? Sad.

They removed the effects of radar and radio broadcasting, and suppressed interference from the heat in the receiver itself by cooling it with liquid helium to −269 °C, only 4 K above absolute zero.

 

[Crick]

Wow, you are the tech heavy. An antenna is not a receiver and you will never find anyone that ever cooled a 6 meter antenna with anything, much less liquid helium. If you disagree, show us a picture - or even a clear, text description - of a 6 meter horn antenna cooled with liquid helium. It should be an interesting arrangement. Tell you what, find us one for sale that states it has cooling apparatus built in or on or that it can be added. Surely, smaller horns would be easier to cool and thus more common. Find us one, eh?

 

[jc456]

Wow, you are the tech heavy. An antenna is not a receiver and you will never find anyone that ever cooled a 6 meter antenna with anything, much less liquid helium. If you disagree, show us a picture - or even a clear, text description - of a 6 meter horn antenna cooled with liquid helium. It should be an interesting arrangement.

Physics and why LWIR can not warm oceans... Info for a Clueless Senator Markey and alarmists..
Dude, does an antenna transmit then? holy crap the stupid that flows in your posts is remarkable.

 

[Crick]

Note that none of these has any provision for cooling. The large ones show no signs of being cooled. Both are in environments with relatively high humidity yet we see no sign of condensation, frost or the like. None of these antenna are sporting any insulation. And we have never seen a picture of a cooled antenna, have we. That's because no one cools antennnas. That's because it's not necessary. All matter radiates in all directions. SSDD's ideas otherwise are harebrained 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The large horn in the second shot is the one Penzias and Wilson used to discover the CMB.

I have one of these in my office. We use it to transmit calibrated signals when we do PMs on our two threat simulators. It has no provision for cooling.

 

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Note that none of these has any provision for cooling. The large ones show no signs of being cooled. Both are in environments with relatively high humidity yet we see no sign of condensation, frost or the like. None of these antenna are sporting any insulation. And we have never seen a picture of a cooled antenna, have we. That's because no one cools antennnas. That's because it's not necessary. All matter radiates in all directions. SSDD's ideas otherwise are harebrained 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The large horn in the second shot is the one Penzias and Wilson used to discover the CMB.

I have one of these in my office. We use it to transmit calibrated signals when we do PMs on our two threat simulators. It has no provision for cooling.

So curious, do they only point in one direction or do they continually rotate 360 degrees?

 

[Crick]

They are normally fixed (but usually adjustable). They would be a bit awkward to rotate. Largish mass and moment of inertia

 

[SSDD]

Wow, you are the tech heavy. An antenna is not a receiver and you will never find anyone that ever cooled a 6 meter antenna with anything, much less liquid helium. If you disagree, show us a picture - or even a clear, text description - of a 6 meter horn antenna cooled with liquid helium. It should be an interesting arrangement. Tell you what, find us one for sale that states it has cooling apparatus built in or on or that it can be added. Surely, smaller horns would be easier to cool and thus more common. Find us one, eh?

You miss the entire point crick...when CMB was first discovered...it was via a resonance radio frequency....and it was detected by a radio telescope that has nothing to do with IR radiation. You are arguing a non point....when CMB itself was actually measured, it was done with an instrument cooled to a temperature lower than 2.75K.

 

[Crick]

Despite your extensive efforts to dodge, I am NOT missing the point. Radio and IR are both electromagnetic radiation. They both obey Stefan-Boltzman and the laws of themodynamics. Your claim that cold cannot radiate at hot would apply to both of them. You have no choice in the matter. The CMB was detected via reflections from a horn antenna that was at AMBIENT temperature, hundreds of celsius degrees above the CMB's source temperature. It's a very clear demonstration that your contention regarding radiative heat transfer is the ignorant bullshit every educated person on this board has tried to tell you it was. I applaud Wuwei for having spotted this one.

Eat me.

 

[jc456]

They are normally fixed (but usually adjustable). They would be a bit awkward to rotate. Largish mass and moment of inertia

Why does it matter where they face?

 

[SSDD]

Despite your extensive efforts to dodge, I am NOT missing the point. Radio and IR are both electromagnetic radiation. .

So are you saying that radio signals depend have a temperature?.....correct me if you are wrong, but that seems to be what you are saying.

 

[Crick]

Their source certainly has a temperature.

Hunting for another bob and weave?

 

[jc456]

Their source certainly has a temperature.

Hunting for another bob and weave?

You sure are hung on correlation

 

[Crick]

Corrrelation? You seem to be in the wrong thread; else you are speaking from a deeper than usual ignorance.

 

[jc456]

Corrrelation? You seem to be in the wrong thread; else you are speaking from a deeper than usual ignorance.

Well the thread is about lwir and you're discussing CMB. Why?

 

[Crick]

FOR SSDD

THEIR SOURCE CERTAINLY HAS A TEMPERATURE

Hunting for another bob and weave?

 

[jc456]

FOR SSDD

THEIR SOURCE CERTAINLY HAS A TEMPERATURE

Hunting for another bob and weave?

Well again the thread is lwir. And everything has a temperature and you like correlations. None of which are causal