Physics and why LWIR can not warm oceans... Info for a Clueless Senator Markey and alarmists..

[Billy_Bob]

Physics and why LWIR can not warm oceans... Info for Clueless Senator Markey and alarmists..

Physics tells us that CO2 emitted LWIR (Long Wave Infrared Radiation) CANNOT influence anything but INCREASED evaporation rates which, actually cools the body of water.

The ocean is where AGW fails in the first few microns. Every combined SST & land temp chart “proving” AGW is meaningless because LWIR/CO2 can not heat water. Karl Et Al attempts to show increased SST's to erase the pause, but this only disproves AGW and affirms the sun and natural climate variability.

Downward LWIR radiation will all be captured in the top 5-50 microns of water surface. This leads to higher surface evaporation, which actually cools the surface thin layer. This will also cool the ambient air above it as the heat rises rapidly and water vapor collects the IR near surface.

When you look at the heat loss for downward surface (4/1 raito) transfer (of LWIR) it is highly unlikely that any warming can be caused by LWIR emitted from CO2. Only Short wave IR is capable of warming the oceans beyond 50 microns and CO2 emitted IR is insufficient to heat even the surface layer of 50 microns.

Its Rather telling that Senator Markey failed to recognize even basic physics when he was schooled by Ross Mckitrick, Judith Curry and Mark Styne on not only the snow storms he falsely claimed were caused by AGW but surface temperature, water vapor, and those who hide their work paid for by public funding.





Let the schooling begin.. Even COP21 is dead locked and failing..

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Even Crick admitted that "Excess heat" was a fiction and didn't make any sense

 

[Billy_Bob]

Tables turned: Scientist Judith Curry and Author Mark Steyn question, school Sen Markey on climate

Full rounds of video on the testimony given at the above link..

 

[Billy_Bob]

Even Crick admitted that "Excess heat" was a fiction and didn't make any sense

Making Progress on Crick? He wont even admit that he has no empirical evidence to support his religion.. He must be sick..

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Even Crick admitted that "Excess heat" was a fiction and didn't make any sense

Making Progress on Crick? He wont even admit that he has no empirical evidence to support his religion.. He must be sick..

Well he made the comment without realizing that AR5 bases its "the oceans ate my warming" conclusion on the concept of "Excess heat" So as soon as I pointed out to him that excess heat is important to AR5, he started dialing back his ridicule of the concept.

I read AR5, Crick --not so much

 

[Billy_Bob]

Even Crick admitted that "Excess heat" was a fiction and didn't make any sense

Making Progress on Crick? He wont even admit that he has no empirical evidence to support his religion.. He must be sick..

Well he made the comment without realizing that AR5 bases its "the oceans ate my warming" conclusion on the concept of "Excess heat" So as soon as I pointed out to him that excess heat is important to AR5, he started dialing back his ridicule of the concept.

I read AR5, Crick --not so much

There are multiple items by themselves which disprove AGW. This is just one more item. When you consider the temp records (unaltered of course) and the failure of CO2 to cause any incremental increase of the natural temperature rise and the pause of no temp rise while CO2 continued to increase, there isn't much left of AGW that anyone with any scientific knowledge would agree with.

But i digress, there are many who refuse to use critical thinking skills and believe what they are being feed..

 

[Old Rocks]

Climate Change

(Adopted by Council on November 18, 2007)

Emissions of greenhouse gases from human activities are changing the atmosphere in ways that affect the Earth's climate. Greenhouse gases include carbon dioxide as well as methane, nitrous oxide and other gases. They are emitted from fossil fuel combustion and a range of industrial and agricultural processes.

The evidence is incontrovertible: Global warming is occurring.

If no mitigating actions are taken, significant disruptions in the Earth’s physical and ecological systems, social systems, security and human health are likely to occur. We must reduce emissions of greenhouse gases beginning now.

Because the complexity of the climate makes accurate prediction difficult, the APS urges an enhanced effort to understand the effects of human activity on the Earth’s climate, and to provide the technological options for meeting the climate challenge in the near and longer terms. The APS also urges governments, universities, national laboratories and its membership to support policies and actions that will reduce the emission of greenhouse gases.

Climate Change Commentary
(adopted by Council on April 18, 2010)

There is a substantial body of peer reviewed scientific research to support the technical aspects of the 2007 APS statement. The purpose of the following commentary is to provide clarification and additional details.

The first sentence of the APS statement is broadly supported by observational data, physical principles, and global climate models. Greenhouse gas emissions are changing the Earth's energy balance on a planetary scale in ways that affect the climate over long periods of time (~100 years). Historical records indicate that the Earth’s climate is sensitive to energy changes, both external (the sun’s radiative output, changes in Earth’s orbit, etc.) and internal. Internal to our global system, it is not just the atmosphere, but also the oceans and land that are involved in the complex dynamics that result in global climate. Aerosols and particulates resulting from human and natural sources also play roles that can either offset or reinforce greenhouse gas effects. While there are factors driving the natural variability of climate (e.g., volcanoes, solar variability, oceanic oscillations), no known natural mechanisms have been proposed that explain all of the observed warming in the past century. Warming is observed in land-surface temperatures, sea-surface temperatures, and for the last 30 years, lower-atmosphere temperatures measured by satellite. The second sentence is a definition that should explicitly include water vapor. The third sentence notes various examples of human contributions to greenhouses gases. There are, of course, natural sources as well.

So, here is what the physicists state. Perhaps ol' Silly Billy thinks he smarter than all these men and women put together. Presently, this statement is under review, and even though the people reviewing it include, Christie, Lindzen, and Curry, I bet the statement they finally deliver is stronger than this.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Wow, the AGWCult believes in AGW. Thanks, oldrocks, we had no idea

 

[Old Rocks]

Oh wow, the OP is talking about the laws of physics, and I posted what the largest Physicists Scientific Society in the world has to say about AGW, and you call them a cult. LOL

 

[Billy_Bob]

Oh wow, the OP is talking about the laws of physics, and I posted what the largest Physicists Scientific Society in the world has to say about AGW, and you call them a cult. LOL

LOL... You posted agenda driven bull shit while ignoring the physical laws and thermal dynamics.. Now that is telling..

 

[Old Rocks]

Home > Publishers > AIP Publishing > The Journal of Chemical Physics > Volume 35, Issue 6 > Article

A High‐Resolution Study of CO2 Absorption Spectra between 15 and 18 Microns

• 
  Robert P. Madden1
  
  
  J. Chem. Phys. 35, 2083 (1961); http://dx.doi.org/10.1063/1.173221

A study has been made of the absorption due to individual lines and Q branches of CO2 bands in the 15‐to 18‐μ spectral region. The strengths and widths of absorption lines on the low‐frequency side of the v 2 fundamental band and in the 02°0–0110 band of C12O2 16 have been measured. In the latter band the variation of line strength and width with J has been determined as well as the Coriolis interaction parameter. The strengths of five other bands of C12O2 16 have been determined from measurements on their Q branches, and the strengths of the v 2fundamental bands of the isotopes C13O2 16 and O18C12O16 have been estimated. The rotational structure of the v 2 fundamental Q branch for C12O2 16 is partially resolved, and the band constants determined. The v 2 fundamental band head of the O18C12O16isotope is reported.

The spectra were taken in 1956 after construction of the large infrared spectrometer at the Laboratory of Astrophysics and Physical Meteorology, The Johns Hopkins University. This f/6 spectrometer utilizes 3‐in. long curved slits and a 14‐ by 12‐in. grating in a Fastie‐Ebert mounting. It is demonstrated that this instrument has available an optical slit width of 0.06 cm‐1at 17 μ.

Real science, not Silly Billy flapyap.

 

[Billy_Bob]

I grow tired of Old Frauds constant appeals to authority while ignoring science. He seems to think that consensus some how implies that anything is correct, while ignoring simple physical laws. The political statement of a few who do not represent those they claim to represent is SOP for the alarmist shills as they lie about everything to support their agenda.

Old Fraud still has not refuted my questions backed by empirical evidence but he spouts political bull shit ignoring science as if it were proven science.. WHY HASN'T THE 120ppm INCREASE OF CO2 RESULTED IN AN INCREASE OF THE TEMP RISE?

 

[Billy_Bob]

Home > Publishers > AIP Publishing > The Journal of Chemical Physics > Volume 35, Issue 6 > Article

A High‐Resolution Study of CO2 Absorption Spectra between 15 and 18 Microns

• 
  Robert P. Madden1
  
  
  J. Chem. Phys. 35, 2083 (1961); http://dx.doi.org/10.1063/1.173221

A study has been made of the absorption due to individual lines and Q branches of CO2 bands in the 15‐to 18‐μ spectral region. The strengths and widths of absorption lines on the low‐frequency side of the v 2 fundamental band and in the 02°0–0110 band of C12O2 16 have been measured. In the latter band the variation of line strength and width with J has been determined as well as the Coriolis interaction parameter. The strengths of five other bands of C12O2 16 have been determined from measurements on their Q branches, and the strengths of the v 2fundamental bands of the isotopes C13O2 16 and O18C12O16 have been estimated. The rotational structure of the v 2 fundamental Q branch for C12O2 16 is partially resolved, and the band constants determined. The v 2 fundamental band head of the O18C12O16isotope is reported.

The spectra were taken in 1956 after construction of the large infrared spectrometer at the Laboratory of Astrophysics and Physical Meteorology, The Johns Hopkins University. This f/6 spectrometer utilizes 3‐in. long curved slits and a 14‐ by 12‐in. grating in a Fastie‐Ebert mounting. It is demonstrated that this instrument has available an optical slit width of 0.06 cm‐1at 17 μ.

Real science, not Silly Billy flapyap.

And yet they can not ascertain what warming it can drive because the heat LWIR can create is so small the 1/4 ratio required for heat to transfer into the oceans would result in cooling.

The only one flapping your gums is you.. again you ignore physical laws.

 

[SSDD]

Oh my, all them thar ignorant scientists just don't appreciate the genius that is our Silly Billy. Just because he failed his GED is not reason to doubt that genius.

You know that you are being laughed at........don't you? All you have is the tired old appeal to authority which on its face, simply isn't true. We all know, even if you don't, that the political heads of scientific organizations are not the working membership of scientific organizations who in very large numbers are laughing at you also.....and when asked for empirical data that proves the most foundational, first claim of the AGW hypothesis...you strike out every time....but you keep on believing....and trying to convince people with an argument that is transparent as the finest glass.

 

[SSDD]

Wow, the AGWCult believes in AGW. Thanks, oldrocks, we had no idea

His mind works like a hamster on a wheel...his feet are moving so he must be getting somewhere. I don't think the warmers realize just how much comic relief they provide, being unaware that the majority of the people who read their posts see right through them.

 

[SSDD]

Home > Publishers > AIP Publishing > The Journal of Chemical Physics > Volume 35, Issue 6 > Article

A High‐Resolution Study of CO2 Absorption Spectra between 15 and 18 Microns

• 
  Robert P. Madden1
  
  
  J. Chem. Phys. 35, 2083 (1961); http://dx.doi.org/10.1063/1.173221

A study has been made of the absorption due to individual lines and Q branches of CO2 bands in the 15‐to 18‐μ spectral region. The strengths and widths of absorption lines on the low‐frequency side of the v 2 fundamental band and in the 02°0–0110 band of C12O2 16 have been measured. In the latter band the variation of line strength and width with J has been determined as well as the Coriolis interaction parameter. The strengths of five other bands of C12O2 16 have been determined from measurements on their Q branches, and the strengths of the v 2fundamental bands of the isotopes C13O2 16 and O18C12O16 have been estimated. The rotational structure of the v 2 fundamental Q branch for C12O2 16 is partially resolved, and the band constants determined. The v 2 fundamental band head of the O18C12O16isotope is reported.

The spectra were taken in 1956 after construction of the large infrared spectrometer at the Laboratory of Astrophysics and Physical Meteorology, The Johns Hopkins University. This f/6 spectrometer utilizes 3‐in. long curved slits and a 14‐ by 12‐in. grating in a Fastie‐Ebert mounting. It is demonstrated that this instrument has available an optical slit width of 0.06 cm‐1at 17 μ.

Real science, not Silly Billy flapyap.

You don't seem to be able....or willing to grasp that absorption and emission are just that...absorption and emission...those two do not equal warming and are certainly not empirical proof that adding CO2 to the atmosphere will result in warming.

 

[SSDD]

I grow tired of Old Frauds constant appeals to authority while ignoring science. He seems to think that consensus some how implies that anything is correct, while ignoring simple physical laws. The political statement of a few who do not represent those they claim to represent is SOP for the alarmist shills as they lie about everything to support their agenda.

Old Fraud still has not refuted my questions backed by empirical evidence but he spouts political bull shit ignoring science as if it were proven science.. WHY HASN'T THE 120ppm INCREASE OF CO2 RESULTED IN AN INCREASE OF THE TEMP RISE?

Guess he is unaware of the very recent collapse of the consensus that stress causes stomach ulcers.....that dietary fat is bad....that colesterol causes heart disease... Guess he is unaware that in nearly every developing field of science, the consensus is almost always dead wrong...guess he thinks this time will be different because they BELIEVE.....

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Oh wow, the OP is talking about the laws of physics, and I posted what the largest Physicists Scientific Society in the world has to say about AGW, and you call them a cult. LOL

Climate Change $ makes some scientists do and say anything no matter how ridiculous

 

[Old Rocks]

Record El Nino. Record weather disasters worldwide. Warming has now surpassed 1 degree C. But still the Frankie Boys of the world claim nothing at all is happening. They get their news directly from the aliens in the hollow moon.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Record El Nino. Record weather disasters worldwide. Warming has now surpassed 1 degree C. But still the Frankie Boys of the world claim nothing at all is happening. They get their news directly from the aliens in the hollow moon.

Turning on the Weather Channel and shrieking "MANMADE GLOBAL WARMING" is not real science; adjusted data fed through flawed models showing a 1C rise is also not real science

Can you explain the concept of "Excess heat" Crick said it was malarkey, but AR5 said its raising the ocean temps