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The Scrolls were discovered in the modern Occupied West Bank of Palestine. It is for this reason that the Palestians have a claim on them returning to the area in which they were found. It is like the Greeks claiming the Parthenon Marbles which are in England. Why the Dead Sea Scrolls which date from the last three centuries BCE and the first century of the Common Era, were hidden is not known.Just when did the Palestinians possess the Scrolls and why did they hide them in the first place?You are mistaken; cultural artifacts are often so important that they are recognized as belonging to all people and are held in trust as a world heritage. To make the false claim that the Dead Sea Scrolls belong only to Israelis is breathtakingly ignorant.Just who ever was first? does that seem fair? would you accept that rule for your own religious artifacts?
Cultural artifacts belong to the culture who created them. Jewish writings belong to the Jewish people. How is this even a question?
land that was jewish, written by jews for the jewish religion.
There is no land of palestine yet
Mandate was british, before that it was ottoman.
Let them try and take the copper scrolls if they want instead
Israel is not giving up the dead sea scrolls
There is a good case for them remaining in the Israeli museum where they are relatively safe for the moment. They would be safer in the Vatican State where they would be studied by linguists and theologians too.
Hey. Here's an idea. Why don't they stay in Israel, the Jewish State, where they can be studied by, you know, linguists and theologians who are experts in Jewish linguistics and theology and history.
Why would they be less safe in Israel?
The Scrolls are still being studied but for years this was not done properly. I am not an expert on the Scrolls and I have read that they seem to be from a Jewish sect and not necessarily part of Jewish orthodoxy. Remember, Aramaic is one of the languages used as Jesus used it to become a Jewish sect which was to develop into the Christian religion. Also, Greek is the language of some documents and there are even texts which are not part of orthodox Judaism. They are every bit as much Christian as Jewish.You are mistaken again; the Dead Sea Scrolls are still being studied and scholars have no definitive explanation of their origin...
No definitive explanation of their origin? You are kidding, right? They are Hebrew writings (the language of the Jewish people). They narrate the history, myths, legends and religious doctrines of the Jewish people. They were written and used during a time and in a place of Jewish cultural precedence and control.
Are you going to argue that there is no definitive origin of Ebers Papyrus? Are you going to argue that manuscripts written in Egyptian hieroglyph or hieratic can't be definitively explained to be Egyptian in origin? Are you going to argue that Egyptian artifacts are actually Roman artifacts because Rome once conquered most of Egypt?
Please. You are being absolutely ridiculous.
(Not to say that they aren't of interest, possibly, to Christian historians. But interest and cultural heritage are not interchangeable terms).
The Scrolls were discovered in the modern Occupied West Bank of Palestine. It is for this reason that the Palestians have a claim on them returning to the area in which they were found. It is like the Greeks claiming the Parthenon Marbles which are in England. Why the Dead Sea Scrolls which date from the last three centuries BCE and the first century of the Common Era, were hidden is not known.Just when did the Palestinians possess the Scrolls and why did they hide them in the first place?You are mistaken; cultural artifacts are often so important that they are recognized as belonging to all people and are held in trust as a world heritage. To make the false claim that the Dead Sea Scrolls belong only to Israelis is breathtakingly ignorant.Cultural artifacts belong to the culture who created them. Jewish writings belong to the Jewish people. How is this even a question?
land that was jewish, written by jews for the jewish religion.
There is no land of palestine yet
Mandate was british, before that it was ottoman.
Let them try and take the copper scrolls if they want instead
Israel is not giving up the dead sea scrolls
While the majority of Dead Sea Scrolls were written in Hebrew, the collection also includes many Aramaic and Greek texts, as well as some Arabic texts and a small number of Latin fragments.
The Dead Sea Scrolls - Languages and Scripts
There is a good case for them remaining in the Israeli museum where they are relatively safe for the moment. They would be safer in the Vatican State where they would be studied by linguists and theologians too.
Hey. Here's an idea. Why don't they stay in Israel, the Jewish State, where they can be studied by, you know, linguists and theologians who are experts in Jewish linguistics and theology and history.
Why would they be less safe in Israel?
Jerusalem is not the capital of Israel. From the earliest of times the Canaanites and their offshoot Hebrews intermarried, all semites, including the Palestinians and Christians who live in Israel, Gaza and the West Bank today, and even those in Jordan and many in Syria. All over the ME. All Semites.
Let's face it; for safety and security, Jerusalem is not on top of the list of cities these days.Matters were in a state of flux about this time and you are right that the Scrolls were found before Jordan occupied the West Bank but the United Nations had proposed that this area should be Arab. I suppose, strictly speaking, we should say the land of Palestine was under United Nations control. It should be noted that the Kingdom of Jordan still claims possession of the Scrolls.No, the Scrolls were discovered when the Occupied West Bank was part of Jordan. The British Mandate did not extend to the Dead Sea.land that was jewish, written by jews for the jewish religion.
There is no land of palestine yet
Mandate was british, before that it was ottoman.
Let them try and take the copper scrolls if they want instead
Israel is not giving up the dead sea scrolls
Dead sea were discovered in spring of '47, before Jordan occupied the WB illegally.
There is a good case for them remaining in the Israeli museum where they are relatively safe for the moment. They would be safer in the Vatican State where they would be studied by linguists and theologians too.Jordan could not care for them and they were nearly destroyed. Israel build a museum for their preservation and display.
Maybe they should have been left in Beirut instead.
No one else wanted to come up with the money to buy them except a jewish group.
Palestinians certainly did not seem to care about them back then
Now they think they have some claim?
They will stay with Israel, in the jewish state where they belong
They can and have been studied in Jerusalem. Anyone can go there or go online
why would they destroy something sacred to them? your not making sense you seem to be more on an islamophobic rant, rather than discussing the topicYou are mistaken; cultural artifacts are often so important that they are recognized as belonging to all people and are held in trust as a world heritage. To make the false claim that the Dead Sea Scrolls belong only to Israelis is breathtakingly ignorant.
The protection of the world's cultural heritage is indeed a shared interest of all humanity.
However, the culture in question must be respected as the guardians of their own cultural heritage and knowledge and artifacts. Their self-determination in the interpretation, understanding and transmission of that heritage to future generations must be honored. The ownership and custodianship of a culture's heritage is collective, permanent and inalienable.
To make ALL heritage world heritage is to pour everything into the same soup pot and wonder why all the flavour has been lost.
Hand them to the palestinians and they would be destroyed by the first extremist that came along, leaving the world a lesser place. Look at the destruction of cultural artifacts by the arab muslims calling themselves palestinians over the last few decades, all because they could not get their own way. Time for UNESCO to take all artifacts out of islamic control and protect them for future generations to come. Far too many artifacts have been destroyed by islam deliberately and willfully that noting is safe or sacred with them anymore.
O where was UNESCO when the Americans Raped and Stole all of Iraqs protected Cultural Heritage,and these Treasures were on Sale two weeks after the invasion in New York by Zionist Art Dealers......answer me that Shusha considering you are so caring of peoples writings and artifacts.but if two religions both believe one thing is holy to them who decides who gets it?
The people whose culture it belongs to! That is rather the point of UNESCO -- to protect the world's cultural heritage. Jewish writings belong to the Jewish people.
Jordan Alleges that the Dead Sea Scrolls were stolen from the Palestine Archaeological Museum (now the Rockefeller Museum) operated by Jordan from 1966 until the Six-Day Warwhen advancing Israeli forces took control of the Museum, and that therefore they fall under the rules of the 1954 Hague Convention for the Protection of Cultural Property in the Event of Armed Conflict.[164] Jordan regularly demands their return and petitions third-party countries that host the scrolls to return them to Jordan instead of to Israel, claiming they have legal documents that prove Jordanian ownership of the scrolls.
Dead Sea Scrolls - Wikipedia
The Semitic people are the precursors of modern Arabs, so Yes, in a sense. They were written not only in Hebrew but also in Aramaic (the language spoken by Jesus), and Greek. You are right, the area then was not called the West Bank but the Greek Seleucid Empire.The Scrolls were discovered in the modern Occupied West Bank of Palestine. It is for this reason that the Palestians have a claim on them returning to the area in which they were found. It is like the Greeks claiming the Parthenon Marbles which are in England. Why the Dead Sea Scrolls which date from the last three centuries BCE and the first century of the Common Era, were hidden is not known.Just when did the Palestinians possess the Scrolls and why did they hide them in the first place?You are mistaken; cultural artifacts are often so important that they are recognized as belonging to all people and are held in trust as a world heritage. To make the false claim that the Dead Sea Scrolls belong only to Israelis is breathtakingly ignorant.Cultural artifacts belong to the culture who created them. Jewish writings belong to the Jewish people. How is this even a question?
Were the Arabs around then when the scrolls were written in Hebrew and then hidden by Jews? What was the West Bank called in ancient times, Eloy? It certainly wasn't called the West Bank.
REMEMBER: Palestinians demand return of "their" heritage -- Dead Sea ScollsInteresting. Thanks.
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I'm just a bit confused here.
REMEMBER: Palestinians demand return of "their" heritage -- Dead Sea ScollsInteresting. Thanks.
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Normally, I wouldn't care, one way or the other. But just out of curiosity, --- how do the Arab Palestinians come to the conclusion that the Dead Sea Scroll are part of thier heritage?
Languages and Scripts
Dead Sea Scrolls written in Hebrew include biblical texts, non-biblical literary works, and documents such as deeds and letters. While some documents contain specific dates, most are dated on the basis of paleographical analysis (the study of the development of scripts over time), and sometimes with carbon-14 dating. These texts illustrate the vitality of the Hebrew language in ancient Judea.
Most of these Hebrew Scrolls are written in the standard "square" ("Jewish") script, very similar to today’s Modern Hebrew, while several are written in paleo-Hebrew, an ancient script from the First Temple period. Interestingly, some Scrolls written in the standard script use the ancient script specifically for writing the divine name. Additionally, some Scrolls are written in cryptic scripts (Cryptic A, B, and C), which use unusual signs to represent Hebrew alphabet letters.
Scholars commonly speak of "Qumran Hebrew" as a literary Hebrew dialect. Some Scrolls from the Qumran caves have certain distinctive features, such as the use of "plene" spelling (using the letters א, ה, ו, י to indicate vowels), which scholars have identified as "Qumran Scribal Practice." The documents from the refuge caves of the Judean Desert are written in a less formal Hebrew.
Now is must be remembered that the Dead Sea Scrolls were NOT written exclusively in a Hebrew dialect. There are quite a few written in Aramaic and Greek texts; as well as a few number in Arabic texts --- and a small number of Latin fragments have also been discovered.
So, by what logic do the Regional Arabs conclude that they have some claim to the heritage???
Most Respectfully,
R
The Semitic people are the precursors of modern Arabs, so Yes, in a sense. They were written not only in Hebrew but also in Aramaic (the language spoken by Jesus), and Greek. You are right, the area then was not called the West Bank but the Greek Seleucid Empire.The Scrolls were discovered in the modern Occupied West Bank of Palestine. It is for this reason that the Palestians have a claim on them returning to the area in which they were found. It is like the Greeks claiming the Parthenon Marbles which are in England. Why the Dead Sea Scrolls which date from the last three centuries BCE and the first century of the Common Era, were hidden is not known.Just when did the Palestinians possess the Scrolls and why did they hide them in the first place?You are mistaken; cultural artifacts are often so important that they are recognized as belonging to all people and are held in trust as a world heritage. To make the false claim that the Dead Sea Scrolls belong only to Israelis is breathtakingly ignorant.
Were the Arabs around then when the scrolls were written in Hebrew and then hidden by Jews? What was the West Bank called in ancient times, Eloy? It certainly wasn't called the West Bank.
The Arab's weren't around then. They were still on the Saudi Peninsula until they left to conquer the surrounding countries around the seventh century A.D. The scrolls were found in the vicinity of the Hellenistic period Jewish settlement at Khirbet Qumran in the eastern Judaean Desert. now known as the West Bank. Why not tell your friends that they can visit the scrolls at the museum in Israel?
You confuse Muslim with Arab.The Semitic people are the precursors of modern Arabs, so Yes, in a sense. They were written not only in Hebrew but also in Aramaic (the language spoken by Jesus), and Greek. You are right, the area then was not called the West Bank but the Greek Seleucid Empire.The Scrolls were discovered in the modern Occupied West Bank of Palestine. It is for this reason that the Palestians have a claim on them returning to the area in which they were found. It is like the Greeks claiming the Parthenon Marbles which are in England. Why the Dead Sea Scrolls which date from the last three centuries BCE and the first century of the Common Era, were hidden is not known.Just when did the Palestinians possess the Scrolls and why did they hide them in the first place?You are mistaken; cultural artifacts are often so important that they are recognized as belonging to all people and are held in trust as a world heritage. To make the false claim that the Dead Sea Scrolls belong only to Israelis is breathtakingly ignorant.
Were the Arabs around then when the scrolls were written in Hebrew and then hidden by Jews? What was the West Bank called in ancient times, Eloy? It certainly wasn't called the West Bank.
The Arab's weren't around then. They were still on the Saudi Peninsula until they left to conquer the surrounding countries around the seventh century A.D. ...
The Semitic people are the precursors of modern Arabs, so Yes, in a sense. They were written not only in Hebrew but also in Aramaic (the language spoken by Jesus), and Greek. You are right, the area then was not called the West Bank but the Greek Seleucid Empire.The Scrolls were discovered in the modern Occupied West Bank of Palestine. It is for this reason that the Palestians have a claim on them returning to the area in which they were found. It is like the Greeks claiming the Parthenon Marbles which are in England. Why the Dead Sea Scrolls which date from the last three centuries BCE and the first century of the Common Era, were hidden is not known.Just when did the Palestinians possess the Scrolls and why did they hide them in the first place?You are mistaken; cultural artifacts are often so important that they are recognized as belonging to all people and are held in trust as a world heritage. To make the false claim that the Dead Sea Scrolls belong only to Israelis is breathtakingly ignorant.
Were the Arabs around then when the scrolls were written in Hebrew and then hidden by Jews? What was the West Bank called in ancient times, Eloy? It certainly wasn't called the West Bank.
The Arab's weren't around then. They were still on the Saudi Peninsula until they left to conquer the surrounding countries around the seventh century A.D. The scrolls were found in the vicinity of the Hellenistic period Jewish settlement at Khirbet Qumran in the eastern Judaean Desert. now known as the West Bank. Why not tell your friends that they can visit the scrolls at the museum in Israel?
The Semitic people are the precursors of modern Arabs, so Yes, in a sense. They were written not only in Hebrew but also in Aramaic (the language spoken by Jesus), and Greek. You are right, the area then was not called the West Bank but the Greek Seleucid Empire.The Scrolls were discovered in the modern Occupied West Bank of Palestine. It is for this reason that the Palestians have a claim on them returning to the area in which they were found. It is like the Greeks claiming the Parthenon Marbles which are in England. Why the Dead Sea Scrolls which date from the last three centuries BCE and the first century of the Common Era, were hidden is not known.Just when did the Palestinians possess the Scrolls and why did they hide them in the first place?You are mistaken; cultural artifacts are often so important that they are recognized as belonging to all people and are held in trust as a world heritage. To make the false claim that the Dead Sea Scrolls belong only to Israelis is breathtakingly ignorant.
Were the Arabs around then when the scrolls were written in Hebrew and then hidden by Jews? What was the West Bank called in ancient times, Eloy? It certainly wasn't called the West Bank.
The Arab's weren't around then. They were still on the Saudi Peninsula until they left to conquer the surrounding countries around the seventh century A.D. The scrolls were found in the vicinity of the Hellenistic period Jewish settlement at Khirbet Qumran in the eastern Judaean Desert. now known as the West Bank. Why not tell your friends that they can visit the scrolls at the museum in Israel?
The Semitic people are the precursors of modern Arabs, so Yes, in a sense. They were written not only in Hebrew but also in Aramaic (the language spoken by Jesus), and Greek. You are right, the area then was not called the West Bank but the Greek Seleucid Empire.The Scrolls were discovered in the modern Occupied West Bank of Palestine. It is for this reason that the Palestians have a claim on them returning to the area in which they were found. It is like the Greeks claiming the Parthenon Marbles which are in England. Why the Dead Sea Scrolls which date from the last three centuries BCE and the first century of the Common Era, were hidden is not known.Just when did the Palestinians possess the Scrolls and why did they hide them in the first place?
Were the Arabs around then when the scrolls were written in Hebrew and then hidden by Jews? What was the West Bank called in ancient times, Eloy? It certainly wasn't called the West Bank.
The Arab's weren't around then. They were still on the Saudi Peninsula until they left to conquer the surrounding countries around the seventh century A.D. The scrolls were found in the vicinity of the Hellenistic period Jewish settlement at Khirbet Qumran in the eastern Judaean Desert. now known as the West Bank. Why not tell your friends that they can visit the scrolls at the museum in Israel?
Jews, Hebrews, Arabs, same thing.
You confuse Muslim with Arab.The Semitic people are the precursors of modern Arabs, so Yes, in a sense. They were written not only in Hebrew but also in Aramaic (the language spoken by Jesus), and Greek. You are right, the area then was not called the West Bank but the Greek Seleucid Empire.The Scrolls were discovered in the modern Occupied West Bank of Palestine. It is for this reason that the Palestians have a claim on them returning to the area in which they were found. It is like the Greeks claiming the Parthenon Marbles which are in England. Why the Dead Sea Scrolls which date from the last three centuries BCE and the first century of the Common Era, were hidden is not known.Just when did the Palestinians possess the Scrolls and why did they hide them in the first place?
Were the Arabs around then when the scrolls were written in Hebrew and then hidden by Jews? What was the West Bank called in ancient times, Eloy? It certainly wasn't called the West Bank.
The Arab's weren't around then. They were still on the Saudi Peninsula until they left to conquer the surrounding countries around the seventh century A.D. ...
islamic culture includes all jewish and christian historical culture.
why would they destroy something sacred to them?
You confuse Muslim with Arab.The Semitic people are the precursors of modern Arabs, so Yes, in a sense. They were written not only in Hebrew but also in Aramaic (the language spoken by Jesus), and Greek. You are right, the area then was not called the West Bank but the Greek Seleucid Empire.The Scrolls were discovered in the modern Occupied West Bank of Palestine. It is for this reason that the Palestians have a claim on them returning to the area in which they were found. It is like the Greeks claiming the Parthenon Marbles which are in England. Why the Dead Sea Scrolls which date from the last three centuries BCE and the first century of the Common Era, were hidden is not known.Just when did the Palestinians possess the Scrolls and why did they hide them in the first place?
Were the Arabs around then when the scrolls were written in Hebrew and then hidden by Jews? What was the West Bank called in ancient times, Eloy? It certainly wasn't called the West Bank.
The Arab's weren't around then. They were still on the Saudi Peninsula until they left to conquer the surrounding countries around the seventh century A.D. ...
