Palestinians demand return of "their" heritage -- Dead Sea Scolls

[aris2chat]

Jordan destroyed hundreds of torah scrolls and thousands of text and desecrated some thirty+ synagogues before '67

 

[Hossfly]

basically all things jewish and christian are considered holy to muslims

Possibly true. But recognition of the value or holiness of someone else's cultural heritage does not make it your cultural heritage nor does it give you leave to appropriate it.

The Dead Sea Scrolls are part of everyone's heritage, not only Israelis.

I think Eloy should tell some Hindus and Buddhists that the Dead Sea Scrolls are part of their heritage.

Sacred Texts: Buddhist Sacred Texts: The Sutras

 

[Hossfly]

Yes, you read that right -- the Arab Palestinians are going to make a formal request to UNESCO to have "their" cultural heritage, the Dead Sea Scrolls, returned to them.

The audacity of it is shocking.

Next they'll be asking for their Talmud back.

Did the ancient "Palestinians" use phylacteries?

Sacred Texts: Buddhist Sacred Texts: The Sutras

 

[aris2chat]

Yes, you read that right -- the Arab Palestinians are going to make a formal request to UNESCO to have "their" cultural heritage, the Dead Sea Scrolls, returned to them.

The audacity of it is shocking.

Next they'll be asking for their Talmud back.

Did the ancient "Palestinians" use phylacteries?

Sacred Texts: Buddhist Sacred Texts: The Sutras

careful, Pakistani Muslims will be after them next

 

[Hossfly]

scrolls are there for anyone to see in Jerusalem or online
The Dead Sea Scrolls Digital Library

Palestinians would destroy them to wipe the jews off the map of history

The Dead Sea Scrolls were in Charlotte a few years ago. They cause goose bumps.

 

[Shusha]

Just who ever was first? does that seem fair? would you accept that rule for your own religious artifacts?

Cultural artifacts belong to the culture who created them. Jewish writings belong to the Jewish people. How is this even a question?

 

[Shusha]

The Dead Sea Scrolls are part of everyone's heritage, not only Israelis.

Are you kidding me? No. Just no. They are not. The Dead Sea Scrolls are a collection of religious and cultural writings written in Hebrew (and Aramaic and Greek) from BEFORE the invention of either Christianity or Islam. You can't just usurp someone else's cultural heritage and say it belongs to you. No.

You can certainly say that you value that cultural heritage. You can certainly say you adopted some aspects of that cultural heritage. You can say you believe in certain common ideologies. But you can not just take it. The cultural heritage belongs to the culture which created it.

 

[Eloy]

Just who ever was first? does that seem fair? would you accept that rule for your own religious artifacts?

Cultural artifacts belong to the culture who created them. Jewish writings belong to the Jewish people. How is this even a question?

You are mistaken; cultural artifacts are often so important that they are recognized as belonging to all people and are held in trust as a world heritage. To make the false claim that the Dead Sea Scrolls belong only to Israelis is breathtakingly ignorant.

 

[Hossfly]

Just who ever was first? does that seem fair? would you accept that rule for your own religious artifacts?

Cultural artifacts belong to the culture who created them. Jewish writings belong to the Jewish people. How is this even a question?

You are mistaken; cultural artifacts are often so important that they are recognized as belonging to all people and are held in trust as a world heritage. To make the false claim that the Dead Sea Scrolls belong only to Israelis is breathtakingly ignorant.

Just when did the Palestinians possess the Scrolls and why did they hide them in the first place?

 

[aris2chat]

Just who ever was first? does that seem fair? would you accept that rule for your own religious artifacts?

Cultural artifacts belong to the culture who created them. Jewish writings belong to the Jewish people. How is this even a question?

You are mistaken; cultural artifacts are often so important that they are recognized as belonging to all people and are held in trust as a world heritage. To make the false claim that the Dead Sea Scrolls belong only to Israelis is breathtakingly ignorant.

They travel the world on tours from time to time, but they belong to Israel. Anyone can go visit them.

 

[Shusha]

You are mistaken; cultural artifacts are often so important that they are recognized as belonging to all people and are held in trust as a world heritage. To make the false claim that the Dead Sea Scrolls belong only to Israelis is breathtakingly ignorant.

The protection of the world's cultural heritage is indeed a shared interest of all humanity.

However, the culture in question must be respected as the guardians of their own cultural heritage and knowledge and artifacts. Their self-determination in the interpretation, understanding and transmission of that heritage to future generations must be honored. The ownership and custodianship of a culture's heritage is collective, permanent and inalienable.

To make ALL heritage world heritage is to pour everything into the same soup pot and wonder why all the flavour has been lost.

 

[Eloy]

Just who ever was first? does that seem fair? would you accept that rule for your own religious artifacts?

Cultural artifacts belong to the culture who created them. Jewish writings belong to the Jewish people. How is this even a question?

You are mistaken; cultural artifacts are often so important that they are recognized as belonging to all people and are held in trust as a world heritage. To make the false claim that the Dead Sea Scrolls belong only to Israelis is breathtakingly ignorant.

Just when did the Palestinians possess the Scrolls and why did they hide them in the first place?

The Scrolls were discovered in the modern Occupied West Bank of Palestine. It is for this reason that the Palestians have a claim on them returning to the area in which they were found. It is like the Greeks claiming the Parthenon Marbles which are in England. Why the Dead Sea Scrolls which date from the last three centuries BCE and the first century of the Common Era, were hidden is not known.

 

[Eloy]

Just who ever was first? does that seem fair? would you accept that rule for your own religious artifacts?

Cultural artifacts belong to the culture who created them. Jewish writings belong to the Jewish people. How is this even a question?

You are mistaken; cultural artifacts are often so important that they are recognized as belonging to all people and are held in trust as a world heritage. To make the false claim that the Dead Sea Scrolls belong only to Israelis is breathtakingly ignorant.

They travel the world on tours from time to time, but they belong to Israel. Anyone can go visit them.

The ownership belongs to humanity and the Palestinians contest that Israel owns them.

 

[aris2chat]

Just who ever was first? does that seem fair? would you accept that rule for your own religious artifacts?

Cultural artifacts belong to the culture who created them. Jewish writings belong to the Jewish people. How is this even a question?

You are mistaken; cultural artifacts are often so important that they are recognized as belonging to all people and are held in trust as a world heritage. To make the false claim that the Dead Sea Scrolls belong only to Israelis is breathtakingly ignorant.

Just when did the Palestinians possess the Scrolls and why did they hide them in the first place?

The Scrolls were discovered in the modern Occupied West Bank of Palestine. It is for this reason that the Palestians have a claim on them returning to the area in which they were found. It is like the Greeks claiming the Parthenon Marbles which are in England. Why the Dead Sea Scrolls which date from the last three centuries BCE and the first century of the Common Era, were hidden is not known.

land that was jewish, written by jews for the jewish religion.

There is no land of palestine yet

Mandate was british, before that it was ottoman.

Let them try and take the copper scrolls if they want instead

Israel is not giving up the dead sea scrolls

 

[aris2chat]

Just who ever was first? does that seem fair? would you accept that rule for your own religious artifacts?

Cultural artifacts belong to the culture who created them. Jewish writings belong to the Jewish people. How is this even a question?

You are mistaken; cultural artifacts are often so important that they are recognized as belonging to all people and are held in trust as a world heritage. To make the false claim that the Dead Sea Scrolls belong only to Israelis is breathtakingly ignorant.

They travel the world on tours from time to time, but they belong to Israel. Anyone can go visit them.

The ownership belongs to humanity and the Palestinians contest that Israel owns them.

Tough

It is no up for a vote. Israel has them and they will keep them

 

[aris2chat]

Hey, if they want the scroll so bad, perhaps they will buy them from Israel.

Price.............all the land free of palestinians

Israel will hand them over in a flour sack, as dust, and see if the palestinians can put them back together.

 

[Eloy]

Just who ever was first? does that seem fair? would you accept that rule for your own religious artifacts?

Cultural artifacts belong to the culture who created them. Jewish writings belong to the Jewish people. How is this even a question?

You are mistaken; cultural artifacts are often so important that they are recognized as belonging to all people and are held in trust as a world heritage. To make the false claim that the Dead Sea Scrolls belong only to Israelis is breathtakingly ignorant.

Just when did the Palestinians possess the Scrolls and why did they hide them in the first place?

The Scrolls were discovered in the modern Occupied West Bank of Palestine. It is for this reason that the Palestians have a claim on them returning to the area in which they were found. It is like the Greeks claiming the Parthenon Marbles which are in England. Why the Dead Sea Scrolls which date from the last three centuries BCE and the first century of the Common Era, were hidden is not known.

land that was jewish, written by jews for the jewish religion.

There is no land of palestine yet

Mandate was british, before that it was ottoman.

Let them try and take the copper scrolls if they want instead

Israel is not giving up the dead sea scrolls

No, the Scrolls were discovered when the Occupied West Bank was part of Jordan. The British Mandate did not extend to the Dead Sea.

 

[Shusha]

The ownership belongs to humanity and the Palestinians contest that Israel owns them.

The cultural artifacts of the Jewish people, written in Hebrew (the language of the Jewish people) and giving the narrative of the religious faith, histories, myths, legends of Jewish people are the cultural heritage of the Jewish people and as such must be under the guardianship and caretakership of the Jewish people.

Surely you don't pretend to suggest that the guardianship of Egyptian artifacts, say the Amarna Letters, should be under the caretakership of the Japanese, do you?

 

[Hossfly]

Just who ever was first? does that seem fair? would you accept that rule for your own religious artifacts?

Cultural artifacts belong to the culture who created them. Jewish writings belong to the Jewish people. How is this even a question?

You are mistaken; cultural artifacts are often so important that they are recognized as belonging to all people and are held in trust as a world heritage. To make the false claim that the Dead Sea Scrolls belong only to Israelis is breathtakingly ignorant.

Just when did the Palestinians possess the Scrolls and why did they hide them in the first place?

The Scrolls were discovered in the modern Occupied West Bank of Palestine. It is for this reason that the Palestians have a claim on them returning to the area in which they were found. It is like the Greeks claiming the Parthenon Marbles which are in England. Why the Dead Sea Scrolls which date from the last three centuries BCE and the first century of the Common Era, were hidden is not known.

Were the Arabs around then when the scrolls were written in Hebrew and then hidden by Jews? What was the West Bank called in ancient times, Eloy? It certainly wasn't called the West Bank.

 

[Hossfly]

Just who ever was first? does that seem fair? would you accept that rule for your own religious artifacts?

Cultural artifacts belong to the culture who created them. Jewish writings belong to the Jewish people. How is this even a question?

You are mistaken; cultural artifacts are often so important that they are recognized as belonging to all people and are held in trust as a world heritage. To make the false claim that the Dead Sea Scrolls belong only to Israelis is breathtakingly ignorant.

They travel the world on tours from time to time, but they belong to Israel. Anyone can go visit them.

The ownership belongs to humanity and the Palestinians contest that Israel owns them.

In St. Catherine;s Church on Mount Sinai are icons of the 2nd to the 4th century AD. Does this mean that the icons belong to humanity and not to St. Catherine's Church? Maybe you should get word to the Arabs that they should claim this too.