Palestinians demand return of "their" heritage -- Dead Sea Scolls

[Eloy]

Just who ever was first? does that seem fair? would you accept that rule for your own religious artifacts?

Cultural artifacts belong to the culture who created them. Jewish writings belong to the Jewish people. How is this even a question?

You are mistaken; cultural artifacts are often so important that they are recognized as belonging to all people and are held in trust as a world heritage. To make the false claim that the Dead Sea Scrolls belong only to Israelis is breathtakingly ignorant.

The scrolls belong to the Jewish people, like any other sacred artifacts of Judaism belong to the Jewish people. What do Muslims have to do with Hebrew scrolls?

Are you history thieves or just pure insane, Pro-Palestinians?

Since the Scrolls were housed in an East Jerusalem museum and illegally seized by the Israelis in 1967, it can be argued that Palestine has the highest claim on their custodial care in their proposed capital of East Jerusalem.

 

[Eloy]

You are mistaken; cultural artifacts are often so important that they are recognized as belonging to all people and are held in trust as a world heritage. To make the false claim that the Dead Sea Scrolls belong only to Israelis is breathtakingly ignorant.

Just when did the Palestinians possess the Scrolls and why did they hide them in the first place?

The Scrolls were discovered in the modern Occupied West Bank of Palestine. It is for this reason that the Palestians have a claim on them returning to the area in which they were found. It is like the Greeks claiming the Parthenon Marbles which are in England. Why the Dead Sea Scrolls which date from the last three centuries BCE and the first century of the Common Era, were hidden is not known.

land that was jewish, written by jews for the jewish religion.

There is no land of palestine yet

Mandate was british, before that it was ottoman.

Let them try and take the copper scrolls if they want instead

Israel is not giving up the dead sea scrolls

No, the Scrolls were discovered when the Occupied West Bank was part of Jordan. The British Mandate did not extend to the Dead Sea.

The West Bank was never legally part of Jordan, and Jordan knew and still knows it.

Wow. I'm stunned by the amount of disimformation in this place. Jeez.

East Jerusalem is not part of Israel but occupied Palestinian territory.

 

[aris2chat]

Just who ever was first? does that seem fair? would you accept that rule for your own religious artifacts?

Cultural artifacts belong to the culture who created them. Jewish writings belong to the Jewish people. How is this even a question?

You are mistaken; cultural artifacts are often so important that they are recognized as belonging to all people and are held in trust as a world heritage. To make the false claim that the Dead Sea Scrolls belong only to Israelis is breathtakingly ignorant.

The scrolls belong to the Jewish people, like any other sacred artifacts of Judaism belong to the Jewish people. What do Muslims have to do with Hebrew scrolls?

Are you history thieves or just pure insane, Pro-Palestinians?

Since the Scrolls were housed in an East Jerusalem museum and illegally seized by the Israelis in 1967, it can be argued that Palestine has the highest claim on their custodial care in their proposed capital of East Jerusalem.

Givat Ram neighborhood of Jerusalem

 

[aris2chat]

Just when did the Palestinians possess the Scrolls and why did they hide them in the first place?

The Scrolls were discovered in the modern Occupied West Bank of Palestine. It is for this reason that the Palestians have a claim on them returning to the area in which they were found. It is like the Greeks claiming the Parthenon Marbles which are in England. Why the Dead Sea Scrolls which date from the last three centuries BCE and the first century of the Common Era, were hidden is not known.

land that was jewish, written by jews for the jewish religion.

There is no land of palestine yet

Mandate was british, before that it was ottoman.

Let them try and take the copper scrolls if they want instead

Israel is not giving up the dead sea scrolls

No, the Scrolls were discovered when the Occupied West Bank was part of Jordan. The British Mandate did not extend to the Dead Sea.

The West Bank was never legally part of Jordan, and Jordan knew and still knows it.

Wow. I'm stunned by the amount of disimformation in this place. Jeez.

East Jerusalem is not part of Israel but occupied Palestinian territory.

Do you know anything?

Palestinians have no claim on the scrolls

 

[Eloy]

The Scrolls were discovered in the modern Occupied West Bank of Palestine. It is for this reason that the Palestians have a claim on them returning to the area in which they were found. It is like the Greeks claiming the Parthenon Marbles which are in England. Why the Dead Sea Scrolls which date from the last three centuries BCE and the first century of the Common Era, were hidden is not known.

land that was jewish, written by jews for the jewish religion.

There is no land of palestine yet

Mandate was british, before that it was ottoman.

Let them try and take the copper scrolls if they want instead

Israel is not giving up the dead sea scrolls

No, the Scrolls were discovered when the Occupied West Bank was part of Jordan. The British Mandate did not extend to the Dead Sea.

The West Bank was never legally part of Jordan, and Jordan knew and still knows it.

Wow. I'm stunned by the amount of disimformation in this place. Jeez.

East Jerusalem is not part of Israel but occupied Palestinian territory.

Do you know anything?

Palestinians have no claim on the scrolls

Forgive me but I do not answer a person who prefaces their question with an insult.

 

[Phoenall]

Just who ever was first? does that seem fair? would you accept that rule for your own religious artifacts?

Cultural artifacts belong to the culture who created them. Jewish writings belong to the Jewish people. How is this even a question?

You are mistaken; cultural artifacts are often so important that they are recognized as belonging to all people and are held in trust as a world heritage. To make the false claim that the Dead Sea Scrolls belong only to Israelis is breathtakingly ignorant.

The scrolls belong to the Jewish people, like any other sacred artifacts of Judaism belong to the Jewish people. What do Muslims have to do with Hebrew scrolls?

Are you history thieves or just pure insane, Pro-Palestinians?

Since the Scrolls were housed in an East Jerusalem museum and illegally seized by the Israelis in 1967, it can be argued that Palestine has the highest claim on their custodial care in their proposed capital of East Jerusalem.

WHO STOLE EAST JERUSALEM IN 1948 THEN, OR DOESN'T THAT COUNT IN YOUR TWISTED PRO ISLAMONAZI MIND

 

[Phoenall]

Just when did the Palestinians possess the Scrolls and why did they hide them in the first place?

The Scrolls were discovered in the modern Occupied West Bank of Palestine. It is for this reason that the Palestians have a claim on them returning to the area in which they were found. It is like the Greeks claiming the Parthenon Marbles which are in England. Why the Dead Sea Scrolls which date from the last three centuries BCE and the first century of the Common Era, were hidden is not known.

land that was jewish, written by jews for the jewish religion.

There is no land of palestine yet

Mandate was british, before that it was ottoman.

Let them try and take the copper scrolls if they want instead

Israel is not giving up the dead sea scrolls

No, the Scrolls were discovered when the Occupied West Bank was part of Jordan. The British Mandate did not extend to the Dead Sea.

The West Bank was never legally part of Jordan, and Jordan knew and still knows it.

Wow. I'm stunned by the amount of disimformation in this place. Jeez.

East Jerusalem is not part of Israel but occupied Palestinian territory.

When did it become palestinian land then as the evidence of history shows it was Jewish until 1948 when Jordan invaded and took the land illegally from the People of the World. As aris asked " dont you know anything"

 

[Lipush]

Just who ever was first? does that seem fair? would you accept that rule for your own religious artifacts?

Cultural artifacts belong to the culture who created them. Jewish writings belong to the Jewish people. How is this even a question?

You are mistaken; cultural artifacts are often so important that they are recognized as belonging to all people and are held in trust as a world heritage. To make the false claim that the Dead Sea Scrolls belong only to Israelis is breathtakingly ignorant.

The scrolls belong to the Jewish people, like any other sacred artifacts of Judaism belong to the Jewish people. What do Muslims have to do with Hebrew scrolls?

Are you history thieves or just pure insane, Pro-Palestinians?

Since the Scrolls were housed in an East Jerusalem museum and illegally seized by the Israelis in 1967, it can be argued that Palestine has the highest claim on their custodial care in their proposed capital of East Jerusalem.

Again I say, saying this, is like saying a baby is "seized" by his mother because it was naturally "hosted" in the maternity ward.

 

[Eloy]

Just who ever was first? does that seem fair? would you accept that rule for your own religious artifacts?

Cultural artifacts belong to the culture who created them. Jewish writings belong to the Jewish people. How is this even a question?

You are mistaken; cultural artifacts are often so important that they are recognized as belonging to all people and are held in trust as a world heritage. To make the false claim that the Dead Sea Scrolls belong only to Israelis is breathtakingly ignorant.

The scrolls belong to the Jewish people, like any other sacred artifacts of Judaism belong to the Jewish people. What do Muslims have to do with Hebrew scrolls?

Are you history thieves or just pure insane, Pro-Palestinians?

Since the Scrolls were housed in an East Jerusalem museum and illegally seized by the Israelis in 1967, it can be argued that Palestine has the highest claim on their custodial care in their proposed capital of East Jerusalem.

Again I say, saying this, is like saying a baby is "seized" by his mother because it was naturally "hosted" in the maternity ward.

To use your analogy, the seizure of the Scrolls was more the the kidnapping of a newborn by a crazed maternity ward midwife. I hope this helps you understand.

 

[Hossfly]

land that was jewish, written by jews for the jewish religion.

There is no land of palestine yet

Mandate was british, before that it was ottoman.

Let them try and take the copper scrolls if they want instead

Israel is not giving up the dead sea scrolls

No, the Scrolls were discovered when the Occupied West Bank was part of Jordan. The British Mandate did not extend to the Dead Sea.

The West Bank was never legally part of Jordan, and Jordan knew and still knows it.

Wow. I'm stunned by the amount of disimformation in this place. Jeez.

East Jerusalem is not part of Israel but occupied Palestinian territory.

Do you know anything?

Palestinians have no claim on the scrolls

Forgive me but I do not answer a person who prefaces their question with an insult.

Oh yes you did!

 

[aris2chat]

land that was jewish, written by jews for the jewish religion.

There is no land of palestine yet

Mandate was british, before that it was ottoman.

Let them try and take the copper scrolls if they want instead

Israel is not giving up the dead sea scrolls

No, the Scrolls were discovered when the Occupied West Bank was part of Jordan. The British Mandate did not extend to the Dead Sea.

The West Bank was never legally part of Jordan, and Jordan knew and still knows it.

Wow. I'm stunned by the amount of disimformation in this place. Jeez.

East Jerusalem is not part of Israel but occupied Palestinian territory.

Do you know anything?

Palestinians have no claim on the scrolls

Forgive me but I do not answer a person who prefaces their question with an insult.

Givat Ram was never east. Israel

You can't claim that side if the city............ or any side

Jewish will not be denied their religion or their homeland again

Givat Ram was not jordanian nor will it be part of the west bank or palestinian

Why would you have possibly have gotten the idea of the scroll museum being in the east? Obviously you don't know anything

How many ways will keep "trying" to make excuses for claiming what is not palestinian?

Some of those scrolls are also property rights to jewish land.

If palestinians are nice, perhaps Israel will give them a fragment of one of the less significant scrolls for their own museum as a token.

 

[fanger]

Under Resolution 181 (II) adopted in 1947, East Jerusalem, which is home to the museum that held the scrolls until 1967, is part of a "Special International Regime for the City of Jerusalem" that is supposed to be administered by the United Nations, further complicating matters. East Jerusalem was under Jordanian occupation from 1948 to 1967 and has been under Israeli occupation since 1967.
Dead Sea Scrolls - Wikipedia

 

[aris2chat]

Under Resolution 181 (II) adopted in 1947, East Jerusalem, which is home to the museum that held the scrolls until 1967, is part of a "Special International Regime for the City of Jerusalem" that is supposed to be administered by the United Nations, further complicating matters. East Jerusalem was under Jordanian occupation from 1948 to 1967 and has been under Israeli occupation since 1967.
Dead Sea Scrolls - Wikipedia

Givat Ram is not in east jerusalem, not old city, not under Jordanian occupation

Shrine of the book is in Givat Ram

They are the heritage of the jewish people and their faith

 

[Phoenall]

Cultural artifacts belong to the culture who created them. Jewish writings belong to the Jewish people. How is this even a question?

You are mistaken; cultural artifacts are often so important that they are recognized as belonging to all people and are held in trust as a world heritage. To make the false claim that the Dead Sea Scrolls belong only to Israelis is breathtakingly ignorant.

The scrolls belong to the Jewish people, like any other sacred artifacts of Judaism belong to the Jewish people. What do Muslims have to do with Hebrew scrolls?

Are you history thieves or just pure insane, Pro-Palestinians?

Since the Scrolls were housed in an East Jerusalem museum and illegally seized by the Israelis in 1967, it can be argued that Palestine has the highest claim on their custodial care in their proposed capital of East Jerusalem.

Again I say, saying this, is like saying a baby is "seized" by his mother because it was naturally "hosted" in the maternity ward.

To use your analogy, the seizure of the Scrolls was more the the kidnapping of a newborn by a crazed maternity ward midwife. I hope this helps you understand.

That would be the palestinians then, as they have no right to the child. Did an arab muslim calling themselves a palestinian write the scrolls, then transport them to Qumran from a Synagogue ? Remember there were no arab's as we know them today in existence before the 8C and these scrolls predate even this so how can they be their holy relics or sacred artifacts. Even their own holy book says they have no claims on anything from the Jews, including their ancestral lands

 

[Phoenall]

Under Resolution 181 (II) adopted in 1947, East Jerusalem, which is home to the museum that held the scrolls until 1967, is part of a "Special International Regime for the City of Jerusalem" that is supposed to be administered by the United Nations, further complicating matters. East Jerusalem was under Jordanian occupation from 1948 to 1967 and has been under Israeli occupation since 1967.
Dead Sea Scrolls - Wikipedia

That is right you muslims usurped international law again and invaded a CORPUS SEPARARTUM and stole it as your own So anything that was there when Israel freed it for the world was lost for ever to you muslims. Yiou will be losing a lot more of the things you have stolen over the next few years as your oil runs out and the world turns against you more and more.

 

[RoccoR]

fanger, et al,

There are a couple of other thing that the Arab's did that proved to be additional obstacles to the further implementation of Resolution 181 (II) adopted in 1947. The Arabs Palestinians thought they could get Jerusalem just for the demand and taking.

Under Resolution 181 (II) adopted in 1947, East Jerusalem, which is home to the museum that held the scrolls until 1967, is part of a "Special International Regime for the City of Jerusalem" that is supposed to be administered by the United Nations, further complicating matters. East Jerusalem was under Jordanian occupation from 1948 to 1967 and has been under Israeli occupation since 1967.
Dead Sea Scrolls - Wikipedia

(COMMENT)

When in April 1950, Jordan annexed the territories captured by the Arab Legion in the 1948 war –- it included East Jerusalem. Without regard to recognition, Jordan had extended sovereign authority and control over the West Bank and Jerusalem.

In 1967, when Israel gained effective control, the territory was STILL JORDANIAN SOVEREIGN. In 1988, the Jordanians relinquished all ties and control over the West Bank and Jerusalem. At that moment, the only sovereignty to have control was Israel (the West Bank and Jerusalem were "terra nullius"). A Provisional Government had not yet evolved by the Arab Palestinians. The West Bank and Jerusalem were in the hands of the Israelis.

I agree a challenge can be made. But I do not think it is obviouswhat party has the greater claim.

Most Respectfully
R

 

[Eloy]

No, the Scrolls were discovered when the Occupied West Bank was part of Jordan. The British Mandate did not extend to the Dead Sea.

The West Bank was never legally part of Jordan, and Jordan knew and still knows it.

Wow. I'm stunned by the amount of disimformation in this place. Jeez.

East Jerusalem is not part of Israel but occupied Palestinian territory.

Do you know anything?

Palestinians have no claim on the scrolls

Forgive me but I do not answer a person who prefaces their question with an insult.

Givat Ram was never east. Israel

You can't claim that side if the city............ or any side

Jewish will not be denied their religion or their homeland again

Givat Ram was not jordanian nor will it be part of the west bank or palestinian

Why would you have possibly have gotten the idea of the scroll museum being in the east? Obviously you don't know anything

How many ways will keep "trying" to make excuses for claiming what is not palestinian?

Some of those scrolls are also property rights to jewish land.

If palestinians are nice, perhaps Israel will give them a fragment of one of the less significant scrolls for their own museum as a token.

East Jerusalem is in the Occupied Territories.

 

[Phoenall]

The West Bank was never legally part of Jordan, and Jordan knew and still knows it.

Wow. I'm stunned by the amount of disimformation in this place. Jeez.

East Jerusalem is not part of Israel but occupied Palestinian territory.

Do you know anything?

Palestinians have no claim on the scrolls

Forgive me but I do not answer a person who prefaces their question with an insult.

Givat Ram was never east. Israel

You can't claim that side if the city............ or any side

Jewish will not be denied their religion or their homeland again

Givat Ram was not jordanian nor will it be part of the west bank or palestinian

Why would you have possibly have gotten the idea of the scroll museum being in the east? Obviously you don't know anything

How many ways will keep "trying" to make excuses for claiming what is not palestinian?

Some of those scrolls are also property rights to jewish land.

If palestinians are nice, perhaps Israel will give them a fragment of one of the less significant scrolls for their own museum as a token.

East Jerusalem is in the Occupied Territories.

occupied by Jordan from 1948 to 1988 when they gave it up and handed it to Israel.Dont forget Jordan invaded mandate of palestine lands illegally and against res 181 and the UN charter

 

[Shusha]

I agree a challenge can be made. But I do not think it is obvious what party has the greater claim.

Most Respectfully
R

Rocco, I'm not sure what you mean by this. The responsibility and guardianship for the preservation of a people's culture resides with the culture which created it. Shifting borders and shifting national allegiances do not change the ownership of a cultural heritage or artifact.

 

[Lipush]

Cultural artifacts belong to the culture who created them. Jewish writings belong to the Jewish people. How is this even a question?

You are mistaken; cultural artifacts are often so important that they are recognized as belonging to all people and are held in trust as a world heritage. To make the false claim that the Dead Sea Scrolls belong only to Israelis is breathtakingly ignorant.

The scrolls belong to the Jewish people, like any other sacred artifacts of Judaism belong to the Jewish people. What do Muslims have to do with Hebrew scrolls?

Are you history thieves or just pure insane, Pro-Palestinians?

Since the Scrolls were housed in an East Jerusalem museum and illegally seized by the Israelis in 1967, it can be argued that Palestine has the highest claim on their custodial care in their proposed capital of East Jerusalem.

Again I say, saying this, is like saying a baby is "seized" by his mother because it was naturally "hosted" in the maternity ward.

To use your analogy, the seizure of the Scrolls was more the the kidnapping of a newborn by a crazed maternity ward midwife. I hope this helps you understand.

Not only the comparison is wrong, it makes absolutely no sense, whatsoever.