Palestinians demand return of "their" heritage -- Dead Sea Scolls

[montelatici]

What makes the Muslim Palestinians think they have the right to own any type of historical Christian documents?
They don't.

Palestinians were Jews at the time of the writing of the scrolls. This was before and during the beginning of the Christian religion and centuries before Islam.

Don't confuse her with facts. I want her to explain who these Jewish Christians are.

 

[peach174]

What makes the Muslim Palestinians think they have the right to own any type of historical Christian documents?
They don't.

Palestinians were Jews at the time of the writing of the scrolls. This was before and during the beginning of the Christian religion and centuries before Islam.

No they weren't.

 

[montelatici]

And there are people that actually agree with her about these Jewish Christians. LOL

 

[peach174]

What makes the Muslim Palestinians think they have the right to own any type of historical Christian documents?
They don't.

Palestinians were Jews at the time of the writing of the scrolls. This was before and during the beginning of the Christian religion and centuries before Islam.

Don't confuse her with facts. I want her to explain who these Jewish Christians are.

If you need it explained then educate yourself and look it up at actual historical sites of who they were.

Don't take my word for it.

 

[montelatici]

You mean the sites of the Jewish Christians? Are there any of these Jewish Christians around now?

 

[montelatici]

So let me get this straight, these Jewish Christians are people that follow Judaism but believe in Jesus Christ?

 

[Eloy]

What makes the Muslim Palestinians think they have the right to own any type of historical Christian documents?
They don't.

Palestinians were Jews at the time of the writing of the scrolls. This was before and during the beginning of the Christian religion and centuries before Islam.

No they weren't.

Thanks for that worthy contradiction.

 

[peach174]

What makes the Muslim Palestinians think they have the right to own any type of historical Christian documents?
They don't.

Palestinians were Jews at the time of the writing of the scrolls. This was before and during the beginning of the Christian religion and centuries before Islam.

No they weren't.

Thanks for that worthy contradiction.

No contradiction.
FACT

 

[montelatici]

What makes the Muslim Palestinians think they have the right to own any type of historical Christian documents?
They don't.

Palestinians were Jews at the time of the writing of the scrolls. This was before and during the beginning of the Christian religion and centuries before Islam.

No they weren't.

Thanks for that worthy contradiction.

No contradiction.
FACT

So you believe that Jewish Christians have more rights to Christian artifacts than Christian Christians.

Can you point us to where the descendants of these Jewish Christians now live?

 

[peach174]

What makes the Muslim Palestinians think they have the right to own any type of historical Christian documents?
They don't.

Palestinians were Jews at the time of the writing of the scrolls. This was before and during the beginning of the Christian religion and centuries before Islam.

No they weren't.

Thanks for that worthy contradiction.

No contradiction.
FACT

So you believe that Jewish Christians have more rights to Christian artifacts than Christian Christians.

Can you point us to where the descendants of these Jewish Christians now live?

Christian, Christians?

 

[montelatici]

Palestinians were Jews at the time of the writing of the scrolls. This was before and during the beginning of the Christian religion and centuries before Islam.

No they weren't.

Thanks for that worthy contradiction.

No contradiction.
FACT

So you believe that Jewish Christians have more rights to Christian artifacts than Christian Christians.

Can you point us to where the descendants of these Jewish Christians now live?

Christian, Christians?

Well, to differentiate them from your Jewish Christians.

 

[Hossfly]

Palestinians were Jews at the time of the writing of the scrolls. This was before and during the beginning of the Christian religion and centuries before Islam.

No they weren't.

Thanks for that worthy contradiction.

No contradiction.
FACT

So you believe that Jewish Christians have more rights to Christian artifacts than Christian Christians.

Can you point us to where the descendants of these Jewish Christians now live?

Christian, Christians?

OMG, that sqiawlomg parrot does go on and on and on. His owners must have tied him to his perch that by now he is getting hemorrhoids.

Why don't we ask the Messianic Jews what they feel should be done with the scrolls since petty people can't seem to let go of this topic here? It seems to be killing them that Israel will get something. Before you know it, they will drag it up to over 1000 posts.

 

[peach174]

No they weren't.

Thanks for that worthy contradiction.

No contradiction.
FACT

So you believe that Jewish Christians have more rights to Christian artifacts than Christian Christians.

Can you point us to where the descendants of these Jewish Christians now live?

Christian, Christians?

OMG, that sqiawlomg parrot does go on and on and on. His owners must have tied him to his perch that by now he is getting hemorrhoids.

Why don't we ask the Messianic Jews what they feel should be done with the scrolls since petty people can't seem to let go of this topic here? It seems to be killing them that Israel will get something. Before you know it, they will drag it up to over 1000 posts.

I know it's so unbelievable but incredibly hilarious.

 

[Phoenall]

Yiddish is any local language fused with Hebrew and written in Hebrew alphabet.
The fact that the alphabet was passed down so accurately has a reason, significant one.

Even the FOREIGN language Jews used shows their connection to these scrolls.

You cannot change the fact that Yiddish is mostly German with smidgens of Polish and other languages.

Even if so (which it isn't), still a language so foreign to the Hebrew, used by the Jewish people, and it still shows their connection to these scrolls

No, the European Jews in the 20th century were unrelated to the Semitic Jews of the Middle East. Simply using a Hebrew alphabet is insufficient to establish a connection, whatever that means, between the two groups. Scottish Gaelic was a spoken language without any alphabet when the monks of the early centuries C.E. introduced a Latin alphabet but subsequent use of the Latin alphabet cannot demonstrate any connection between the Scots and, say, the Romanians who used the same script.

Even the link Monte attached proves you wrong- 80% at least are confirmed to be Middle Eastern.
Anyway this claim of "synthetic" Jews has been trashed time and time again in the intended posts. Here it's mere trolling and trying to catch a straws. We're discussing heritage and culture not genetics. And even if genetics were on your side (the studies show exactly the opposite), you'd still have to deal with the Jews who lived in the ME.

In addition the comparison is invalid for the simple fact that nobody else uses the Hebrew except for the Jews, unlike Latin and English.
Hebrew is a unique language, used by one people throughout millenniums. And thus shows a direct connection to a specific heritage.

It's as plain as the nose on one's face (if I might use that expression) that among the European Jews of the 20th century, so many had little if any Semitic blood. So indistinguishable were they from ordinary Europeans that, during the Third Reich, they were required to wear a yellow star when in public.

Aryan-looking blonde child from German-occupied France in the last century -- not at all Semitic

Once Israeli apologists are tempted into making a case for the purity of Jewish blood based on DNA, they have lost the argument among wiser people who identify racism at the core of Zionism.

Have you seen Shirley Temper that well known arab muslim actress. Blonde haired and blue eyed, does this mean she is not a palestinian ?

You do know how natural selection works dont you, and how quickly you get results

 

[Phoenall]

Even if so (which it isn't), still a language so foreign to the Hebrew, used by the Jewish people, and it still shows their connection to these scrolls

No, the European Jews in the 20th century were unrelated to the Semitic Jews of the Middle East. Simply using a Hebrew alphabet is insufficient to establish a connection, whatever that means, between the two groups. Scottish Gaelic was a spoken language without any alphabet when the monks of the early centuries C.E. introduced a Latin alphabet but subsequent use of the Latin alphabet cannot demonstrate any connection between the Scots and, say, the Romanians who used the same script.

Even the link Monte attached proves you wrong- 80% at least are confirmed to be Middle Eastern.
Anyway this claim of "synthetic" Jews has been trashed time and time again in the intended posts. Here it's mere trolling and trying to catch a straws. We're discussing heritage and culture not genetics. And even if genetics were on your side (the studies show exactly the opposite), you'd still have to deal with the Jews who lived in the ME.

In addition the comparison is invalid for the simple fact that nobody else uses the Hebrew except for the Jews, unlike Latin and English.
Hebrew is a unique language, used by one people throughout millenniums. And thus shows a direct connection to a specific heritage.

It's as plain as the nose on one's face (if I might use that expression) that among the European Jews of the 20th century, so many had little if any Semitic blood. So indistinguishable were they from ordinary Germans that they were required to wear a yellow star when in public.

Aryan-looking blonde child from German-occupied France in the last century -- not at all Semitic

Once Israeli apologists are tempted into making a case for the purity of Jewish blood based on DNA, they have lost the argument among wiser people who identify racism at the core of Zionism.

Yet we all know the very distinguishable anti-semitic caricatures portraying those Jews with big noses and locks on the sides. We also know that those Jewish kids were killed for merely being Jews. What was once used to single out the Jew is now used by you to make him indistinguishable.

It's a reoccurring neurosis in the anti-semitic syndrome- the Jews are Jews when they're to blame, even after they've assimilated fully, They're told "Go away aliens!".
Then when convenient, the Jews stop being Semitic...they're Europeans !

This is exactly the reasons Jews need a country and protect their heritage on their OWN.

I'm sorry, your point escapes me. I am wondering if, in your view, the entitlement of Jews to own Palestine is or is not based on race.

YES and by doing so it eliminates one of your many libels against the Jews

 

[Challenger]

I tend to agree with you that the Scrolls should stay where they originated in the modern West Bank.

Nice, seems the first time we agree.

However... hmm interesting how do the scrolls call that area?

Should we place them in Judea or West Bank, ירושלים or Al Quds?

Wherever the Palestinian government deems fit, I should imagine.

You avoided my question- what do the scrolls call the area they originated from? Do they tell the story of Palestine or of Israel and Judea?

At the time, Palestine was a province of Rome.

Could You quote from the scrolls themselves, where they call the area Palestine?

Since the scrolls describe the Jewish equivalent of Tolkein's Middle Earth, it's not likely you'd find real locations described.

That said, the modern day Palestinians have a greater link to the locations mentioned than the modern day European colonists who need them to somehow "legitimise" their existance.

 

[Challenger]

What makes the Muslim Palestinians think they have the right to own any type of historical Christian documents?
They don't.

Bugger, that means we'll have to give all those documents we found along Hadrian's wall to the Italians...

 

[montelatici]

Thanks for that worthy contradiction.

No contradiction.
FACT

So you believe that Jewish Christians have more rights to Christian artifacts than Christian Christians.

Can you point us to where the descendants of these Jewish Christians now live?

Christian, Christians?

OMG, that sqiawlomg parrot does go on and on and on. His owners must have tied him to his perch that by now he is getting hemorrhoids.

Why don't we ask the Messianic Jews what they feel should be done with the scrolls since petty people can't seem to let go of this topic here? It seems to be killing them that Israel will get something. Before you know it, they will drag it up to over 1000 posts.

I know it's so unbelievable but incredibly hilarious.

What is hilarious is your claim that Christian historical documents belong to your mythical Jewish Christians.

 

[peach174]

No contradiction.
FACT

So you believe that Jewish Christians have more rights to Christian artifacts than Christian Christians.

Can you point us to where the descendants of these Jewish Christians now live?

Christian, Christians?

OMG, that sqiawlomg parrot does go on and on and on. His owners must have tied him to his perch that by now he is getting hemorrhoids.

Why don't we ask the Messianic Jews what they feel should be done with the scrolls since petty people can't seem to let go of this topic here? It seems to be killing them that Israel will get something. Before you know it, they will drag it up to over 1000 posts.

I know it's so unbelievable but incredibly hilarious.

What is hilarious is your claim that Christian historical documents belong to your mythical Jewish Christians.

You are lacking in knowledge.

 

[montelatici]

So you believe that Jewish Christians have more rights to Christian artifacts than Christian Christians.

Can you point us to where the descendants of these Jewish Christians now live?

Christian, Christians?

OMG, that sqiawlomg parrot does go on and on and on. His owners must have tied him to his perch that by now he is getting hemorrhoids.

Why don't we ask the Messianic Jews what they feel should be done with the scrolls since petty people can't seem to let go of this topic here? It seems to be killing them that Israel will get something. Before you know it, they will drag it up to over 1000 posts.

I know it's so unbelievable but incredibly hilarious.

What is hilarious is your claim that Christian historical documents belong to your mythical Jewish Christians.

You are lacking in knowledge.

Now that's funny. Where do these Jewish Christians live these days?