Palestinians demand return of "their" heritage -- Dead Sea Scolls

[ForeverYoung436]

Yet we all know the very distinguishable anti-semitic caricatures portraying those Jews with big noses and locks on the sides. We also know that those Jewish kids were killed for merely being Jews. What was once used to single out the Jew is now used by you to make him indistinguishable.

It's a reoccurring neurosis in the anti-semitic syndrome- the Jews are Jews when they're to blame, even after they've assimilated fully, They're told "Go away aliens!".
Then when convenient, the Jews stop being Semitic...they're Europeans !

This is exactly the reasons Jews need a country and protect their heritage on their OWN.

I'm sorry, your point escapes me. I am wondering if, in your view, the entitlement of Jews to own Palestine is or is not based on race.

I'll try to make it clear for You- we're talking HERITAGE. Genetics and Race relations have their intended forums.

How does entitlement to Palestine, DNA and Race appear here if not for the usual motive?

I'm sorry but when you wrote above "Even the link Monte attached proves you wrong- 80% at least are confirmed to be Middle Eastern." I assumed the 80% had some racial significance for you. You know, a racist justification for the Jews to have an exclusively Jewish state in Palestine.

With a strong Arab opposition in the Knesset, highest ranks in the army, law, finance, education and culture.
This point serves only to de-legitimize Israel. And not in anyway related to the discussion of the scrolls.

If the ownership of the Dead Sea Scrolls belongs to Russian Jewish immigrants to Palestine on account of their racial purity as Jews then the argument is racist.

The Dead Sea Scrolls are in Hebrew, not Arabic. End of story.

 

[montelatici]

So, if Roman artifacts written in Latin are found in Israel, they would belong to Italy?

 

[RoccoR]

Hey all,

You can't argue with these people; and you can't trust them to use any kind of educated judgment.

So, if Roman artifacts written in Latin are found in Israel, they would belong to Italy?

(COMMENT)

Remember !! When you talk to an Arab Palestinian --- don't forget it is all about them. It doesn't matter what it is about, or who did what when, or even the stuff being written in Hebrew --- it is all about the Arab Palestinian and treasure for the Arab Palestinian.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Eloy]

I'm sorry, your point escapes me. I am wondering if, in your view, the entitlement of Jews to own Palestine is or is not based on race.

I'll try to make it clear for You- we're talking HERITAGE. Genetics and Race relations have their intended forums.

How does entitlement to Palestine, DNA and Race appear here if not for the usual motive?

I'm sorry but when you wrote above "Even the link Monte attached proves you wrong- 80% at least are confirmed to be Middle Eastern." I assumed the 80% had some racial significance for you. You know, a racist justification for the Jews to have an exclusively Jewish state in Palestine.

With a strong Arab opposition in the Knesset, highest ranks in the army, law, finance, education and culture.
This point serves only to de-legitimize Israel. And not in anyway related to the discussion of the scrolls.

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If the ownership of the Dead Sea Scrolls belongs to Russian Jewish immigrants to Palestine on account of their racial purity as Jews then the argument is racist.

Again deflecting, this was not claimed by anyone. It's You who's brought up "racial purity"- why would you bring eugenics into discussion about Jewish scrolls?

I did not introduce the notion that Europeans are Semites if they happen to be Jews.

Jewish Wehrmacht Private Werner Goldberg -- the image of an Aryan

 

[Eloy]

I'm sorry, your point escapes me. I am wondering if, in your view, the entitlement of Jews to own Palestine is or is not based on race.

I'll try to make it clear for You- we're talking HERITAGE. Genetics and Race relations have their intended forums.

How does entitlement to Palestine, DNA and Race appear here if not for the usual motive?

I'm sorry but when you wrote above "Even the link Monte attached proves you wrong- 80% at least are confirmed to be Middle Eastern." I assumed the 80% had some racial significance for you. You know, a racist justification for the Jews to have an exclusively Jewish state in Palestine.

With a strong Arab opposition in the Knesset, highest ranks in the army, law, finance, education and culture.
This point serves only to de-legitimize Israel. And not in anyway related to the discussion of the scrolls.

If the ownership of the Dead Sea Scrolls belongs to Russian Jewish immigrants to Palestine on account of their racial purity as Jews then the argument is racist.

The Dead Sea Scrolls are in Hebrew, not Arabic. End of story.

Not so; some of the scrolls are written in Aramaic and others in Greek.

 

[montelatici]

Hey all,

You can't argue with these people; and you can't trust them to use any kind of educated judgment.

So, if Roman artifacts written in Latin are found in Israel, they would belong to Italy?

(COMMENT)

Remember !! When you talk to an Arab Palestinian --- don't forget it is all about them. It doesn't matter what it is about, or who did what when, or even the stuff being written in Hebrew --- it is all about the Arab Palestinian and treasure for the Arab Palestinian.

Most Respectfully,
R

No, you haven't an answer and you attack. My judgement is about 3 academic degrees superior to your's.

 

[Shusha]

I am wondering if, in your view, the entitlement of Jews to own Palestine is or is not based on race.

Entitlement to sovereignty on land upon which one's people and ancestors developed into a distinct and recognizable culture is based on an intrinsic human value, commonly labelled "self-determination". It is based on both a self-identified association with that culture and an acceptance into the culture by that community.

It is NOT a product of physical features, whether "blonde-haired and blue-eyed" or having the "correct" genetic material.

Nor does it depend on physical possession of the land (since the land can be invaded and conquered).

 

[Shusha]

If the ownership of the Dead Sea Scrolls belongs to Russian Jewish immigrants to Palestine on account of their racial purity as Jews then the argument is racist.

The ownership of the Scrolls belongs to those who adhere to the culture of those who wrote the scrolls and practiced their teachings.

The only ones bringing up racial purity are the anti-Jew posters who argue against the existence of the culture of the Jewish people. Its a vile argument.

 

[rylah]

I'll try to make it clear for You- we're talking HERITAGE. Genetics and Race relations have their intended forums.

How does entitlement to Palestine, DNA and Race appear here if not for the usual motive?

I'm sorry but when you wrote above "Even the link Monte attached proves you wrong- 80% at least are confirmed to be Middle Eastern." I assumed the 80% had some racial significance for you. You know, a racist justification for the Jews to have an exclusively Jewish state in Palestine.

With a strong Arab opposition in the Knesset, highest ranks in the army, law, finance, education and culture.
This point serves only to de-legitimize Israel. And not in anyway related to the discussion of the scrolls.

\
If the ownership of the Dead Sea Scrolls belongs to Russian Jewish immigrants to Palestine on account of their racial purity as Jews then the argument is racist.

Again deflecting, this was not claimed by anyone. It's You who's brought up "racial purity"- why would you bring eugenics into discussion about Jewish scrolls?

I did not introduce the notion that Europeans are Semites if they happen to be Jews.

Jewish Wehrmacht Private Werner Goldberg -- the image of an Aryan

First you claimed Hebrew Torah scrolls don't belong to Jews but rather Vatican. After this was thrashed, now you claim Jews are Aryan and fixated on 'racial purity'...

Do you want to be taken seriously?

 

[rylah]

So, if Roman artifacts written in Latin are found in Israel, they would belong to Italy?

Didn't you know that everything in Israel is Arab Muslim?
Jerusalem is Al-Quds, Hebron is Al-Halil and the Hebrew Torah is a rewritten Koran...

Of course artefacts written in Latin could only belong to their true owners- Arab Muslims, who can't read a word of it.

 

[Eloy]

I'm sorry but when you wrote above "Even the link Monte attached proves you wrong- 80% at least are confirmed to be Middle Eastern." I assumed the 80% had some racial significance for you. You know, a racist justification for the Jews to have an exclusively Jewish state in Palestine.

With a strong Arab opposition in the Knesset, highest ranks in the army, law, finance, education and culture.
This point serves only to de-legitimize Israel. And not in anyway related to the discussion of the scrolls.

\
If the ownership of the Dead Sea Scrolls belongs to Russian Jewish immigrants to Palestine on account of their racial purity as Jews then the argument is racist.

Again deflecting, this was not claimed by anyone. It's You who's brought up "racial purity"- why would you bring eugenics into discussion about Jewish scrolls?

I did not introduce the notion that Europeans are Semites if they happen to be Jews.

Jewish Wehrmacht Private Werner Goldberg -- the image of an Aryan

First you claimed Hebrew Torah scrolls don't belong to Jews but rather Vatican. After this was thrashed, now you claim Jews are Aryan and fixated on 'racial purity'...

Do you want to be taken seriously?

I did not claim that the scrolls belong to the Vatican but that the Vatican has a claim on them since the extinct community which created them were the progenitors of the Christian people.

 

[rylah]

With a strong Arab opposition in the Knesset, highest ranks in the army, law, finance, education and culture.
This point serves only to de-legitimize Israel. And not in anyway related to the discussion of the scrolls.

\
If the ownership of the Dead Sea Scrolls belongs to Russian Jewish immigrants to Palestine on account of their racial purity as Jews then the argument is racist.

Again deflecting, this was not claimed by anyone. It's You who's brought up "racial purity"- why would you bring eugenics into discussion about Jewish scrolls?

I did not introduce the notion that Europeans are Semites if they happen to be Jews.

Jewish Wehrmacht Private Werner Goldberg -- the image of an Aryan

First you claimed Hebrew Torah scrolls don't belong to Jews but rather Vatican. After this was thrashed, now you claim Jews are Aryan and fixated on 'racial purity'...

Do you want to be taken seriously?

I did not claim that the scrolls belong to the Vatican but that the Vatican has a claim on them since the extinct community which created them were the progenitors of the Christian people.

You can't claim that with certainty, it's not the scientific consensus anymore. If suggested theories are to be taken such seriously then I can claim in the same way - that the scrolls are of the Hasmonean origin.

For all we know for sure, there were found Mikva's at the site, which are Jewish ceremonial tools. Also the majority of the scrolls were written in Hebrew and are from the Torah.
.

 

[Eloy]

\
If the ownership of the Dead Sea Scrolls belongs to Russian Jewish immigrants to Palestine on account of their racial purity as Jews then the argument is racist.

Again deflecting, this was not claimed by anyone. It's You who's brought up "racial purity"- why would you bring eugenics into discussion about Jewish scrolls?

I did not introduce the notion that Europeans are Semites if they happen to be Jews.

Jewish Wehrmacht Private Werner Goldberg -- the image of an Aryan

First you claimed Hebrew Torah scrolls don't belong to Jews but rather Vatican. After this was thrashed, now you claim Jews are Aryan and fixated on 'racial purity'...

Do you want to be taken seriously?

I did not claim that the scrolls belong to the Vatican but that the Vatican has a claim on them since the extinct community which created them were the progenitors of the Christian people.

You can't claim that with certainty, it's not the scientific consensus anymore. If suggested theories are to be taken such seriously then I can claim in the same way - that the scrolls are of the Hasmonean origin.

For all we know for sure, there were found Mikva's at the site, which are Jewish ceremonial tools. Also the majority of the scrolls were written in Hebrew and are from the Torah.
.

Indeed we can say with certainty that Christianity began among Jews in Palestine whose first adherents were Jews. This makes the Vatican museum a fitting place for the Dead Sea Scrolls.

 

[rylah]

Why don't You just move ALL Christian artifacts from Israel to Vatican?

Looks like You've just done a check mate to yourself.
I mean, You say it all began among Jews, who lived in 'Palestine' (which was still called Judea at the time). So these scrolls were written by Jews, as also shown by the ceremonial baths on site.
It's enough of reasons to keep it where it originated, among people who speak and cherish the Hebrew language, the places and the people that these scrolls write about.


And indeed we can say with certainty, that Rome and now Vatican have ENOUGH of original Jewish artifacts plundered from the 2nd Temple period.

 

[Eloy]

Why don't You just move ALL Christian artifacts from Israel to Vatican?

Looks like You've just done a check mate to yourself.
I mean, You say it all began among Jews, who lived in 'Palestine' (which was still called Judea at the time). So these scrolls were written by Jews, as also shown by the ceremonial baths on site.
It's enough of reasons to keep it where it originated, among people who speak and cherish the Hebrew language, the places and the people that these scrolls write about.


And indeed we can say with certainty, that Rome and now Vatican have ENOUGH of original Jewish artifacts plundered from the 2nd Temple period.

I tend to agree with you that the Scrolls should stay where they originated in the modern West Bank.

 

[rylah]

Why don't You just move ALL Christian artifacts from Israel to Vatican?

Looks like You've just done a check mate to yourself.
I mean, You say it all began among Jews, who lived in 'Palestine' (which was still called Judea at the time). So these scrolls were written by Jews, as also shown by the ceremonial baths on site.
It's enough of reasons to keep it where it originated, among people who speak and cherish the Hebrew language, the places and the people that these scrolls write about.


And indeed we can say with certainty, that Rome and now Vatican have ENOUGH of original Jewish artifacts plundered from the 2nd Temple period.

I tend to agree with you that the Scrolls should stay where they originated in the modern West Bank.

Nice, seems the first time we agree.

However... hmm interesting how do the scrolls call that area?

Should we place them in Judea or West Bank, ירושלים or Al Quds?

 

[Eloy]

Why don't You just move ALL Christian artifacts from Israel to Vatican?

Looks like You've just done a check mate to yourself.
I mean, You say it all began among Jews, who lived in 'Palestine' (which was still called Judea at the time). So these scrolls were written by Jews, as also shown by the ceremonial baths on site.
It's enough of reasons to keep it where it originated, among people who speak and cherish the Hebrew language, the places and the people that these scrolls write about.


And indeed we can say with certainty, that Rome and now Vatican have ENOUGH of original Jewish artifacts plundered from the 2nd Temple period.

I tend to agree with you that the Scrolls should stay where they originated in the modern West Bank.

Nice, seems the first time we agree.

However... hmm interesting how do the scrolls call that area?

Should we place them in Judea or West Bank, ירושלים or Al Quds?

Wherever the Palestinian government deems fit, I should imagine.

 

[montelatici]

Why don't You just move ALL Christian artifacts from Israel to Vatican?

Looks like You've just done a check mate to yourself.
I mean, You say it all began among Jews, who lived in 'Palestine' (which was still called Judea at the time). So these scrolls were written by Jews, as also shown by the ceremonial baths on site.
It's enough of reasons to keep it where it originated, among people who speak and cherish the Hebrew language, the places and the people that these scrolls write about.


And indeed we can say with certainty, that Rome and now Vatican have ENOUGH of original Jewish artifacts plundered from the 2nd Temple period.

I tend to agree with you that the Scrolls should stay where they originated in the modern West Bank.

Nice, seems the first time we agree.

However... hmm interesting how do the scrolls call that area?

Should we place them in Judea or West Bank, ירושלים or Al Quds?

Depends on when they were written.

 

[Hollie]

Why don't You just move ALL Christian artifacts from Israel to Vatican?

Looks like You've just done a check mate to yourself.
I mean, You say it all began among Jews, who lived in 'Palestine' (which was still called Judea at the time). So these scrolls were written by Jews, as also shown by the ceremonial baths on site.
It's enough of reasons to keep it where it originated, among people who speak and cherish the Hebrew language, the places and the people that these scrolls write about.


And indeed we can say with certainty, that Rome and now Vatican have ENOUGH of original Jewish artifacts plundered from the 2nd Temple period.

I tend to agree with you that the Scrolls should stay where they originated in the modern West Bank.

Nice, seems the first time we agree.

However... hmm interesting how do the scrolls call that area?

Should we place them in Judea or West Bank, ירושלים or Al Quds?

Wherever the Palestinian government deems fit, I should imagine.

Which of the feckless Pal'istanian governments should make that determination. If there is a profit margin connected to possession of artifacts, both Hamas and Abbas will want to control that profit.

 

[rylah]

Why don't You just move ALL Christian artifacts from Israel to Vatican?

Looks like You've just done a check mate to yourself.
I mean, You say it all began among Jews, who lived in 'Palestine' (which was still called Judea at the time). So these scrolls were written by Jews, as also shown by the ceremonial baths on site.
It's enough of reasons to keep it where it originated, among people who speak and cherish the Hebrew language, the places and the people that these scrolls write about.


And indeed we can say with certainty, that Rome and now Vatican have ENOUGH of original Jewish artifacts plundered from the 2nd Temple period.

I tend to agree with you that the Scrolls should stay where they originated in the modern West Bank.

Nice, seems the first time we agree.

However... hmm interesting how do the scrolls call that area?

Should we place them in Judea or West Bank, ירושלים or Al Quds?

Wherever the Palestinian government deems fit, I should imagine.

You avoided my question- what do the scrolls call the area they originated from? Do they tell the story of Palestine or of Israel and Judea?