Palestinians demand return of "their" heritage -- Dead Sea Scolls

[rylah]

Why don't You just move ALL Christian artifacts from Israel to Vatican?

Looks like You've just done a check mate to yourself.
I mean, You say it all began among Jews, who lived in 'Palestine' (which was still called Judea at the time). So these scrolls were written by Jews, as also shown by the ceremonial baths on site.
It's enough of reasons to keep it where it originated, among people who speak and cherish the Hebrew language, the places and the people that these scrolls write about.


And indeed we can say with certainty, that Rome and now Vatican have ENOUGH of original Jewish artifacts plundered from the 2nd Temple period.

I tend to agree with you that the Scrolls should stay where they originated in the modern West Bank.

Nice, seems the first time we agree.

However... hmm interesting how do the scrolls call that area?

Should we place them in Judea or West Bank, ירושלים or Al Quds?

Depends on when they were written.

How does that change anything?
The Hebrew scrolls still didn't mention any Al Quds or Palestinians,

 

[Eloy]

Why don't You just move ALL Christian artifacts from Israel to Vatican?

Looks like You've just done a check mate to yourself.
I mean, You say it all began among Jews, who lived in 'Palestine' (which was still called Judea at the time). So these scrolls were written by Jews, as also shown by the ceremonial baths on site.
It's enough of reasons to keep it where it originated, among people who speak and cherish the Hebrew language, the places and the people that these scrolls write about.


And indeed we can say with certainty, that Rome and now Vatican have ENOUGH of original Jewish artifacts plundered from the 2nd Temple period.

I tend to agree with you that the Scrolls should stay where they originated in the modern West Bank.

Nice, seems the first time we agree.

However... hmm interesting how do the scrolls call that area?

Should we place them in Judea or West Bank, ירושלים or Al Quds?

Wherever the Palestinian government deems fit, I should imagine.

You avoided my question- what do the scrolls call the area they originated from? Do they tell the story of Palestine or of Israel and Judea?

At the time, Palestine was a province of Rome.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

Why don't You just move ALL Christian artifacts from Israel to Vatican?

Looks like You've just done a check mate to yourself.
I mean, You say it all began among Jews, who lived in 'Palestine' (which was still called Judea at the time). So these scrolls were written by Jews, as also shown by the ceremonial baths on site.
It's enough of reasons to keep it where it originated, among people who speak and cherish the Hebrew language, the places and the people that these scrolls write about.


And indeed we can say with certainty, that Rome and now Vatican have ENOUGH of original Jewish artifacts plundered from the 2nd Temple period.

I tend to agree with you that the Scrolls should stay where they originated in the modern West Bank.

Nice, seems the first time we agree.

However... hmm interesting how do the scrolls call that area?

Should we place them in Judea or West Bank, ירושלים or Al Quds?

Wherever the Palestinian government deems fit, I should imagine.

You avoided my question- what do the scrolls call the area they originated from? Do they tell the story of Palestine or of Israel and Judea?

At the time, Palestine was a province of Rome.

rylah: The scrolls themselves call the area Judea and/or Israel.

Eloy: In the first century of the Common Era, Judea was a province of Rome. Hadrian didn't rename the area Palestine until at least 100 years later.

 

[Eloy]

I tend to agree with you that the Scrolls should stay where they originated in the modern West Bank.

Nice, seems the first time we agree.

However... hmm interesting how do the scrolls call that area?

Should we place them in Judea or West Bank, ירושלים or Al Quds?

Wherever the Palestinian government deems fit, I should imagine.

You avoided my question- what do the scrolls call the area they originated from? Do they tell the story of Palestine or of Israel and Judea?

At the time, Palestine was a province of Rome.

rylah: The scrolls themselves call the area Judea and/or Israel.

Eloy: In the first century of the Common Era, Judea was a province of Rome. Hadrian didn't rename the area Palestine until at least 100 years later.

Not quite, ForeverYoung; the Roman Province of Judea was founded in 6 CE but the scrolls were written over a long period estimated from as early as the last three centuries BCE to the first century CE. So the question as to what the area was called changes, depending on which scroll is meant. I do not know what any of the scrolls called the area.

 

[rylah]

Why don't You just move ALL Christian artifacts from Israel to Vatican?

Looks like You've just done a check mate to yourself.
I mean, You say it all began among Jews, who lived in 'Palestine' (which was still called Judea at the time). So these scrolls were written by Jews, as also shown by the ceremonial baths on site.
It's enough of reasons to keep it where it originated, among people who speak and cherish the Hebrew language, the places and the people that these scrolls write about.


And indeed we can say with certainty, that Rome and now Vatican have ENOUGH of original Jewish artifacts plundered from the 2nd Temple period.

I tend to agree with you that the Scrolls should stay where they originated in the modern West Bank.

Nice, seems the first time we agree.

However... hmm interesting how do the scrolls call that area?

Should we place them in Judea or West Bank, ירושלים or Al Quds?

Wherever the Palestinian government deems fit, I should imagine.

You avoided my question- what do the scrolls call the area they originated from? Do they tell the story of Palestine or of Israel and Judea?

At the time, Palestine was a province of Rome.

Could You quote from the scrolls themselves, where they call the area Palestine?

 

[Eloy]

I tend to agree with you that the Scrolls should stay where they originated in the modern West Bank.

Nice, seems the first time we agree.

However... hmm interesting how do the scrolls call that area?

Should we place them in Judea or West Bank, ירושלים or Al Quds?

Wherever the Palestinian government deems fit, I should imagine.

You avoided my question- what do the scrolls call the area they originated from? Do they tell the story of Palestine or of Israel and Judea?

At the time, Palestine was a province of Rome.

Could You quote from the scrolls themselves, where they call the area Palestine?

I'm sorry; I do not have a copy of the Scrolls.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

Nice, seems the first time we agree.

However... hmm interesting how do the scrolls call that area?

Should we place them in Judea or West Bank, ירושלים or Al Quds?

Wherever the Palestinian government deems fit, I should imagine.

You avoided my question- what do the scrolls call the area they originated from? Do they tell the story of Palestine or of Israel and Judea?

At the time, Palestine was a province of Rome.

Could You quote from the scrolls themselves, where they call the area Palestine?

I'm sorry; I do not have a copy of the Scrolls.

I just looked it up on Wikipedia. 40% of the Scrolls are fragments of the Tanach (Hebrew Bible); 30% of them are from the Apocrypha; and 30% are Essene writings of a mystical nature. Most of the Scrolls are in Hebrew, with a few in Aramaic and Greek. (None in Arabic.) 23 of the 24 books of the Hebrew Bible are represented, with Esther being the sole exception. Since most of the Scrolls are from the Tanach and Apocrypha, I'm fairly certain that they refer to the area in question as Israel or Judah/Judea, and not as Palestine.

 

[Eloy]

Wherever the Palestinian government deems fit, I should imagine.

You avoided my question- what do the scrolls call the area they originated from? Do they tell the story of Palestine or of Israel and Judea?

At the time, Palestine was a province of Rome.

Could You quote from the scrolls themselves, where they call the area Palestine?

I'm sorry; I do not have a copy of the Scrolls.

I just looked it up on Wikipedia. 40% of the Scrolls are fragments of the Tanach (Hebrew Bible); 30% of them are from the Apocrypha; and 30% are Essene writings of a mystical nature. Most of the Scrolls are in Hebrew, with a few in Aramaic and Greek. (None in Arabic.) 23 of the 24 books of the Hebrew Bible are represented, with Esther being the sole exception. Since most of the Scrolls are from the Tanach and Apocrypha, I'm fairly certain that they refer to the area in question as Israel or Judah/Judea, and not as Palestine.

Judea and Sumeria later became known as Palestine. This was centuries before Islam was founded. Most Palestinians converted to Islam and began to use Arabic quite some time later.

 

[rylah]

Nice, seems the first time we agree.

However... hmm interesting how do the scrolls call that area?

Should we place them in Judea or West Bank, ירושלים or Al Quds?

Wherever the Palestinian government deems fit, I should imagine.

You avoided my question- what do the scrolls call the area they originated from? Do they tell the story of Palestine or of Israel and Judea?

At the time, Palestine was a province of Rome.

Could You quote from the scrolls themselves, where they call the area Palestine?

I'm sorry; I do not have a copy of the Scrolls.

Of course You have, it's as far away as a click on a mouse.
Here: http://dss.collections.imj.org.il/isaiah
they even have English translation of each verse.

The 1st verse says:
Chapter 1 : Verse 1

"The vision of Isaiah son of Amoz, which he saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem in the days of Uzziah, Jotham, Ahaz, and Yehizqiyah, kings of Judah."

Translation: Professor Peter Flint (Western Trinity University, Canada) and Professor Eugene Ulrich (University of Notre Dame).

Now that You have resources available, if You find 'Al Quds' or 'Palestine' in there let me know.

 

[Eloy]

Wherever the Palestinian government deems fit, I should imagine.

You avoided my question- what do the scrolls call the area they originated from? Do they tell the story of Palestine or of Israel and Judea?

At the time, Palestine was a province of Rome.

Could You quote from the scrolls themselves, where they call the area Palestine?

I'm sorry; I do not have a copy of the Scrolls.

Of course You have, it's as far away as a click on a mouse.
Here: http://dss.collections.imj.org.il/isaiah
they even have English translation of each verse.

The 1st verse says:
Chapter 1 : Verse 1

"The vision of Isaiah son of Amoz, which he saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem in the days of Uzziah, Jotham, Ahaz, and Yehizqiyah, kings of Judah."

Translation: Professor Peter Flint (Western Trinity University, Canada) and Professor Eugene Ulrich (University of Notre Dame).

Now that You have resources available, if You find 'Al Quds' or 'Palestine' in there let me know.

Yes, Palestine was called Judea during the writing of some of the scrolls. I said as much. At the same time, I do not want to give time to studying Jewish scriptures, if you don't mind. You see, i think it is all hocus pocus.

 

[peach174]

What makes the Muslim Palestinians think they have the right to own any type of historical Christian documents?
They don't.

 

[montelatici]

What makes the Muslim Palestinians think they have the right to own any type of historical Christian documents?
They don't.

The Christian Palestinians want the Christian historical documents. They have every right.

 

[peach174]

What makes the Muslim Palestinians think they have the right to own any type of historical Christian documents?
They don't.

The Christian Palestinians want the Christian historical documents. They have every right.

No they don't have that right.
It's not theirs and never has been nor will it ever be.

 

[montelatici]

What makes the Muslim Palestinians think they have the right to own any type of historical Christian documents?
They don't.

The Christian Palestinians want the Christian historical documents. They have every right.

No they don't have that right.
It's not theirs and never has been nor will it ever be.

The Christians don't have the right to Christian historical documents?

 

[peach174]

What makes the Muslim Palestinians think they have the right to own any type of historical Christian documents?
They don't.

The Christian Palestinians want the Christian historical documents. They have every right.

No they don't have that right.
It's not theirs and never has been nor will it ever be.

The Christians don't have the right to Christian historical documents?

Not the Palenstians, who never became a State, until recently.
It has and always will belong to the Jewish Christians.

 

[montelatici]

What makes the Muslim Palestinians think they have the right to own any type of historical Christian documents?
They don't.

The Christian Palestinians want the Christian historical documents. They have every right.

No they don't have that right.
It's not theirs and never has been nor will it ever be.

The Christians don't have the right to Christian historical documents?

Not the Palenstians, who never became a State, until recently.
It has and always will belong to the Jewish Christians.

The Jewish Christians? Who are they? Is that a cult that I am not aware of?

 

[montelatici]

You have to hand it to the Jews, they choose the "creme de la creme" in terms of intelligence among their American supporters.

 

[peach174]

You have to hand it to the Jews, they choose the "creme de la creme" in terms of intelligence among their American supporters.

Seems you need a bit more education about the people who wrote the Dead Sea scrolls.
History and archology confirm who the Jewish Christian sect was.

 

[montelatici]

The Jewish Christians wrote the Dead Sea Scrolls? Are you sure? You say "History and archology" confirm "who the Christian Jewish sect was". Is archology the study of arches? If so, what would an archologist know about these Jewish Christians?

 

[Eloy]

What makes the Muslim Palestinians think they have the right to own any type of historical Christian documents?
They don't.

Palestinians were Jews at the time of the writing of the scrolls. This was before and during the beginning of the Christian religion and centuries before Islam.