Palestinians demand return of "their" heritage -- Dead Sea Scolls

[Phoenall]

Yes and let's not forget that they claim that somehow 80% of the Ashkenazi males remained Middle Eastern...all the women Italian, but the males remained unchanged...

Your notion that the Ashkenazim were predominantly Semitic on the male side is fanciful.

No it is truthful and came from the link monte provided, another link he wont be using for a while

 

[rylah]

One thing in perspective, Yiddish means 'of Yid', wherever. You're Yid I'm Yid...were're Judea...
So Yiddish means, the old practice of going to a lonely place and speaking to the Almighty in your simple daily 'mother language'. Be it Hebrew or any other language Your family speaks. Yiddish is of Yid

No-one would confuse Yiddish for Hebrew no matter what alphabet is used, Yiddish was the language of the European Jews before they were destroyed in the Final Solution.

Yiddish is any local language fused with Hebrew and written in Hebrew alphabet.
The fact that the alphabet was passed down so accurately has a reason, significant one.

Even the FOREIGN language Jews used shows their connection to these scrolls.

You cannot change the fact that Yiddish is mostly German with smidgens of Polish and other languages.

Even if so (which it isn't), still a language so foreign to the Hebrew, used by the Jewish people, and it still shows their connection to these scrolls

No, the European Jews in the 20th century were unrelated to the Semitic Jews of the Middle East. Simply using a Hebrew alphabet is insufficient to establish a connection, whatever that means, between the two groups. Scottish Gaelic was a spoken language without any alphabet when the monks of the early centuries C.E. introduced a Latin alphabet but subsequent use of the Latin alphabet cannot demonstrate any connection between the Scots and, say, the Romanians who used the same script.

Even the link Monte attached proves you wrong- 80% at least are confirmed to be Middle Eastern.
Anyway this claim of "synthetic" Jews has been trashed time and time again in the intended posts. Here it's mere trolling and trying to catch a straws. We're discussing heritage and culture not genetics. And even if genetics were on your side (the studies show exactly the opposite), you'd still have to deal with the Jews who lived in the ME.

In addition the comparison is invalid for the simple fact that nobody else uses the Hebrew except for the Jews, unlike Latin and English.
Hebrew is a unique language, used by one people throughout millenniums. And thus shows a direct connection to a specific heritage.

 

[rylah]

Eloy and Monte, to sum up your argument, you claim that the Jews/Israelis don't have any right or connection to hold the Dead Sea scrolls.
Why?

Because a man or a woman who decides to go through conversion isn't a "real" Jew.

Did I get your idea?

 

[Eloy]

No-one would confuse Yiddish for Hebrew no matter what alphabet is used, Yiddish was the language of the European Jews before they were destroyed in the Final Solution.

Yiddish is any local language fused with Hebrew and written in Hebrew alphabet.
The fact that the alphabet was passed down so accurately has a reason, significant one.

Even the FOREIGN language Jews used shows their connection to these scrolls.

You cannot change the fact that Yiddish is mostly German with smidgens of Polish and other languages.

Even if so (which it isn't), still a language so foreign to the Hebrew, used by the Jewish people, and it still shows their connection to these scrolls

No, the European Jews in the 20th century were unrelated to the Semitic Jews of the Middle East. Simply using a Hebrew alphabet is insufficient to establish a connection, whatever that means, between the two groups. Scottish Gaelic was a spoken language without any alphabet when the monks of the early centuries C.E. introduced a Latin alphabet but subsequent use of the Latin alphabet cannot demonstrate any connection between the Scots and, say, the Romanians who used the same script.

Even the link Monte attached proves you wrong- 80% at least are confirmed to be Middle Eastern.
Anyway this claim of "synthetic" Jews has been trashed time and time again in the intended posts. Here it's mere trolling and trying to catch a straws. We're discussing heritage and culture not genetics. And even if genetics were on your side (the studies show exactly the opposite), you'd still have to deal with the Jews who lived in the ME.

In addition the comparison is invalid for the simple fact that nobody else uses the Hebrew except for the Jews, unlike Latin and English.
Hebrew is a unique language, used by one people throughout millenniums. And thus shows a direct connection to a specific heritage.

It's as plain as the nose on one's face (if I might use that expression) that among the European Jews of the 20th century, so many had little if any Semitic blood. So indistinguishable were they from ordinary Europeans that, during the Third Reich, they were required to wear a yellow star when in public.

Aryan-looking blonde child from German-occupied France in the last century -- not at all Semitic

Once Israeli apologists are tempted into making a case for the purity of Jewish blood based on DNA, they have lost the argument among wiser people who identify racism at the core of Zionism.

 

[Hollie]

Yiddish is any local language fused with Hebrew and written in Hebrew alphabet.
The fact that the alphabet was passed down so accurately has a reason, significant one.

Even the FOREIGN language Jews used shows their connection to these scrolls.

You cannot change the fact that Yiddish is mostly German with smidgens of Polish and other languages.

Even if so (which it isn't), still a language so foreign to the Hebrew, used by the Jewish people, and it still shows their connection to these scrolls

No, the European Jews in the 20th century were unrelated to the Semitic Jews of the Middle East. Simply using a Hebrew alphabet is insufficient to establish a connection, whatever that means, between the two groups. Scottish Gaelic was a spoken language without any alphabet when the monks of the early centuries C.E. introduced a Latin alphabet but subsequent use of the Latin alphabet cannot demonstrate any connection between the Scots and, say, the Romanians who used the same script.

Even the link Monte attached proves you wrong- 80% at least are confirmed to be Middle Eastern.
Anyway this claim of "synthetic" Jews has been trashed time and time again in the intended posts. Here it's mere trolling and trying to catch a straws. We're discussing heritage and culture not genetics. And even if genetics were on your side (the studies show exactly the opposite), you'd still have to deal with the Jews who lived in the ME.

In addition the comparison is invalid for the simple fact that nobody else uses the Hebrew except for the Jews, unlike Latin and English.
Hebrew is a unique language, used by one people throughout millenniums. And thus shows a direct connection to a specific heritage.

It's as plain as the nose on one's face (if I might use that expression) that among the European Jews of the 20th century, so many had little if any Semitic blood. So indistinguishable were they from ordinary Europeans that, during the Third Reich, they were required to wear a yellow star when in public.

Aryan-looking blonde child from German-occupied France in the last century -- not at all Semitic

Once Israeli apologists are tempted into making a case for the purity of Jewish blood based on DNA, they have lost the argument among wiser people who identify racism at the core of Zionism.

Speaking of rascism™, you cut and pasted a photo of unknown origin or authenticity with the specific phrase "Aryan-looking". You do realize that Polish, Czech, northern Italians, etc., can be fair-skinned and blonde-haired, right? Wiser people can read your nonsense and identity the ignorance as simple-minded Jew hatreds.

 

[Eloy]

Eloy and Monte, to sum up your argument, you claim that the Jews/Israelis don't have any right or connection to hold the Dead Sea scrolls.
Why?

Because a man or a woman who decides to go through conversion isn't a "real" Jew.

Did I get your idea?

It is not my idea that converts to Judaism are not Jews.

Rather, I am not a racist and I question a so-called connection between European Jews and Palestine based on race and the ownership of Palestine determined by race.

 

[rylah]

Yiddish is any local language fused with Hebrew and written in Hebrew alphabet.
The fact that the alphabet was passed down so accurately has a reason, significant one.

Even the FOREIGN language Jews used shows their connection to these scrolls.

You cannot change the fact that Yiddish is mostly German with smidgens of Polish and other languages.

Even if so (which it isn't), still a language so foreign to the Hebrew, used by the Jewish people, and it still shows their connection to these scrolls

No, the European Jews in the 20th century were unrelated to the Semitic Jews of the Middle East. Simply using a Hebrew alphabet is insufficient to establish a connection, whatever that means, between the two groups. Scottish Gaelic was a spoken language without any alphabet when the monks of the early centuries C.E. introduced a Latin alphabet but subsequent use of the Latin alphabet cannot demonstrate any connection between the Scots and, say, the Romanians who used the same script.

Even the link Monte attached proves you wrong- 80% at least are confirmed to be Middle Eastern.
Anyway this claim of "synthetic" Jews has been trashed time and time again in the intended posts. Here it's mere trolling and trying to catch a straws. We're discussing heritage and culture not genetics. And even if genetics were on your side (the studies show exactly the opposite), you'd still have to deal with the Jews who lived in the ME.

In addition the comparison is invalid for the simple fact that nobody else uses the Hebrew except for the Jews, unlike Latin and English.
Hebrew is a unique language, used by one people throughout millenniums. And thus shows a direct connection to a specific heritage.

It's as plain as the nose on one's face (if I might use that expression) that among the European Jews of the 20th century, so many had little if any Semitic blood. So indistinguishable were they from ordinary Germans that they were required to wear a yellow star when in public.

Aryan-looking blonde child from German-occupied France in the last century -- not at all Semitic

Once Israeli apologists are tempted into making a case for the purity of Jewish blood based on DNA, they have lost the argument among wiser people who identify racism at the core of Zionism.

Yet we all know the very distinguishable anti-semitic caricatures portraying those Jews with big noses and locks on the sides. We also know that those Jewish kids were killed for merely being Jews. What was once used to single out the Jew is now used by you to make him indistinguishable.

It's a reoccurring neurosis in the anti-semitic syndrome- the Jews are Jews when they're to blame, even after they've assimilated fully, They're told "Go away aliens!".
Then when convenient, the Jews stop being Semitic...they're Europeans !

This is exactly the reasons Jews need a country and protect their heritage on their OWN.

 

[Eloy]

You cannot change the fact that Yiddish is mostly German with smidgens of Polish and other languages.

Even if so (which it isn't), still a language so foreign to the Hebrew, used by the Jewish people, and it still shows their connection to these scrolls

No, the European Jews in the 20th century were unrelated to the Semitic Jews of the Middle East. Simply using a Hebrew alphabet is insufficient to establish a connection, whatever that means, between the two groups. Scottish Gaelic was a spoken language without any alphabet when the monks of the early centuries C.E. introduced a Latin alphabet but subsequent use of the Latin alphabet cannot demonstrate any connection between the Scots and, say, the Romanians who used the same script.

Even the link Monte attached proves you wrong- 80% at least are confirmed to be Middle Eastern.
Anyway this claim of "synthetic" Jews has been trashed time and time again in the intended posts. Here it's mere trolling and trying to catch a straws. We're discussing heritage and culture not genetics. And even if genetics were on your side (the studies show exactly the opposite), you'd still have to deal with the Jews who lived in the ME.

In addition the comparison is invalid for the simple fact that nobody else uses the Hebrew except for the Jews, unlike Latin and English.
Hebrew is a unique language, used by one people throughout millenniums. And thus shows a direct connection to a specific heritage.

It's as plain as the nose on one's face (if I might use that expression) that among the European Jews of the 20th century, so many had little if any Semitic blood. So indistinguishable were they from ordinary Germans that they were required to wear a yellow star when in public.

Aryan-looking blonde child from German-occupied France in the last century -- not at all Semitic

Once Israeli apologists are tempted into making a case for the purity of Jewish blood based on DNA, they have lost the argument among wiser people who identify racism at the core of Zionism.

Yet we all know the very distinguishable anti-semitic caricatures portraying those Jews with big noses and locks on the sides. We also know that those Jewish kids were killed for merely being Jews. What was once used to single out the Jew is now used by you to make him indistinguishable.

It's a reoccurring neurosis in the anti-semitic syndrome- the Jews are Jews when they're to blame, even after they've assimilated fully, They're told "Go away aliens!".
Then when convenient, the Jews stop being Semitic...they're Europeans !

This is exactly the reasons Jews need a country and protect their heritage on their OWN.

I'm sorry, your point escapes me. I am wondering if, in your view, the entitlement of Jews to own Palestine is or is not based on race.

 

[rylah]

Eloy and Monte, to sum up your argument, you claim that the Jews/Israelis don't have any right or connection to hold the Dead Sea scrolls.
Why?

Because a man or a woman who decides to go through conversion isn't a "real" Jew.

Did I get your idea?

It is not my idea that converts to Judaism are not Jews.

Rather, I am not a racist and I question a so-called connection between European Jews and Palestine based on race and the ownership of Palestine determined by race.

But the 'other Jews' you have no problem with?

 

[rylah]

Even if so (which it isn't), still a language so foreign to the Hebrew, used by the Jewish people, and it still shows their connection to these scrolls

No, the European Jews in the 20th century were unrelated to the Semitic Jews of the Middle East. Simply using a Hebrew alphabet is insufficient to establish a connection, whatever that means, between the two groups. Scottish Gaelic was a spoken language without any alphabet when the monks of the early centuries C.E. introduced a Latin alphabet but subsequent use of the Latin alphabet cannot demonstrate any connection between the Scots and, say, the Romanians who used the same script.

Even the link Monte attached proves you wrong- 80% at least are confirmed to be Middle Eastern.
Anyway this claim of "synthetic" Jews has been trashed time and time again in the intended posts. Here it's mere trolling and trying to catch a straws. We're discussing heritage and culture not genetics. And even if genetics were on your side (the studies show exactly the opposite), you'd still have to deal with the Jews who lived in the ME.

In addition the comparison is invalid for the simple fact that nobody else uses the Hebrew except for the Jews, unlike Latin and English.
Hebrew is a unique language, used by one people throughout millenniums. And thus shows a direct connection to a specific heritage.

It's as plain as the nose on one's face (if I might use that expression) that among the European Jews of the 20th century, so many had little if any Semitic blood. So indistinguishable were they from ordinary Germans that they were required to wear a yellow star when in public.

Aryan-looking blonde child from German-occupied France in the last century -- not at all Semitic

Once Israeli apologists are tempted into making a case for the purity of Jewish blood based on DNA, they have lost the argument among wiser people who identify racism at the core of Zionism.

Yet we all know the very distinguishable anti-semitic caricatures portraying those Jews with big noses and locks on the sides. We also know that those Jewish kids were killed for merely being Jews. What was once used to single out the Jew is now used by you to make him indistinguishable.

It's a reoccurring neurosis in the anti-semitic syndrome- the Jews are Jews when they're to blame, even after they've assimilated fully, They're told "Go away aliens!".
Then when convenient, the Jews stop being Semitic...they're Europeans !

This is exactly the reasons Jews need a country and protect their heritage on their OWN.

I'm sorry, your point escapes me. I am wondering if, in your view, the entitlement of Jews to own Palestine is or is not based on race.

I'll try to make it clear for You- we're talking HERITAGE. Genetics and Race relations have their intended forums.

How does entitlement to Palestine, DNA and Race appear here if not for the usual motive?

 

[rylah]

Even if so (which it isn't), still a language so foreign to the Hebrew, used by the Jewish people, and it still shows their connection to these scrolls

No, the European Jews in the 20th century were unrelated to the Semitic Jews of the Middle East. Simply using a Hebrew alphabet is insufficient to establish a connection, whatever that means, between the two groups. Scottish Gaelic was a spoken language without any alphabet when the monks of the early centuries C.E. introduced a Latin alphabet but subsequent use of the Latin alphabet cannot demonstrate any connection between the Scots and, say, the Romanians who used the same script.

Even the link Monte attached proves you wrong- 80% at least are confirmed to be Middle Eastern.
Anyway this claim of "synthetic" Jews has been trashed time and time again in the intended posts. Here it's mere trolling and trying to catch a straws. We're discussing heritage and culture not genetics. And even if genetics were on your side (the studies show exactly the opposite), you'd still have to deal with the Jews who lived in the ME.

In addition the comparison is invalid for the simple fact that nobody else uses the Hebrew except for the Jews, unlike Latin and English.
Hebrew is a unique language, used by one people throughout millenniums. And thus shows a direct connection to a specific heritage.

It's as plain as the nose on one's face (if I might use that expression) that among the European Jews of the 20th century, so many had little if any Semitic blood. So indistinguishable were they from ordinary Germans that they were required to wear a yellow star when in public.

Aryan-looking blonde child from German-occupied France in the last century -- not at all Semitic

Once Israeli apologists are tempted into making a case for the purity of Jewish blood based on DNA, they have lost the argument among wiser people who identify racism at the core of Zionism.

Yet we all know the very distinguishable anti-semitic caricatures portraying those Jews with big noses and locks on the sides. We also know that those Jewish kids were killed for merely being Jews. What was once used to single out the Jew is now used by you to make him indistinguishable.

It's a reoccurring neurosis in the anti-semitic syndrome- the Jews are Jews when they're to blame, even after they've assimilated fully, They're told "Go away aliens!".
Then when convenient, the Jews stop being Semitic...they're Europeans !

This is exactly the reasons Jews need a country and protect their heritage on their OWN.

I'm sorry, your point escapes me. I am wondering if, in your view, the entitlement of Jews to own Palestine is or is not based on race.

There're Jews who returned to Israel from India, Ethiopia, Russia, Iran, Philippines and more...they might have looked differently but they brought with them the same unchanged heritage. And these scrolls are their scrolls of Torah.

 

[Eloy]

Eloy and Monte, to sum up your argument, you claim that the Jews/Israelis don't have any right or connection to hold the Dead Sea scrolls.
Why?

Because a man or a woman who decides to go through conversion isn't a "real" Jew.

Did I get your idea?

It is not my idea that converts to Judaism are not Jews.

Rather, I am not a racist and I question a so-called connection between European Jews and Palestine based on race and the ownership of Palestine determined by race.

But the 'other Jews' you have no problem with?

No; I have no problem with Jews.

 

[Eloy]

No, the European Jews in the 20th century were unrelated to the Semitic Jews of the Middle East. Simply using a Hebrew alphabet is insufficient to establish a connection, whatever that means, between the two groups. Scottish Gaelic was a spoken language without any alphabet when the monks of the early centuries C.E. introduced a Latin alphabet but subsequent use of the Latin alphabet cannot demonstrate any connection between the Scots and, say, the Romanians who used the same script.

Even the link Monte attached proves you wrong- 80% at least are confirmed to be Middle Eastern.
Anyway this claim of "synthetic" Jews has been trashed time and time again in the intended posts. Here it's mere trolling and trying to catch a straws. We're discussing heritage and culture not genetics. And even if genetics were on your side (the studies show exactly the opposite), you'd still have to deal with the Jews who lived in the ME.

In addition the comparison is invalid for the simple fact that nobody else uses the Hebrew except for the Jews, unlike Latin and English.
Hebrew is a unique language, used by one people throughout millenniums. And thus shows a direct connection to a specific heritage.

It's as plain as the nose on one's face (if I might use that expression) that among the European Jews of the 20th century, so many had little if any Semitic blood. So indistinguishable were they from ordinary Germans that they were required to wear a yellow star when in public.

Aryan-looking blonde child from German-occupied France in the last century -- not at all Semitic

Once Israeli apologists are tempted into making a case for the purity of Jewish blood based on DNA, they have lost the argument among wiser people who identify racism at the core of Zionism.

Yet we all know the very distinguishable anti-semitic caricatures portraying those Jews with big noses and locks on the sides. We also know that those Jewish kids were killed for merely being Jews. What was once used to single out the Jew is now used by you to make him indistinguishable.

It's a reoccurring neurosis in the anti-semitic syndrome- the Jews are Jews when they're to blame, even after they've assimilated fully, They're told "Go away aliens!".
Then when convenient, the Jews stop being Semitic...they're Europeans !

This is exactly the reasons Jews need a country and protect their heritage on their OWN.

I'm sorry, your point escapes me. I am wondering if, in your view, the entitlement of Jews to own Palestine is or is not based on race.

I'll try to make it clear for You- we're talking HERITAGE. Genetics and Race relations have their intended forums.

How does entitlement to Palestine, DNA and Race appear here if not for the usual motive?

I'm sorry but when you wrote above "Even the link Monte attached proves you wrong- 80% at least are confirmed to be Middle Eastern." I assumed the 80% had some racial significance for you. You know, a racist justification for the Jews to have an exclusively Jewish state in Palestine.

 

[rylah]

Even the link Monte attached proves you wrong- 80% at least are confirmed to be Middle Eastern.
Anyway this claim of "synthetic" Jews has been trashed time and time again in the intended posts. Here it's mere trolling and trying to catch a straws. We're discussing heritage and culture not genetics. And even if genetics were on your side (the studies show exactly the opposite), you'd still have to deal with the Jews who lived in the ME.

In addition the comparison is invalid for the simple fact that nobody else uses the Hebrew except for the Jews, unlike Latin and English.
Hebrew is a unique language, used by one people throughout millenniums. And thus shows a direct connection to a specific heritage.

It's as plain as the nose on one's face (if I might use that expression) that among the European Jews of the 20th century, so many had little if any Semitic blood. So indistinguishable were they from ordinary Germans that they were required to wear a yellow star when in public.

Aryan-looking blonde child from German-occupied France in the last century -- not at all Semitic

Once Israeli apologists are tempted into making a case for the purity of Jewish blood based on DNA, they have lost the argument among wiser people who identify racism at the core of Zionism.

Yet we all know the very distinguishable anti-semitic caricatures portraying those Jews with big noses and locks on the sides. We also know that those Jewish kids were killed for merely being Jews. What was once used to single out the Jew is now used by you to make him indistinguishable.

It's a reoccurring neurosis in the anti-semitic syndrome- the Jews are Jews when they're to blame, even after they've assimilated fully, They're told "Go away aliens!".
Then when convenient, the Jews stop being Semitic...they're Europeans !

This is exactly the reasons Jews need a country and protect their heritage on their OWN.

I'm sorry, your point escapes me. I am wondering if, in your view, the entitlement of Jews to own Palestine is or is not based on race.

I'll try to make it clear for You- we're talking HERITAGE. Genetics and Race relations have their intended forums.

How does entitlement to Palestine, DNA and Race appear here if not for the usual motive?

I'm sorry but when you wrote above "Even the link Monte attached proves you wrong- 80% at least are confirmed to be Middle Eastern." I assumed the 80% had some racial significance for you. You know, a racist justification for the Jews to have an exclusively Jewish state in Palestine.

With a strong Arab opposition in the Knesset, highest ranks in the army, law, finance, education and culture.
This point serves only to de-legitimize Israel. And not in anyway related to the discussion of the scrolls.

 

[Hollie]

Even the link Monte attached proves you wrong- 80% at least are confirmed to be Middle Eastern.
Anyway this claim of "synthetic" Jews has been trashed time and time again in the intended posts. Here it's mere trolling and trying to catch a straws. We're discussing heritage and culture not genetics. And even if genetics were on your side (the studies show exactly the opposite), you'd still have to deal with the Jews who lived in the ME.

In addition the comparison is invalid for the simple fact that nobody else uses the Hebrew except for the Jews, unlike Latin and English.
Hebrew is a unique language, used by one people throughout millenniums. And thus shows a direct connection to a specific heritage.

It's as plain as the nose on one's face (if I might use that expression) that among the European Jews of the 20th century, so many had little if any Semitic blood. So indistinguishable were they from ordinary Germans that they were required to wear a yellow star when in public.

Aryan-looking blonde child from German-occupied France in the last century -- not at all Semitic

Once Israeli apologists are tempted into making a case for the purity of Jewish blood based on DNA, they have lost the argument among wiser people who identify racism at the core of Zionism.

Yet we all know the very distinguishable anti-semitic caricatures portraying those Jews with big noses and locks on the sides. We also know that those Jewish kids were killed for merely being Jews. What was once used to single out the Jew is now used by you to make him indistinguishable.

It's a reoccurring neurosis in the anti-semitic syndrome- the Jews are Jews when they're to blame, even after they've assimilated fully, They're told "Go away aliens!".
Then when convenient, the Jews stop being Semitic...they're Europeans !

This is exactly the reasons Jews need a country and protect their heritage on their OWN.

I'm sorry, your point escapes me. I am wondering if, in your view, the entitlement of Jews to own Palestine is or is not based on race.

I'll try to make it clear for You- we're talking HERITAGE. Genetics and Race relations have their intended forums.

How does entitlement to Palestine, DNA and Race appear here if not for the usual motive?

I'm sorry but when you wrote above "Even the link Monte attached proves you wrong- 80% at least are confirmed to be Middle Eastern." I assumed the 80% had some racial significance for you. You know, a racist justification for the Jews to have an exclusively Jewish state in Palestine.

Israel is not exclusively Jewish. Odd how you litter the racist™ slogan throughout your posts when directed at Israel. Yet, you and an identifiable cabal are completely silent regarding the true racist, apartheid states - the islamist Middle Eastern dystopias - which have nearly purged competing religions from an entire portion of the planet.

Did you know that the KSA is 100℅ islamist? I wonder why that is?

I suppose those good folks in the KSA have had a collective epiphany.

Countries Compared by Religion > Islam > Percentage Muslim. International Statistics at NationMaster.com

 

[Eloy]

It's as plain as the nose on one's face (if I might use that expression) that among the European Jews of the 20th century, so many had little if any Semitic blood. So indistinguishable were they from ordinary Germans that they were required to wear a yellow star when in public.

Aryan-looking blonde child from German-occupied France in the last century -- not at all Semitic

Once Israeli apologists are tempted into making a case for the purity of Jewish blood based on DNA, they have lost the argument among wiser people who identify racism at the core of Zionism.

Yet we all know the very distinguishable anti-semitic caricatures portraying those Jews with big noses and locks on the sides. We also know that those Jewish kids were killed for merely being Jews. What was once used to single out the Jew is now used by you to make him indistinguishable.

It's a reoccurring neurosis in the anti-semitic syndrome- the Jews are Jews when they're to blame, even after they've assimilated fully, They're told "Go away aliens!".
Then when convenient, the Jews stop being Semitic...they're Europeans !

This is exactly the reasons Jews need a country and protect their heritage on their OWN.

I'm sorry, your point escapes me. I am wondering if, in your view, the entitlement of Jews to own Palestine is or is not based on race.

I'll try to make it clear for You- we're talking HERITAGE. Genetics and Race relations have their intended forums.

How does entitlement to Palestine, DNA and Race appear here if not for the usual motive?

I'm sorry but when you wrote above "Even the link Monte attached proves you wrong- 80% at least are confirmed to be Middle Eastern." I assumed the 80% had some racial significance for you. You know, a racist justification for the Jews to have an exclusively Jewish state in Palestine.

With a strong Arab opposition in the Knesset, highest ranks in the army, law, finance, education and culture.
This point serves only to de-legitimize Israel. And not in anyway related to the discussion of the scrolls.

If the ownership of the Dead Sea Scrolls belongs to Russian Jewish immigrants to Palestine on account of their racial purity as Jews then the argument is racist.

 

[montelatici]

No, the European Jews in the 20th century were unrelated to the Semitic Jews of the Middle East. Simply using a Hebrew alphabet is insufficient to establish a connection, whatever that means, between the two groups. Scottish Gaelic was a spoken language without any alphabet when the monks of the early centuries C.E. introduced a Latin alphabet but subsequent use of the Latin alphabet cannot demonstrate any connection between the Scots and, say, the Romanians who used the same script.

Even the link Monte attached proves you wrong- 80% at least are confirmed to be Middle Eastern.
Anyway this claim of "synthetic" Jews has been trashed time and time again in the intended posts. Here it's mere trolling and trying to catch a straws. We're discussing heritage and culture not genetics. And even if genetics were on your side (the studies show exactly the opposite), you'd still have to deal with the Jews who lived in the ME.

In addition the comparison is invalid for the simple fact that nobody else uses the Hebrew except for the Jews, unlike Latin and English.
Hebrew is a unique language, used by one people throughout millenniums. And thus shows a direct connection to a specific heritage.

It's as plain as the nose on one's face (if I might use that expression) that among the European Jews of the 20th century, so many had little if any Semitic blood. So indistinguishable were they from ordinary Germans that they were required to wear a yellow star when in public.

Aryan-looking blonde child from German-occupied France in the last century -- not at all Semitic

Once Israeli apologists are tempted into making a case for the purity of Jewish blood based on DNA, they have lost the argument among wiser people who identify racism at the core of Zionism.

Yet we all know the very distinguishable anti-semitic caricatures portraying those Jews with big noses and locks on the sides. We also know that those Jewish kids were killed for merely being Jews. What was once used to single out the Jew is now used by you to make him indistinguishable.

It's a reoccurring neurosis in the anti-semitic syndrome- the Jews are Jews when they're to blame, even after they've assimilated fully, They're told "Go away aliens!".
Then when convenient, the Jews stop being Semitic...they're Europeans !

This is exactly the reasons Jews need a country and protect their heritage on their OWN.

I'm sorry, your point escapes me. I am wondering if, in your view, the entitlement of Jews to own Palestine is or is not based on race.

There're Jews who returned to Israel from India, Ethiopia, Russia, Iran, Philippines and more...they might have looked differently but they brought with them the same unchanged heritage. And these scrolls are their scrolls of Torah.

That is ridiculous. That would mean that if Inuits converted en-masse to Judaism and decided to go to Palestine, they would be returning. You people are delusional.

 

[Hollie]

Even the link Monte attached proves you wrong- 80% at least are confirmed to be Middle Eastern.
Anyway this claim of "synthetic" Jews has been trashed time and time again in the intended posts. Here it's mere trolling and trying to catch a straws. We're discussing heritage and culture not genetics. And even if genetics were on your side (the studies show exactly the opposite), you'd still have to deal with the Jews who lived in the ME.

In addition the comparison is invalid for the simple fact that nobody else uses the Hebrew except for the Jews, unlike Latin and English.
Hebrew is a unique language, used by one people throughout millenniums. And thus shows a direct connection to a specific heritage.

It's as plain as the nose on one's face (if I might use that expression) that among the European Jews of the 20th century, so many had little if any Semitic blood. So indistinguishable were they from ordinary Germans that they were required to wear a yellow star when in public.

Aryan-looking blonde child from German-occupied France in the last century -- not at all Semitic

Once Israeli apologists are tempted into making a case for the purity of Jewish blood based on DNA, they have lost the argument among wiser people who identify racism at the core of Zionism.

Yet we all know the very distinguishable anti-semitic caricatures portraying those Jews with big noses and locks on the sides. We also know that those Jewish kids were killed for merely being Jews. What was once used to single out the Jew is now used by you to make him indistinguishable.

It's a reoccurring neurosis in the anti-semitic syndrome- the Jews are Jews when they're to blame, even after they've assimilated fully, They're told "Go away aliens!".
Then when convenient, the Jews stop being Semitic...they're Europeans !

This is exactly the reasons Jews need a country and protect their heritage on their OWN.

I'm sorry, your point escapes me. I am wondering if, in your view, the entitlement of Jews to own Palestine is or is not based on race.

There're Jews who returned to Israel from India, Ethiopia, Russia, Iran, Philippines and more...they might have looked differently but they brought with them the same unchanged heritage. And these scrolls are their scrolls of Torah.

That is ridiculous. That would mean that if Inuits converted en-masse to Judaism and decided to go to Palestine, they would be returning. You people are delusional.

Well, hell. As of five minutes ago, I'm a Pal'istanian refugee™ so I demand a chunk of that UN funded Islamic terrorist welfare money. Thanks. The right of return I can do without. Just give me the money.

 

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Yet we all know the very distinguishable anti-semitic caricatures portraying those Jews with big noses and locks on the sides. We also know that those Jewish kids were killed for merely being Jews. What was once used to single out the Jew is now used by you to make him indistinguishable.

It's a reoccurring neurosis in the anti-semitic syndrome- the Jews are Jews when they're to blame, even after they've assimilated fully, They're told "Go away aliens!".
Then when convenient, the Jews stop being Semitic...they're Europeans !

This is exactly the reasons Jews need a country and protect their heritage on their OWN.

I'm sorry, your point escapes me. I am wondering if, in your view, the entitlement of Jews to own Palestine is or is not based on race.

I'll try to make it clear for You- we're talking HERITAGE. Genetics and Race relations have their intended forums.

How does entitlement to Palestine, DNA and Race appear here if not for the usual motive?

I'm sorry but when you wrote above "Even the link Monte attached proves you wrong- 80% at least are confirmed to be Middle Eastern." I assumed the 80% had some racial significance for you. You know, a racist justification for the Jews to have an exclusively Jewish state in Palestine.

With a strong Arab opposition in the Knesset, highest ranks in the army, law, finance, education and culture.
This point serves only to de-legitimize Israel. And not in anyway related to the discussion of the scrolls.

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If the ownership of the Dead Sea Scrolls belongs to Russian Jewish immigrants to Palestine on account of their racial purity as Jews then the argument is racist.

Again deflecting, this was not claimed by anyone. It's You who's brought up "racial purity"- why would you bring eugenics into discussion about Jewish scrolls?

 

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Even the link Monte attached proves you wrong- 80% at least are confirmed to be Middle Eastern.
Anyway this claim of "synthetic" Jews has been trashed time and time again in the intended posts. Here it's mere trolling and trying to catch a straws. We're discussing heritage and culture not genetics. And even if genetics were on your side (the studies show exactly the opposite), you'd still have to deal with the Jews who lived in the ME.

In addition the comparison is invalid for the simple fact that nobody else uses the Hebrew except for the Jews, unlike Latin and English.
Hebrew is a unique language, used by one people throughout millenniums. And thus shows a direct connection to a specific heritage.

It's as plain as the nose on one's face (if I might use that expression) that among the European Jews of the 20th century, so many had little if any Semitic blood. So indistinguishable were they from ordinary Germans that they were required to wear a yellow star when in public.

Aryan-looking blonde child from German-occupied France in the last century -- not at all Semitic

Once Israeli apologists are tempted into making a case for the purity of Jewish blood based on DNA, they have lost the argument among wiser people who identify racism at the core of Zionism.

Yet we all know the very distinguishable anti-semitic caricatures portraying those Jews with big noses and locks on the sides. We also know that those Jewish kids were killed for merely being Jews. What was once used to single out the Jew is now used by you to make him indistinguishable.

It's a reoccurring neurosis in the anti-semitic syndrome- the Jews are Jews when they're to blame, even after they've assimilated fully, They're told "Go away aliens!".
Then when convenient, the Jews stop being Semitic...they're Europeans !

This is exactly the reasons Jews need a country and protect their heritage on their OWN.

I'm sorry, your point escapes me. I am wondering if, in your view, the entitlement of Jews to own Palestine is or is not based on race.

There're Jews who returned to Israel from India, Ethiopia, Russia, Iran, Philippines and more...they might have looked differently but they brought with them the same unchanged heritage. And these scrolls are their scrolls of Torah.

That is ridiculous. That would mean that if Inuits converted en-masse to Judaism and decided to go to Palestine, they would be returning. You people are delusional.

It's ridiculous, yet you claim this actually happened. That it'a been such a great experience being Jews that people jumped at the opportunity. Romans en-masse decided to convert to Judaism, a religion of slaves, loose all status, go through circumcision and become the enemies of Christianity.

Sure and let's not forget that all Jewish women are Italian, however the males somehow managed to remain 80% Mid Eastern- cause it haaaas to be logical