'Palestinian'

[rylah]

One of Mntelatici's links:

44% of Lebanese are Arabians

Reference Populations - Geno 2.0 Next Generation

And? What does that have to do with Palestinians?

It's the same area. One country according to Palestinians themselves.
In Egypt there 17% Arabians, in Lebanon 44%...You do the logic.

Tunisians have 4% Arabian DNA. Egyptians 17%

There is no logic you haven't a clue what the percentage of Arabian DNA Palestinians have maybe 4% maybe 17%. From the same NG study Ashkenazi Jews have 10% Arabian DNA, they are more Arabian than "Arab" Tunisians.

"12. Ashkenazi Jews (Jews who originated in Eastern Europe): 10 percent"


DNA analysis proves Arabs aren't entirely Arab

And that's just Arabian DNA...we know there're Bosnian Palestinians, Kurdish and many more.
It's simple, the area has been a crossing point between 3 continents for millenias.

 

[montelatici]

One of Mntelatici's links:

44% of Lebanese are Arabians

Reference Populations - Geno 2.0 Next Generation

And? What does that have to do with Palestinians?

It's the same area. One country according to Palestinians themselves.
In Egypt there 17% Arabians, in Lebanon 44%...You do the logic.

Tunisians have 4% Arabian DNA. Egyptians 17%

There is no logic you haven't a clue what the percentage of Arabian DNA Palestinians have maybe 4% maybe 17%. From the same NG study Ashkenazi Jews have 10% Arabian DNA, they are more Arabian than "Arab" Tunisians.

"12. Ashkenazi Jews (Jews who originated in Eastern Europe): 10 percent"


DNA analysis proves Arabs aren't entirely Arab

And that's just Arabian DNA...we know there're Bosnian Palestinians, Kurdish and many more.
It's simple, the area has been a crossing point between 3 continents for millenias.

You are hilarious. Somehow, you are trying to convince others that people that have always lived in Palestine are less indigenous than people that colonized the place starting in the late 19th century.

Do you not see how ridiculous that is. Just to support a myth.

 

[Hollie]

And? What does that have to do with Palestinians?

It's the same area. One country according to Palestinians themselves.
In Egypt there 17% Arabians, in Lebanon 44%...You do the logic.

Tunisians have 4% Arabian DNA. Egyptians 17%

There is no logic you haven't a clue what the percentage of Arabian DNA Palestinians have maybe 4% maybe 17%. From the same NG study Ashkenazi Jews have 10% Arabian DNA, they are more Arabian than "Arab" Tunisians.

"12. Ashkenazi Jews (Jews who originated in Eastern Europe): 10 percent"


DNA analysis proves Arabs aren't entirely Arab

And that's just Arabian DNA...we know there're Bosnian Palestinians, Kurdish and many more.
It's simple, the area has been a crossing point between 3 continents for millenias.

You are hilarious. Somehow, you are trying to convince others that people that have always lived in Palestine are less indigenous than people that colonized the place starting in the late 19th century.

Do you not see how ridiculous that is. Just to support a myth.

So...what you're trying to represent is that Arab-Islamist colonizers and European Christian Crusaders colonists / invaders, people that you claim "have always lived in Palestine", are somehow the indigenous people.

I'm sure you dont understand that such clown dancing makes you look like a total buffoon but people are pointing at you and laughing for a reason.

 

[rylah]

And? What does that have to do with Palestinians?

It's the same area. One country according to Palestinians themselves.
In Egypt there 17% Arabians, in Lebanon 44%...You do the logic.

Tunisians have 4% Arabian DNA. Egyptians 17%

There is no logic you haven't a clue what the percentage of Arabian DNA Palestinians have maybe 4% maybe 17%. From the same NG study Ashkenazi Jews have 10% Arabian DNA, they are more Arabian than "Arab" Tunisians.

"12. Ashkenazi Jews (Jews who originated in Eastern Europe): 10 percent"


DNA analysis proves Arabs aren't entirely Arab

And that's just Arabian DNA...we know there're Bosnian Palestinians, Kurdish and many more.
It's simple, the area has been a crossing point between 3 continents for millenias.

You are hilarious. Somehow, you are trying to convince others that people that have always lived in Palestine are less indigenous than people that colonized the place starting in the late 19th century.

Do you not see how ridiculous that is. Just to support a myth.

There's no 'less' or 'more' indigenous, You're either indigenous or not. To be considered indigenous You have to show something that connects You the land through generations. Speak its' language. Have AT LEAST something in common with the land, otherwise You're just an occupier.

Prolonged occupation does not make one indigenous.
There're some Palestinians of indigenous ancestry, like the Karmi family, Kwuzeba family...but interestingly many of them cherish their Jewish origins.

They circumcise on the 8th day (unlike Arabians), they light candles on Friday evening. Have distinct Jewish tombs of their family, or simply have Mezuza's hidden. Not many though.

 

[rylah]

And? What does that have to do with Palestinians?

It's the same area. One country according to Palestinians themselves.
In Egypt there 17% Arabians, in Lebanon 44%...You do the logic.

Tunisians have 4% Arabian DNA. Egyptians 17%

There is no logic you haven't a clue what the percentage of Arabian DNA Palestinians have maybe 4% maybe 17%. From the same NG study Ashkenazi Jews have 10% Arabian DNA, they are more Arabian than "Arab" Tunisians.

"12. Ashkenazi Jews (Jews who originated in Eastern Europe): 10 percent"


DNA analysis proves Arabs aren't entirely Arab

And that's just Arabian DNA...we know there're Bosnian Palestinians, Kurdish and many more.
It's simple, the area has been a crossing point between 3 continents for millenias.

You are hilarious. Somehow, you are trying to convince others that people that have always lived in Palestine are less indigenous than people that colonized the place starting in the late 19th century.

Do you not see how ridiculous that is. Just to support a myth.

How do You know if someone "always" lived in Palestine?
Jews have lived in the land for millenias, however they diminished to small communities through the conquests,and left a long thread of their presence and culture there that is kept to this days.
It's really hard to grasp how any BIG communities of Canaanites could remain in the same land, even less to become a majority and then totally deny their own traditions in favor of colonizing cultures.

The example of Latin America...the indigenous people are not the majority. And mind You Americas compared Palestine is a (relatively) isolated place.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

It's a requirement that indigenous people have a culture of the place, not the culture of the colonizers. By definition.

This needs to be emphasized.

That is ridiculous and would not apply to the European Jews anyway, who were culturally European.

A Native American in the U.S. that is a Christian, speaks English, eats at MacDonalds and runs a casino dressed in an Italian suit, is still indigenous to the Americas.

Actually, Native Americans aren't totally Americanized. From documentaries that I've seen, many of them participate in cultural events where they put on feather headresses and do rain-dances. But Palestinians have no distinct culture. The first paragraphs in their charters already state that they are part of the larger Arab Nation.

 

[rylah]

One of Mntelatici's links:

44% of Lebanese are Arabians

Reference Populations - Geno 2.0 Next Generation

And? What does that have to do with Palestinians?

It's the same area. One country according to Palestinians themselves.
In Egypt there 17% Arabians, in Lebanon 44%...You do the logic.

Tunisians have 4% Arabian DNA. Egyptians 17%

There is no logic you haven't a clue what the percentage of Arabian DNA Palestinians have maybe 4% maybe 17%. From the same NG study Ashkenazi Jews have 10% Arabian DNA, they are more Arabian than "Arab" Tunisians.

"12. Ashkenazi Jews (Jews who originated in Eastern Europe): 10 percent"


DNA analysis proves Arabs aren't entirely Arab

Again why lie? - the link states:

Ashkenazi Jews 3% Arabian, 2% E. European.
The rest 95% Jewish diaspora.
Not 10% and 5%. But that's typical of Your compulsive Photoshop tactics.

"This reference population is based on groups with cultural and religious affinities with Judaism in Eastern and Central Europe, as well as in the Americas. These groups trace their deep ancestry to Israel and the region of the Middle East. However, most of these groups have been living in diaspora for centuries, and in some cases millennia."

Reference Populations - Geno 2.0 Next Generation

Lebanese - are still 44% Arabians, and 14% Jews

 

[June 7 2017]

One of Mntelatici's links:

44% of Lebanese are Arabians

Reference Populations - Geno 2.0 Next Generation

And? What does that have to do with Palestinians?

It's the same area. One country according to Palestinians themselves.
In Egypt there 17% Arabians, in Lebanon 44%...You do the logic.

Tunisians have 4% Arabian DNA. Egyptians 17%

There is no logic you haven't a clue what the percentage of Arabian DNA Palestinians have maybe 4% maybe 17%. From the same NG study Ashkenazi Jews have 10% Arabian DNA, they are more Arabian than "Arab" Tunisians.

"12. Ashkenazi Jews (Jews who originated in Eastern Europe): 10 percent"


DNA analysis proves Arabs aren't entirely Arab

Again why lie? - the link states:

Ashkenazi Jews 3% Arabian, 2% E. European.
The rest 95% Jewish diaspora.
Not 10% and 5%. But that's typical of Your compulsive Photoshop tactics.

"This reference population is based on groups with cultural and religious affinities with Judaism in Eastern and Central Europe, as well as in the Americas. These groups trace their deep ancestry to Israel and the region of the Middle East. However, most of these groups have been living in diaspora for centuries, and in some cases millennia."

Reference Populations - Geno 2.0 Next Generation

Lebanese - are still 44% Arabians, and 14% Jews

Monty is not knowingly lying; she is mentally ill.

 

[Shusha]

You are hilarious. Somehow, you are trying to convince others that people that have always lived in Palestine are less indigenous ....

Actually, you are trying to convince us that people with absolutely no cultural markers of a connection to the place have "always lived" in the place.

While at the same time claiming that the people with ALL the cultural markers of being from that place have no connection to that place.

 

[Shusha]

A Native American in the U.S. that is a Christian, speaks English, eats at MacDonalds and runs a casino dressed in an Italian suit, is still indigenous to the Americas.

The test of indigeneity is NOT whether someone has adopted the colonial culture (most do, most are forced to), but whether or not they have retained their own culture. (Communally, not individually).

Thus, as rylah pointed out, those who retained the Jewish culture and continue to self-identify as Jewish are indigenous to the place of origin of the Jewish people (Israel, Judea, Samaria). Those who have lost that culture are not indigenous.

Though, as rylah also pointed out, they have rights for other reasons.

 

[Shusha]

You are hilarious. Somehow, you are trying to convince others that people that have always lived in Palestine are less indigenous ....

Actually, you are trying to convince us that people with absolutely no cultural markers of a connection to the place have "always lived" in the place.

While at the same time claiming that the people with ALL the cultural markers of being from that place have no connection to that place.

Adding to this. You are also claiming that an entire population can have its culture wiped out, eradicated and adopt another entirely different culture without being "colonized".

 

[P F Tinmore]

A Native American in the U.S. that is a Christian, speaks English, eats at MacDonalds and runs a casino dressed in an Italian suit, is still indigenous to the Americas.

The test of indigeneity is NOT whether someone has adopted the colonial culture (most do, most are forced to), but whether or not they have retained their own culture. (Communally, not individually).

Thus, as rylah pointed out, those who retained the Jewish culture and continue to self-identify as Jewish are indigenous to the place of origin of the Jewish people (Israel, Judea, Samaria). Those who have lost that culture are not indigenous.

Though, as rylah also pointed out, they have rights for other reasons.

The test of indigeneity is NOT, blah, blah, blah.

Even cave men probably trekked in from someplace else.
Palestine has been invaded, occupied, and conquered many times. It was the crossroad of the world for... well...forever. Many people came and went for thousands of years.

However, there is a core group of people who stayed and put down roots. They built the cities, factories and homes. They planted the trees and picked the fruit. They worked the farms. Most have been there for hundreds of years if not more.

I don't see where anyone can claim the right to take that away from them.

 

[Hollie]

A Native American in the U.S. that is a Christian, speaks English, eats at MacDonalds and runs a casino dressed in an Italian suit, is still indigenous to the Americas.

The test of indigeneity is NOT whether someone has adopted the colonial culture (most do, most are forced to), but whether or not they have retained their own culture. (Communally, not individually).

Thus, as rylah pointed out, those who retained the Jewish culture and continue to self-identify as Jewish are indigenous to the place of origin of the Jewish people (Israel, Judea, Samaria). Those who have lost that culture are not indigenous.

Though, as rylah also pointed out, they have rights for other reasons.

The test of indigeneity is NOT, blah, blah, blah.

Even cave men probably trekked in from someplace else.
Palestine has been invaded, occupied, and conquered many times. It was the crossroad of the world for... well...forever. Many people came and went for thousands of years.

However, there is a core group of people who stayed and put down roots. They built the cities, factories and homes. They planted the trees and picked the fruit. They worked the farms. Most have been there for hundreds of years if not more.

I don't see where anyone can claim the right to take that away from them.

What "core group of people". You claim "they" did many things but offer nothing more than "because I say so" as evidence.

Link?

 

[rylah]

A Native American in the U.S. that is a Christian, speaks English, eats at MacDonalds and runs a casino dressed in an Italian suit, is still indigenous to the Americas.

The test of indigeneity is NOT whether someone has adopted the colonial culture (most do, most are forced to), but whether or not they have retained their own culture. (Communally, not individually).

Thus, as rylah pointed out, those who retained the Jewish culture and continue to self-identify as Jewish are indigenous to the place of origin of the Jewish people (Israel, Judea, Samaria). Those who have lost that culture are not indigenous.

Though, as rylah also pointed out, they have rights for other reasons.

The test of indigeneity is NOT, blah, blah, blah.

Even cave men probably trekked in from someplace else.
Palestine has been invaded, occupied, and conquered many times. It was the crossroad of the world for... well...forever. Many people came and went for thousands of years.

However, there is a core group of people who stayed and put down roots. They built the cities, factories and homes. They planted the trees and picked the fruit. They worked the farms. Most have been there for hundreds of years if not more.

I don't see where anyone can claim the right to take that away from them.

How about indigenous right to self-determination, right to be free of discrimination, right to self defense, right to safeguard the heritage and culture?

All these rights are impossible under Arab Muslim colonialism.
Ask the Kurds, Yazidis and many other indigenous people subjugated under the Arab Muslim colonialism.
You say You're against colonialism, but actually You're all for it and for the continuation of discrimination.

However I appreciate Your honesty about the identity of 'Palestinian'

 

[P F Tinmore]

A Native American in the U.S. that is a Christian, speaks English, eats at MacDonalds and runs a casino dressed in an Italian suit, is still indigenous to the Americas.

The test of indigeneity is NOT whether someone has adopted the colonial culture (most do, most are forced to), but whether or not they have retained their own culture. (Communally, not individually).

Thus, as rylah pointed out, those who retained the Jewish culture and continue to self-identify as Jewish are indigenous to the place of origin of the Jewish people (Israel, Judea, Samaria). Those who have lost that culture are not indigenous.

Though, as rylah also pointed out, they have rights for other reasons.

The test of indigeneity is NOT, blah, blah, blah.

Even cave men probably trekked in from someplace else.
Palestine has been invaded, occupied, and conquered many times. It was the crossroad of the world for... well...forever. Many people came and went for thousands of years.

However, there is a core group of people who stayed and put down roots. They built the cities, factories and homes. They planted the trees and picked the fruit. They worked the farms. Most have been there for hundreds of years if not more.

I don't see where anyone can claim the right to take that away from them.

How about indigenous right to self-determination, right to be free of discrimination, right to self defense, right to safeguard the heritage and culture?

All these rights are impossible under Arab Muslim colonialism.
Ask the Kurds, Yazidis and many other indigenous people subjugated under the Arab Muslim colonialism.
You say You're against colonialism, but actually You're all for it and for the continuation of discrimination.

However I appreciate Your honesty about the identity of 'Palestinian'

That does not address my post.

I don't see where anyone can claim the right to take that away from them.

 

[rylah]

A Native American in the U.S. that is a Christian, speaks English, eats at MacDonalds and runs a casino dressed in an Italian suit, is still indigenous to the Americas.

The test of indigeneity is NOT whether someone has adopted the colonial culture (most do, most are forced to), but whether or not they have retained their own culture. (Communally, not individually).

Thus, as rylah pointed out, those who retained the Jewish culture and continue to self-identify as Jewish are indigenous to the place of origin of the Jewish people (Israel, Judea, Samaria). Those who have lost that culture are not indigenous.

Though, as rylah also pointed out, they have rights for other reasons.

The test of indigeneity is NOT, blah, blah, blah.

Even cave men probably trekked in from someplace else.
Palestine has been invaded, occupied, and conquered many times. It was the crossroad of the world for... well...forever. Many people came and went for thousands of years.

However, there is a core group of people who stayed and put down roots. They built the cities, factories and homes. They planted the trees and picked the fruit. They worked the farms. Most have been there for hundreds of years if not more.

I don't see where anyone can claim the right to take that away from them.

How about indigenous right to self-determination, right to be free of discrimination, right to self defense, right to safeguard the heritage and culture?

All these rights are impossible under Arab Muslim colonialism.
Ask the Kurds, Yazidis and many other indigenous people subjugated under the Arab Muslim colonialism.
You say You're against colonialism, but actually You're all for it and for the continuation of discrimination.

However I appreciate Your honesty about the identity of 'Palestinian'

That does not address my post.

I don't see where anyone can claim the right to take that away from them.

Don't You see the hypocrisy in Your statement?
You're justifying a brutal colonialism that eradicates indigenous people, while saying rights cannot be taken from people.

 

[P F Tinmore]

A Native American in the U.S. that is a Christian, speaks English, eats at MacDonalds and runs a casino dressed in an Italian suit, is still indigenous to the Americas.

The test of indigeneity is NOT whether someone has adopted the colonial culture (most do, most are forced to), but whether or not they have retained their own culture. (Communally, not individually).

Thus, as rylah pointed out, those who retained the Jewish culture and continue to self-identify as Jewish are indigenous to the place of origin of the Jewish people (Israel, Judea, Samaria). Those who have lost that culture are not indigenous.

Though, as rylah also pointed out, they have rights for other reasons.

The test of indigeneity is NOT, blah, blah, blah.

Even cave men probably trekked in from someplace else.
Palestine has been invaded, occupied, and conquered many times. It was the crossroad of the world for... well...forever. Many people came and went for thousands of years.

However, there is a core group of people who stayed and put down roots. They built the cities, factories and homes. They planted the trees and picked the fruit. They worked the farms. Most have been there for hundreds of years if not more.

I don't see where anyone can claim the right to take that away from them.

How about indigenous right to self-determination, right to be free of discrimination, right to self defense, right to safeguard the heritage and culture?

All these rights are impossible under Arab Muslim colonialism.
Ask the Kurds, Yazidis and many other indigenous people subjugated under the Arab Muslim colonialism.
You say You're against colonialism, but actually You're all for it and for the continuation of discrimination.

However I appreciate Your honesty about the identity of 'Palestinian'

That does not address my post.

I don't see where anyone can claim the right to take that away from them.

Don't You see the hypocrisy in Your statement?
You're justifying a brutal colonialism that eradicates indigenous people, while saying rights cannot be taken from people.

So, where have these eradicated indigenous people file a legitimate claim?

 

[rylah]

The test of indigeneity is NOT whether someone has adopted the colonial culture (most do, most are forced to), but whether or not they have retained their own culture. (Communally, not individually).

Thus, as rylah pointed out, those who retained the Jewish culture and continue to self-identify as Jewish are indigenous to the place of origin of the Jewish people (Israel, Judea, Samaria). Those who have lost that culture are not indigenous.

Though, as rylah also pointed out, they have rights for other reasons.

The test of indigeneity is NOT, blah, blah, blah.

Even cave men probably trekked in from someplace else.
Palestine has been invaded, occupied, and conquered many times. It was the crossroad of the world for... well...forever. Many people came and went for thousands of years.

However, there is a core group of people who stayed and put down roots. They built the cities, factories and homes. They planted the trees and picked the fruit. They worked the farms. Most have been there for hundreds of years if not more.

I don't see where anyone can claim the right to take that away from them.

How about indigenous right to self-determination, right to be free of discrimination, right to self defense, right to safeguard the heritage and culture?

All these rights are impossible under Arab Muslim colonialism.
Ask the Kurds, Yazidis and many other indigenous people subjugated under the Arab Muslim colonialism.
You say You're against colonialism, but actually You're all for it and for the continuation of discrimination.

However I appreciate Your honesty about the identity of 'Palestinian'

That does not address my post.

I don't see where anyone can claim the right to take that away from them.

Don't You see the hypocrisy in Your statement?
You're justifying a brutal colonialism that eradicates indigenous people, while saying rights cannot be taken from people.

So, where have these eradicated indigenous people file a legitimate claim?

Do You have any legitimate claim to eradicate indigenous people?

 

[rylah]

Anyway all this deflection to legal issues is irrelevant and can be interpreted in many ways.

If You have anything of substance about the definition of 'Palestinian' You're welcome.

 

[louie888]

Even cave men probably trekked in from someplace else.
Palestine has been invaded, occupied, and conquered many times. It was the crossroad of the world for... well...forever. Many people came and went for thousands of years.

However, there is a core group of people who stayed and put down roots. They built the cities, factories and homes. They planted the trees and picked the fruit. They worked the farms. Most have been there for hundreds of years if not more.

I don't see where anyone can claim the right to take that away from them.

How about indigenous right to self-determination, right to be free of discrimination, right to self defense, right to safeguard the heritage and culture?

All these rights are impossible under Arab Muslim colonialism.
Ask the Kurds, Yazidis and many other indigenous people subjugated under the Arab Muslim colonialism.
You say You're against colonialism, but actually You're all for it and for the continuation of discrimination.

However I appreciate Your honesty about the identity of 'Palestinian'

That does not address my post.

I don't see where anyone can claim the right to take that away from them.

Don't You see the hypocrisy in Your statement?
You're justifying a brutal colonialism that eradicates indigenous people, while saying rights cannot be taken from people.

So, where have these eradicated indigenous people file a legitimate claim?

Do You have any legitimate claim to eradicate indigenous people?

Do You have any legitimate claim to eradicate indigenous people?