'Palestinian'

[montelatici]

It's a requirement that indigenous people have a culture of the place, not the culture of the colonizers. By definition.

This needs to be emphasized.

That is ridiculous and would not apply to the European Jews anyway, who were culturally European.

A Native American in the U.S. that is a Christian, speaks English, eats at MacDonalds and runs a casino dressed in an Italian suit, is still indigenous to the Americas.

You simply don't know what 'indigenous' means. Colonizers don't become indigenous, especially when after centuries of residence they don't show any properties of indigenousness.

You are simply making things up. The Muslims and Christians of Palestine were Christians, indigenous to Palestine, when they were conquered by the Arabs. The Arab armies conquered, left Muslim administrators and went on and conquered other lands. They had no people to do the settler colonization thing. Try to read something other than bullshit propaganda. Maybe something from Oxford.

"Muslim commanders left the social structure of the conquered territories almost intact by appointing local Muslim governors and relying on local administrative and financial systems. The populations were not converted en masse but in time the frequency of conversions increased. The reasons for embracing Islam ranged from a desire to come closer to the new masters and share their privileges, to an acknowledgment of, or belief in, the tolerant and syncretistic nature of the new faith. Tolerance, however, could only be granted to the Ahl al Kitab (‘the people of the Book’) that is, those people whom the Qur'an cites as having received revealed scripture: Jews, Christians and the ‘Sabians’. These could not, in principle, be forcibly converted (as could polytheists and disbelievers), and were guaranteed protection and religious autonomy against the payment of a special tax."

Spread of Islam, The - Oxford Islamic Studies Online

 

[montelatici]

The Arabians arrived as rulers, they did not colonize, they didn't have the population to do so. Deserts don't support large populations. Try to use a little logic, for once.

The people that now speak Arabic and now are Muslims and Christians are the indigenous people of the area, their ancestors once practiced Judaism, Samaratinism, Paganism and spoke Aramiac. Greek and Latin. Just as the descendants of the Maya, Inca, Aztecs and others now practice Roman Catholicism and speak Spanish.

The Jews that invaded Palestine came from Europe, spoke European languages and were culturally European. There were no bagels, smoked salmon or gifilte in Palestine before the Europeans arrived.

That's of course a lie that has been debunked here on many levels.
Just one of many example:

Tarabin has an advantage over other tribes like Byada and Ababda tribes through its ownership of land in northern, southern and middle Sinai.
The tribe is spread throughout Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Gaza and is involved in smuggling weapons and aid to fellow tribe members in Gaza, Hussein said.
“A Bedouin's first allegiance is for his tribe then comes the country in second place,” he added.
Metropolitan Bedouins: Tarabin tribe living in Cairo between urbanization and Bedouin traditions

Nothing I have stated was debunked. Fact can't be debunked. Your attempts to delegitimize the Palestinians through propaganda is futile. Because I have the facts.

But, your post is a non-sequitur as usual. What do Bedouins have to do with Palestinians, most were Hashemite followers and live in Jorda. Their population was not even considered for Palestine partition purposes. Had they been considered as part of the Palestinian population, the non-Jews would have out numbered the Jews in the Jew partition as well as in the non-Jewish partition.

You must be thinking these people of Hebron are indigenous to the land:

(Ahed Tamimi- the Palestinian poster child)


The tribe of Banu Tamim (Arabic: بـنـو تـمـيـم‎‎) or Bani Tamim (Arabic: بـني تـمـيـم‎‎) is one of the main tribes of Arabia.

Today, descendants from the tribe live in the Arabian Peninsula and neighboring countries such as Saudi

Arabia, Egypt,[1][2]Iraq, Kuwait, Jordan, Syria, Qatar, Oman, Yemen, Bahrain, Morocco, United Arab Emirates, Iran, Lebanon and Palestine.


Dynasties

• The Aghlabid dynasty
• The Al Thani, ruling family of Qatar. (See House of Thani)
• The Al ash-Sheikh family of the Grand Muftis of the Emirate of Diriyah, then the Emirate of Najd and now modern day Saudi Arabia (Religious Dynasty).

Her relatives must be "indigenous Palestinians" too:

The Emir of Qatar of the Al Thani dynasty of the Banu Tamim tribe.

The theater of the absurd from Rylah. Now, an Indio from Colombia with the last name of Pizarro, is a descendent of the conquistadores.

You are making a fool of yourself. You could have picked someone other than a blonde, blue eyed Palestinian to be descendant of an Arabian. I was stationed in Saudi Arabia while in the Army, I never saw one blonde Saudi. LOL

Nice bait and switch...however Abbas, al-Husayni, al-Masri, Yamani, al-Maghrebi, Tamimi...and Your beloved Hashemite Arafat never became indigenous. They're simply Arabians with close ties to Arabian royalty.

Palestinians with Arabian names have as close a tie to Arabian "royalty" as a Mexican of Aztec origin named Jimenez has to the Spanish Jimenez noble family.

Your dog just won't hunt, give it up.

 

[José]

Originally posted by Rylah
No it's apples and oranges. Aztecs, Incas etc are indigenous.
Arabians and Africans didn't become indigenous to the land by mere colonization.

Originally posted by Rylah
You simply don't know what 'indigenous' means. Colonizers don't become indigenous, especially if they after centuries of residence don't show any properties of indigenousness.

Reverend Dr. James William Parkes

1896 – 1981

​

English theologian and historian.

Parkes collaborated with many Jewish organizations and was president of the Jewish Historical Society of England (1949–51).

James Parkes was one of the most sincere, outspoken, and influential Christian philo-semites of 20th century Britain.

Parkes, James William°

Yes, you read it right... The source above is indeed, the Jewish Virtual Library, that strongly pro-Israel, pro-Jew website.

According to one historian, Parkes "devoted his whole life to fighting anti-Judaism and promoting tolerance of Jews".[2] In that endeavor, for twenty years his was a lone clerical voice against the missionizing of Jews, and he would be the driving force in the founding of the Council of Christians and Jews.

James Parkes (priest) - Wikipedia

 

[José]

According to the historian James William Parkes, during the 1st century after the Arab conquest (640–740), the caliph and governors of Syria and the Holy Land ruled entirely over Christian and Jewish subjects. He further states that apart from the Bedouin in the earliest days, the only Arabs west of the Jordan were the garrisons.[5]

Islamization of Palestine - Wikipedia

 

[José]

José punishing his little son Rylah, for having tried to fool the entire Board lying about a mass arab immigration wave to Palestine that never existed in the real world, only in zionist propaganda.

​

 

[rylah]

One of Mntelatici's links:

44% of Lebanese are Arabians

Reference Populations - Geno 2.0 Next Generation

 

[rylah]

Bani Tamim settled after the Islamic conquests in Egypt and most of them spread in Upper Egypt. There are famous villages of Bani Tamim, such as Tal Bani Tamim, Shebin El Qanater Center, Qalubia Directorate in Lower Egypt, and Beni Mer village in Upper Egypt

معلومات عن قبيلة بـني تـميم

 

[montelatici]

One of Mntelatici's links:

44% of Lebanese are Arabians

Reference Populations - Geno 2.0 Next Generation

And? What does that have to do with Palestinians?

 

[rylah]

One of Mntelatici's links:

44% of Lebanese are Arabians

Reference Populations - Geno 2.0 Next Generation

And? What does that have to do with Palestinians?

It's the same area. One country according to Palestinians themselves.
In Egypt there 17% Arabians, in Lebanon 44%...You do the logic.

 

[montelatici]

Bani Tamim settled after the Islamic conquests in Egypt and most of them spread in Upper Egypt. There are famous villages of Bani Tamim, such as Tal Bani Tamim, Shebin El Qanater Center, Qalubia Directorate in Lower Egypt, and Beni Mer village in Upper Egypt

معلومات عن قبيلة بـني تـميم

The absurdity, why do you insist on making a fool of yourself. People did not assume surnames until around the 13th century anyway FFS. Plus now you are using Egypt, whose people have less than 17% Arabian DNA. You are just making a fool of yourself.

 

[rylah]

Bani Tamim settled after the Islamic conquests in Egypt and most of them spread in Upper Egypt. There are famous villages of Bani Tamim, such as Tal Bani Tamim, Shebin El Qanater Center, Qalubia Directorate in Lower Egypt, and Beni Mer village in Upper Egypt

معلومات عن قبيلة بـني تـميم

The absurdity, why do you insist on making a fool of yourself. People did not assume surnames until around the 13th centiry anyway FFS. Plus now you are using Egypt, whose people have less than 7% Arabian DNA. You are just making a fool of yourself.

You really should choose Your lies more carefully, it's according to Your link:

Egyptians 17% Arabian DNA, Lebanese 44%.
Reference Populations - Geno 2.0 Next Generation

 

[montelatici]

One of Mntelatici's links:

44% of Lebanese are Arabians

Reference Populations - Geno 2.0 Next Generation

And? What does that have to do with Palestinians?

It's the same area. One country according to Palestinians themselves.
In Egypt there 17% Arabians, in Lebanon 44%...You do the logic.

 

[rylah]

Absurdity is to claim that Palestine is an isolated land, where nobody passed and people never changed aka "THEY"RE ALL CANAANITES'

Just think of the many conquests, from Mongols, Romans, Greeks to Arabians.

 

[P F Tinmore]

I'm just going to leave this here.

Shusa believes that Colombians, Argentines, Chileans, Venezuelans, Uruguayans, Bolivians and other Latin Americans (except the Brazilians) are the same because they share the Spanish language and Hispanic culture. For Shusa Latin America is made up of two countries Brazil and Hispania Americana. The lengths at wich these Zionist clowns will go to delegitimize the Palestinians is hilarious. Especially when their badly thought through memes get debunked.

So, it would appear that aside from your blustering, you agree that Pal'istanian is nothing more than a label used by Arafat to assign an invented national identity to an invented people, most of whom were Egyptian, Syrian and Lebanese squatters.

Not really. It was a legal designation since 1924.

So British colonialism becomes 'legal' when it suits Palestinians' ever-changing agenda...

Not really. That was a treaty obligation that followed international law.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Absurdity is to claim that Palestine is an isolated land, where nobody passed and people never changed aka "THEY"RE ALL CANAANITES'

Just think of the many conquests, from Mongols, Romans, Greeks to Arabians.

Who ever said that?
It is an Israeli straw man argument.

 

[P F Tinmore]

So, the indios and meztizos of Latin America who speak Spanish, are Roman Catholics and have adopted the Hispanic culture cease to be indigenous. That's a new one.

So, Jorge Enriquez, a Mexican footballer, comes from the Spanish noble house of Enriquez.

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You are hilarious.

House of Enriquez.

House of Enríquez - Wikipedia

No it's apples and oranges. Aztecs, Incas etc are indigenous.
Arabians and Africans didn't become indigenous to the land by mere colonization.

The Arabians arrived as rulers, they did not colonize, they didn't have the population to do so. Deserts don't support large populations. Try to use a little logic, for once.

The people that now speak Arabic and now are Muslims and Christians are the indigenous people of the area, their ancestors once practiced Judaism, Samaratinism, Paganism and spoke Aramiac. Greek and Latin. Just as the descendants of the Maya, Inca, Aztecs and others now practice Roman Catholicism and speak Spanish.

The Jews that invaded Palestine came from Europe, spoke European languages and were culturally European. There were no bagels, smoked salmon or gifilte in Palestine before the Europeans arrived.

That's of course a lie that has been debunked here on many levels.
Just one of many example:

Tarabin has an advantage over other tribes like Byada and Ababda tribes through its ownership of land in northern, southern and middle Sinai.
The tribe is spread throughout Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Gaza and is involved in smuggling weapons and aid to fellow tribe members in Gaza, Hussein said.
“A Bedouin's first allegiance is for his tribe then comes the country in second place,” he added.
Metropolitan Bedouins: Tarabin tribe living in Cairo between urbanization and Bedouin traditions

Nothing I have stated was debunked. Fact can't be debunked. Your attempts to delegitimize the Palestinians through propaganda is futile. Because I have the facts.

But, your post is a non-sequitur as usual. What do Bedouins have to do with Palestinians, most were Hashemite followers and live in Jorda. Their population was not even considered for Palestine partition purposes. Had they been considered as part of the Palestinian population, the non-Jews would have out numbered the Jews in the Jew partition as well as in the non-Jewish partition.

You must be thinking these people of Hebron are indigenous to the land:

(Ahed Tamimi- the Palestinian poster child)


The tribe of Banu Tamim (Arabic: بـنـو تـمـيـم‎‎) or Bani Tamim (Arabic: بـني تـمـيـم‎‎) is one of the main tribes of Arabia.

Today, descendants from the tribe live in the Arabian Peninsula and neighboring countries such as Saudi

Arabia, Egypt,[1][2]Iraq, Kuwait, Jordan, Syria, Qatar, Oman, Yemen, Bahrain, Morocco, United Arab Emirates, Iran, Lebanon and Palestine.


Dynasties

• The Aghlabid dynasty
• The Al Thani, ruling family of Qatar. (See House of Thani)
• The Al ash-Sheikh family of the Grand Muftis of the Emirate of Diriyah, then the Emirate of Najd and now modern day Saudi Arabia (Religious Dynasty).

Her relatives must be "indigenous Palestinians" too:

The Emir of Qatar of the Al Thani dynasty of the Banu Tamim tribe.

Indeed,this whole argument is ridiculous.

 

[montelatici]

One of Mntelatici's links:

44% of Lebanese are Arabians

Reference Populations - Geno 2.0 Next Generation

And? What does that have to do with Palestinians?

It's the same area. One country according to Palestinians themselves.
In Egypt there 17% Arabians, in Lebanon 44%...You do the logic.

Tunisians have 4% Arabian DNA. Egyptians 17%

There is no logic you haven't a clue what the percentage of Arabian DNA Palestinians have maybe 4% maybe 17%. From the same NG study Ashkenazi Jews have 10% Arabian DNA, they are more Arabian than "Arab" Tunisians.

"12. Ashkenazi Jews (Jews who originated in Eastern Europe): 10 percent"


DNA analysis proves Arabs aren't entirely Arab

 

[montelatici]

Bani Tamim settled after the Islamic conquests in Egypt and most of them spread in Upper Egypt. There are famous villages of Bani Tamim, such as Tal Bani Tamim, Shebin El Qanater Center, Qalubia Directorate in Lower Egypt, and Beni Mer village in Upper Egypt

معلومات عن قبيلة بـني تـميم

The absurdity, why do you insist on making a fool of yourself. People did not assume surnames until around the 13th centiry anyway FFS. Plus now you are using Egypt, whose people have less than 7% Arabian DNA. You are just making a fool of yourself.

You really should choose Your lies more carefully, it's according to Your link:

Egyptians 17% Arabian DNA, Lebanese 44%.
Reference Populations - Geno 2.0 Next Generation

No lies, a typo 17 vs. 7. Corrected.

 

[rylah]

Absurdity is to claim that Palestine is an isolated land, where nobody passed and people never changed aka "THEY"RE ALL CANAANITES'

Just think of the many conquests, from Mongols, Romans, Greeks to Arabians.

Who ever said that?
It is an Israeli straw man argument.

Palestinians themselves

 

[rylah]

One of Mntelatici's links:

44% of Lebanese are Arabians

Reference Populations - Geno 2.0 Next Generation

And? What does that have to do with Palestinians?

It's the same area. One country according to Palestinians themselves.
In Egypt there 17% Arabians, in Lebanon 44%...You do the logic.

Tunisians have 4% Arabian DNA. Egyptians 17%

There is no logic you haven't a clue what the percentage of Arabian DNA Palestinians have maybe 4% maybe 17%. From the same NG study Ashkenazi Jews have 10% Arabian DNA, they are more Arabian than "Arab" Tunisians.

"12. Ashkenazi Jews (Jews who originated in Eastern Europe): 10 percent"


DNA analysis proves Arabs aren't entirely Arab

Aaaand....Palestinians identify as BOTH Egyptians and Lebanese.
But also Saudis, Syrians, Yemenites...

You already know all this