Palestine and Jerusalem belong to Muslims

[aris2chat]

You criticized Roudy for not telling you where he grew up. Why is that important to you? Are you an internet stalker ?

I criticized him for it simply because he keeps attempting to utilize it as an appeal to authority. Notice how I have never asked any of you for such information. If he told me he drew his experience from books I would likewise ask him what the titles of the books were. It's the same thing. If he wants to use it as an appeal to authority then it shouldn't be surprising for someone to inquire about more details concerning said authority; there is after all a huge difference between growing up in Indonesia or Albania, or Senegal, or Saudi Arabia. Saying he "grew up in a Muslim country" doesn't really tell me anything useful as far as his experience goes, especially in the face of his historically demonstrated weakness in the area of religious and historical basics within Islam.

I also find you guys trying to rush to his defense somewhat amusing given his proclivity for and widespread use of personal attacks on other posters.

I've seen how a little information in the wrong hands can be dangerous. You can dismiss what he says or accept it. You do not need to know any more to somehow defame him, endanger him or attack him.

He might give you details of what stores were on the street, what the building looked like and who was next door. Details the average person would not have access to. You do not have the right to ask for more.

Personal details are just that, personal.

Just as a note of caution, this site may have Muslims who are sending viruses / malware / popups / extensions to possibly hack into your computer. I keep having to delete this extension that invites me to listen to the Koran. Ha ha ha. I located the program but the damn thing wouldn't allow me to uninstall it. It was nasty. I did some research and discovered that I needed to get a program that "force uninstalled" it from my programs and all the registries it had lodged itself into. I was better than having to go out and get a new laptop. On the downside I've been wanting to have an excuse to get the new Apple laptop, heard a lot of great things about it.

never a problem for me.
Mac lap top very fast almost never viruses or mal. After more than a year my Sony was a little slow, through I keep it well maintained. Was given a win clean and it is almost as fast as my mac.
The downloads and restarts with windows can be annoying on occasion because I rarely shut down, I just put to sleep. It is just a few seconds so I shouldn't complain.

I wanted to have a non apple device just in case some attachments or programs aren't compatible. Apple is pretty much virus / malware free. I'm glad I figured out how to remove that nasty extension / malware from my hard drive. The moral is, be careful what you click on, it could be set up to get something bad on your device. At least scan the link before you click on it to make sure it's safe.

Scan everything before opening or clicking. You can check out the safety of sites before entering. Things you do want and download might have "extra" attachments that you need to read carefully and opt of those particular add ons. Extensions that have errors or problems should be removed unless it is something you need and willing to set perimeters. Close tool bars not needed and open only when you do want to use them, then close again......don't leave the house with an open window on the first floor.

I loved my laptop but I prefer to sit at a table with a screen MUCH larger and use a real mouse, or pen mouse, or drawing pad, or use touch screen. Big screen computer can be used as a large tablet if I needed to show something to my mother or anyone else within internet range.

I still prefer the mac for photo editing, video, media. For surfing the web and reading I like my window, BIG FONTS. Either one could be plugged into the flat screen TV if I wanted to watch a movie or youtube I downloaded.

Don't like that mac and windows don't like interacting.

 

[Roudy]

And yet there are formal scholars across the Muslim world that support these Islamic terrorist organizations. You're just bringing up those that disagree.

Islamic Scholar Pledges Allegiance to ISIS Emir Abu Bakr Al-Baghdadi Live on Al-Jazeera TV

Like I said, I'd be happy to have a formal debate with you about it given your level of confidence in the subject matter. Let me know when you are sure enough in your knowledge to partake.

I thought that is what we were doing here. You're just upset that your propaganda has fallen flat.

Like I said, claiming that these groups and their actions "have nothing to do with Islam" is a blatant lie, deceiving the ignorant.

No, it isn't. You aren't willing to really hold such discussions because it forces you to address specific points and provide a base level of support for your arguments that you usually try to avoid through personal attacks, ignoring the material in question or through simply abandoning the Thread. These "risks" limit the amount of time one is willing to spend crafting an individual post / reply. I've run into this problem with you on multiple occasions before. Thus I have little incentive to spend 30 minutes writing a detailed post if you are simply going to respond with an insult and then ignore the bulk of its content. You wouldn't have that option in a more structured thread and thus would free others up to talk more about the specific issues. If you can't talk about these subjects without that safety blanket I understand, I just thought I'd give you the option of putting your proverbial money where your mouth is in order to gauge the strength of your conviction and how comfortable you really are with the material.

Again, you, a non Muslim, keep claiming to know more about Islam than all these devout Muslims, their leaders, and their followers, born and bred in religious Islamic families, like Bin Laden and Al Bagdady. I am very secular, not a Muslim nor am I born and bred in a religious family. Just someone who has experienced Islam on a personal level and seen it's effects. And I'll take that over all the bullshit and double talk coming from you.

That's what I thought. let me know when you are ready to man up.

Go find someone else to play in your stupid sandbox. You got your butt handed to you, I proved you wrong at every turn.

 

[Roudy]

I criticized him for it simply because he keeps attempting to utilize it as an appeal to authority. Notice how I have never asked any of you for such information. If he told me he drew his experience from books I would likewise ask him what the titles of the books were. It's the same thing. If he wants to use it as an appeal to authority then it shouldn't be surprising for someone to inquire about more details concerning said authority; there is after all a huge difference between growing up in Indonesia or Albania, or Senegal, or Saudi Arabia. Saying he "grew up in a Muslim country" doesn't really tell me anything useful as far as his experience goes, especially in the face of his historically demonstrated weakness in the area of religious and historical basics within Islam.

I also find you guys trying to rush to his defense somewhat amusing given his proclivity for and widespread use of personal attacks on other posters.

I've seen how a little information in the wrong hands can be dangerous. You can dismiss what he says or accept it. You do not need to know any more to somehow defame him, endanger him or attack him.

He might give you details of what stores were on the street, what the building looked like and who was next door. Details the average person would not have access to. You do not have the right to ask for more.

Personal details are just that, personal.

Just as a note of caution, this site may have Muslims who are sending viruses / malware / popups / extensions to possibly hack into your computer. I keep having to delete this extension that invites me to listen to the Koran. Ha ha ha. I located the program but the damn thing wouldn't allow me to uninstall it. It was nasty. I did some research and discovered that I needed to get a program that "force uninstalled" it from my programs and all the registries it had lodged itself into. I was better than having to go out and get a new laptop. On the downside I've been wanting to have an excuse to get the new Apple laptop, heard a lot of great things about it.

never a problem for me.
Mac lap top very fast almost never viruses or mal. After more than a year my Sony was a little slow, through I keep it well maintained. Was given a win clean and it is almost as fast as my mac.
The downloads and restarts with windows can be annoying on occasion because I rarely shut down, I just put to sleep. It is just a few seconds so I shouldn't complain.

I wanted to have a non apple device just in case some attachments or programs aren't compatible. Apple is pretty much virus / malware free. I'm glad I figured out how to remove that nasty extension / malware from my hard drive. The moral is, be careful what you click on, it could be set up to get something bad on your device. At least scan the link before you click on it to make sure it's safe.

Scan everything before opening or clicking. You can check out the safety of sites before entering. Things you do want and download might have "extra" attachments that you need to read carefully and opt of those particular add ons. Extensions that have errors or problems should be removed unless it is something you need and willing to set perimeters. Close tool bars not needed and open only when you do want to use them, then close again......don't leave the house with an open window on the first floor.

I loved my laptop but I prefer to sit at a table with a screen MUCH larger and use a real mouse, or pen mouse, or drawing pad, or use touch screen. Big screen computer can be used as a large tablet if I needed to show something to my mother or anyone else within internet range.

I still prefer the mac for photo editing, video, media. For surfing the web and reading I like my window, BIG FONTS. Either one could be plugged into the flat screen TV if I wanted to watch a movie or youtube I downloaded.

Don't like that mac and windows don't like interacting.

Correct, also, check your programs regularly to delete any programs that may have been sneaked in.

 

[aris2chat]

I've seen how a little information in the wrong hands can be dangerous. You can dismiss what he says or accept it. You do not need to know any more to somehow defame him, endanger him or attack him.

He might give you details of what stores were on the street, what the building looked like and who was next door. Details the average person would not have access to. You do not have the right to ask for more.

Personal details are just that, personal.

Just as a note of caution, this site may have Muslims who are sending viruses / malware / popups / extensions to possibly hack into your computer. I keep having to delete this extension that invites me to listen to the Koran. Ha ha ha. I located the program but the damn thing wouldn't allow me to uninstall it. It was nasty. I did some research and discovered that I needed to get a program that "force uninstalled" it from my programs and all the registries it had lodged itself into. I was better than having to go out and get a new laptop. On the downside I've been wanting to have an excuse to get the new Apple laptop, heard a lot of great things about it.

never a problem for me.
Mac lap top very fast almost never viruses or mal. After more than a year my Sony was a little slow, through I keep it well maintained. Was given a win clean and it is almost as fast as my mac.
The downloads and restarts with windows can be annoying on occasion because I rarely shut down, I just put to sleep. It is just a few seconds so I shouldn't complain.

I wanted to have a non apple device just in case some attachments or programs aren't compatible. Apple is pretty much virus / malware free. I'm glad I figured out how to remove that nasty extension / malware from my hard drive. The moral is, be careful what you click on, it could be set up to get something bad on your device. At least scan the link before you click on it to make sure it's safe.

Scan everything before opening or clicking. You can check out the safety of sites before entering. Things you do want and download might have "extra" attachments that you need to read carefully and opt of those particular add ons. Extensions that have errors or problems should be removed unless it is something you need and willing to set perimeters. Close tool bars not needed and open only when you do want to use them, then close again......don't leave the house with an open window on the first floor.

I loved my laptop but I prefer to sit at a table with a screen MUCH larger and use a real mouse, or pen mouse, or drawing pad, or use touch screen. Big screen computer can be used as a large tablet if I needed to show something to my mother or anyone else within internet range.

I still prefer the mac for photo editing, video, media. For surfing the web and reading I like my window, BIG FONTS. Either one could be plugged into the flat screen TV if I wanted to watch a movie or youtube I downloaded.

Don't like that mac and windows don't like interacting.

Correct, also, check your programs regularly to delete any programs that may have been sneaked in.

I'm sure you were always told.....read the fine print

 

[Phoenall]

you

Sorry I only lived and grew up in a Muslim country.

I've heard you say this many times, and yet you can't 1.) name the country and 2.) you continuously get very basic things incorrect, such as in the thread where we discussed Yemen and you thought that the Sahih Bukhari was part of the Quran. No one with even a passing knowledge of the basics of Islam would make that mistake. No one. So even if you did spend some time in a Muslim country you obviously never studied the religion at all.

ISIS and Al Queda are practicing true Sunni Islam.

That's interesting since they consider each other rather heretical. It doesn't make sense to say that they are BOTH practicing true Sunni Islam when the way that they practice it is so different from each other and indeed opposed to each other.

Iran's Mullah's are practicing true Shia Islam. In fact that's exactly what they are both saying. I don't understsnd what all the confusion is all about.

Iran's council is by far one of the weakest Shia theological institutions in the world. Shia centers of theology tend to surround Qom and Najaf. Historically speaking and theologically speaking, Iran's political shia model goes against classical Shia Islam and is a relatively new expression on the faith.

When Ayatollah Khomeini rose to power in 1979, he specifically said that he's there to establish and export pure Islam. ISIS's leader, who is a devout cleric makes the same claims, they are establishing AN ISLAMIC STATE. What's misunderstanding here?

And Joseph Kony insists that he is establishing a Christian state based on the ten commandments as he has his children soldiers rape their families. These people saying such things doesn't mean that they are legit. You seem to rather be succumbing to the propaganda of these radical groups.

Have no right to personal information. You should not be asking and it is not permitted to discuss such things beyond what a poster chooses to reveal. You are not permitted to use any person information to attack, defame or harm the poster in any way.

It is none of your d$%* business!

Ha ha ha thanks Aris. You're a sweetheart and one of the fairest people I have known.

Would make a very good mod if she wanted to wear that mantle again. But after dealing with immature scots and self centred Greeks I very much doubt she would.

Thanks but that was a headache and a half. What was it for almost two years? I prefer my freedom and use my time for other things. The archiving alone took so much of the time.....and the people were just blind and mean just "because".

They are still the same and crazy has closed her board to them because of their looney left wing attitudes. Even pathwalker has thrown the towel in and given the ark to the chuckleheads.

 

[Phoenall]

Have no right to personal information. You should not be asking and it is not permitted to discuss such things beyond what a poster chooses to reveal. You are not permitted to use any person information to attack, defame or harm the poster in any way.

It is none of your d$%* business!

I did not claim a right to personal information. Take a couple of deep breaths and try again.

don't ask about where he grew up or go digging into his past. This for some is personal information. When I left it took decades before I spoke about my past to anyone. I still won't disclose information about my family, expect perhaps small hints or passing references. Any more details could endanger my relatives.
It does not matter what country or where. Either you accept or don't. It is not your place to ask any more information about him or his past. As big as the middle east is, it a relatively small world when it come to knowledge of families or where people come from. It is far from being as disconnected as in the west.

His personal experience has been proven in his knowledge and understanding. If you want to try to dispute something, leave his past and personal information out of it.

If he is going to attempt to use personal information to claim authority then I have every right to ask about it or to dismiss said claim to authority. He is the one who brought it up not me. Once again, take a couple of deep breaths and calm down.

No, it is personal information. Not your business, not to be spread on the forum. I've had experience where someone put the fragments of who I know, what I had don't and manage to realize who I was. They made threats and are went to jail. Any good forum moderator would warn people not to disclose personal information and never to ask for information about others or use information about others on the forum.

Where he grew up is not your business. There are enough other details in his knowledge to prove he is no stranger off the street killing time. Take it or leave it, but stop asking.

If it was THAT big of a deal then

1.) He wouldn't reference it again and again and use it as a claim to authority
2.) the Forum wouldn't have a built in location setting based on country as part of the standard profile package.

You're making a mountain out of a molehill.

And you are acting like a stalker hoping to dig some dirt on the people you are stalking to use as a weapon to silence their voices. Wont work as I will just report every perceived stalking, flaming and troll post

 

[Phoenall]

You know whats sad? compared to modern Islamists he is considered a moderate now SMFH

Yup. Compared to the savagery we see today, the Shia's seem moderate. Yet many forget that the Islamic republic had armies of little children taken by force from their parents, with plastic "keys to heaven" necklaces, they would make them walk through minefields in order to clear the path for tanks, in the Iran / Iraq war. In their prisons, the clerics and guards would rape female political prisoners before their execution because non virgins won't go to heaven in Islam. So it's not that the Shia's are less savage, at that time we didn't have youtube, and people have forgotten.

You are right, the human waves. I remember reading about that, Khomeini was willing to sacrifice so many of his own people I don't see how he was so revered, maybe thats just something I won't understand.

in the beginning, Khomieni executed anybody he could get his hands on, that had anything to do with the previous regime or said anything against the regime. His regime has probably killed at least a few hundred thousand Iranians.

Wasn't he also the author of a book on Islamic practises in reagrds to sex with animals and children as young as babies. The islamonazi's tried to discount it as the original was in 4 "books" while the translation was in 5

 

[Phoenall]

Have no right to personal information. You should not be asking and it is not permitted to discuss such things beyond what a poster chooses to reveal. You are not permitted to use any person information to attack, defame or harm the poster in any way.

It is none of your d$%* business!

I did not claim a right to personal information. Take a couple of deep breaths and try again.

You criticized Roudy for not telling you where he grew up. Why is that important to you? Are you an internet stalker ?

I criticized him for it simply because he keeps attempting to utilize it as an appeal to authority. Notice how I have never asked any of you for such information. If he told me he drew his experience from books I would likewise ask him what the titles of the books were. It's the same thing. If he wants to use it as an appeal to authority then it shouldn't be surprising for someone to inquire about more details concerning said authority; there is after all a huge difference between growing up in Indonesia or Albania, or Senegal, or Saudi Arabia. Saying he "grew up in a Muslim country" doesn't really tell me anything useful as far as his experience goes, especially in the face of his historically demonstrated weakness in the area of religious and historical basics within Islam.

I also find you guys trying to rush to his defense somewhat amusing given his proclivity for and widespread use of personal attacks on other posters.

I've seen how a little information in the wrong hands can be dangerous. You can dismiss what he says or accept it. You do not need to know any more to somehow defame him, endanger him or attack him.

He might give you details of what stores were on the street, what the building looked like and who was next door. Details the average person would not have access to. You do not have the right to ask for more.

Personal details are just that, personal.

And we both know how dangerous those details can be in the wrong hands, two stalkers in particular are still posting my personal details on certain boards and seeing them removed asap. They also complain to board owners when they are banned from posting because of their illegal actions.

 

[Phoenall]

I did not claim a right to personal information. Take a couple of deep breaths and try again.

You criticized Roudy for not telling you where he grew up. Why is that important to you? Are you an internet stalker ?

I criticized him for it simply because he keeps attempting to utilize it as an appeal to authority. Notice how I have never asked any of you for such information. If he told me he drew his experience from books I would likewise ask him what the titles of the books were. It's the same thing. If he wants to use it as an appeal to authority then it shouldn't be surprising for someone to inquire about more details concerning said authority; there is after all a huge difference between growing up in Indonesia or Albania, or Senegal, or Saudi Arabia. Saying he "grew up in a Muslim country" doesn't really tell me anything useful as far as his experience goes, especially in the face of his historically demonstrated weakness in the area of religious and historical basics within Islam.

I also find you guys trying to rush to his defense somewhat amusing given his proclivity for and widespread use of personal attacks on other posters.

I've seen how a little information in the wrong hands can be dangerous. You can dismiss what he says or accept it. You do not need to know any more to somehow defame him, endanger him or attack him.

He might give you details of what stores were on the street, what the building looked like and who was next door. Details the average person would not have access to. You do not have the right to ask for more.

Personal details are just that, personal.

Just as a note of caution, this site may have Muslims who are sending viruses / malware / popups / extensions to possibly hack into your computer. I keep having to delete this extension that invites me to listen to the Koran. Ha ha ha. I located the program but the damn thing wouldn't allow me to uninstall it. It was nasty. I did some research and discovered that I needed to get a program that "force uninstalled" it from my programs and all the registries it had lodged itself into. I was better than having to go out and get a new laptop. On the downside I've been wanting to have an excuse to get the new Apple laptop, heard a lot of great things about it.

never a problem for me.
Mac lap top very fast almost never viruses or mal. After more than a year my Sony was a little slow, through I keep it well maintained. Was given a win clean and it is almost as fast as my mac.
The downloads and restarts with windows can be annoying on occasion because I rarely shut down, I just put to sleep. It is just a few seconds so I shouldn't complain.

If it is windows that is causing the problems then download LINUX which is free and let it be your O.S. Can be run from a cd and so does not need a hard drive, unless you want to store information. I run it from a memory card on the smallest computer and it loads in seconds and beats windows and mac to a pulp. Look up the Rasberry Pi and its functions to see how capable and strong it is.

 

[Phoenall]

You criticized Roudy for not telling you where he grew up. Why is that important to you? Are you an internet stalker ?

I criticized him for it simply because he keeps attempting to utilize it as an appeal to authority. Notice how I have never asked any of you for such information. If he told me he drew his experience from books I would likewise ask him what the titles of the books were. It's the same thing. If he wants to use it as an appeal to authority then it shouldn't be surprising for someone to inquire about more details concerning said authority; there is after all a huge difference between growing up in Indonesia or Albania, or Senegal, or Saudi Arabia. Saying he "grew up in a Muslim country" doesn't really tell me anything useful as far as his experience goes, especially in the face of his historically demonstrated weakness in the area of religious and historical basics within Islam.

I also find you guys trying to rush to his defense somewhat amusing given his proclivity for and widespread use of personal attacks on other posters.

I've seen how a little information in the wrong hands can be dangerous. You can dismiss what he says or accept it. You do not need to know any more to somehow defame him, endanger him or attack him.

He might give you details of what stores were on the street, what the building looked like and who was next door. Details the average person would not have access to. You do not have the right to ask for more.

Personal details are just that, personal.

Just as a note of caution, this site may have Muslims who are sending viruses / malware / popups / extensions to possibly hack into your computer. I keep having to delete this extension that invites me to listen to the Koran. Ha ha ha. I located the program but the damn thing wouldn't allow me to uninstall it. It was nasty. I did some research and discovered that I needed to get a program that "force uninstalled" it from my programs and all the registries it had lodged itself into. I was better than having to go out and get a new laptop. On the downside I've been wanting to have an excuse to get the new Apple laptop, heard a lot of great things about it.

never a problem for me.
Mac lap top very fast almost never viruses or mal. After more than a year my Sony was a little slow, through I keep it well maintained. Was given a win clean and it is almost as fast as my mac.
The downloads and restarts with windows can be annoying on occasion because I rarely shut down, I just put to sleep. It is just a few seconds so I shouldn't complain.

I wanted to have a non apple device just in case some attachments or programs aren't compatible. Apple is pretty much virus / malware free. I'm glad I figured out how to remove that nasty extension / malware from my hard drive. The moral is, be careful what you click on, it could be set up to get something bad on your device. At least scan the link before you click on it to make sure it's safe.

You an always use an emulator like WINE that will run windows programmes in a virtual PC.

I use an anti virus/anti malware/anti Trojan programme that does it automatically, can be a bind when it picks up virus signatures that are not viruses in the first place.

 

[Osomir]

Like I said, I'd be happy to have a formal debate with you about it given your level of confidence in the subject matter. Let me know when you are sure enough in your knowledge to partake.

I thought that is what we were doing here. You're just upset that your propaganda has fallen flat.

Like I said, claiming that these groups and their actions "have nothing to do with Islam" is a blatant lie, deceiving the ignorant.

No, it isn't. You aren't willing to really hold such discussions because it forces you to address specific points and provide a base level of support for your arguments that you usually try to avoid through personal attacks, ignoring the material in question or through simply abandoning the Thread. These "risks" limit the amount of time one is willing to spend crafting an individual post / reply. I've run into this problem with you on multiple occasions before. Thus I have little incentive to spend 30 minutes writing a detailed post if you are simply going to respond with an insult and then ignore the bulk of its content. You wouldn't have that option in a more structured thread and thus would free others up to talk more about the specific issues. If you can't talk about these subjects without that safety blanket I understand, I just thought I'd give you the option of putting your proverbial money where your mouth is in order to gauge the strength of your conviction and how comfortable you really are with the material.

Again, you, a non Muslim, keep claiming to know more about Islam than all these devout Muslims, their leaders, and their followers, born and bred in religious Islamic families, like Bin Laden and Al Bagdady. I am very secular, not a Muslim nor am I born and bred in a religious family. Just someone who has experienced Islam on a personal level and seen it's effects. And I'll take that over all the bullshit and double talk coming from you.

That's what I thought. let me know when you are ready to man up.

Go find someone else to play in your stupid sandbox. You got your butt handed to you, I proved you wrong at every turn.

lol. "I handed you your but, but I am not confident enough in my argument to have a formal discussion about it."

 

[Roudy]

I thought that is what we were doing here. You're just upset that your propaganda has fallen flat.

Like I said, claiming that these groups and their actions "have nothing to do with Islam" is a blatant lie, deceiving the ignorant.

No, it isn't. You aren't willing to really hold such discussions because it forces you to address specific points and provide a base level of support for your arguments that you usually try to avoid through personal attacks, ignoring the material in question or through simply abandoning the Thread. These "risks" limit the amount of time one is willing to spend crafting an individual post / reply. I've run into this problem with you on multiple occasions before. Thus I have little incentive to spend 30 minutes writing a detailed post if you are simply going to respond with an insult and then ignore the bulk of its content. You wouldn't have that option in a more structured thread and thus would free others up to talk more about the specific issues. If you can't talk about these subjects without that safety blanket I understand, I just thought I'd give you the option of putting your proverbial money where your mouth is in order to gauge the strength of your conviction and how comfortable you really are with the material.

Again, you, a non Muslim, keep claiming to know more about Islam than all these devout Muslims, their leaders, and their followers, born and bred in religious Islamic families, like Bin Laden and Al Bagdady. I am very secular, not a Muslim nor am I born and bred in a religious family. Just someone who has experienced Islam on a personal level and seen it's effects. And I'll take that over all the bullshit and double talk coming from you.

That's what I thought. let me know when you are ready to man up.

Go find someone else to play in your stupid sandbox. You got your butt handed to you, I proved you wrong at every turn.

lol. "I handed you your but, but I am not confident enough in my argument to have a formal discussion about it."

"The reason I got my butt kicked, is because this forum is not conducive to my bullshit. Not fair!"

 

[Osomir]

No, it isn't. You aren't willing to really hold such discussions because it forces you to address specific points and provide a base level of support for your arguments that you usually try to avoid through personal attacks, ignoring the material in question or through simply abandoning the Thread. These "risks" limit the amount of time one is willing to spend crafting an individual post / reply. I've run into this problem with you on multiple occasions before. Thus I have little incentive to spend 30 minutes writing a detailed post if you are simply going to respond with an insult and then ignore the bulk of its content. You wouldn't have that option in a more structured thread and thus would free others up to talk more about the specific issues. If you can't talk about these subjects without that safety blanket I understand, I just thought I'd give you the option of putting your proverbial money where your mouth is in order to gauge the strength of your conviction and how comfortable you really are with the material.

Again, you, a non Muslim, keep claiming to know more about Islam than all these devout Muslims, their leaders, and their followers, born and bred in religious Islamic families, like Bin Laden and Al Bagdady. I am very secular, not a Muslim nor am I born and bred in a religious family. Just someone who has experienced Islam on a personal level and seen it's effects. And I'll take that over all the bullshit and double talk coming from you.

That's what I thought. let me know when you are ready to man up.

Go find someone else to play in your stupid sandbox. You got your butt handed to you, I proved you wrong at every turn.

lol. "I handed you your but, but I am not confident enough in my argument to have a formal discussion about it."

"The reason I got my butt kicked, is because this forum is not conducive to my bullshit. Not fair!"

It is conducive to the style in which I'd like to engage in discussion as per my pointing to the new sub-Forum. You're just too scared to go in there.

 

[Roudy]

You know whats sad? compared to modern Islamists he is considered a moderate now SMFH

Yup. Compared to the savagery we see today, the Shia's seem moderate. Yet many forget that the Islamic republic had armies of little children taken by force from their parents, with plastic "keys to heaven" necklaces, they would make them walk through minefields in order to clear the path for tanks, in the Iran / Iraq war. In their prisons, the clerics and guards would rape female political prisoners before their execution because non virgins won't go to heaven in Islam. So it's not that the Shia's are less savage, at that time we didn't have youtube, and people have forgotten.

You are right, the human waves. I remember reading about that, Khomeini was willing to sacrifice so many of his own people I don't see how he was so revered, maybe thats just something I won't understand.

in the beginning, Khomieni executed anybody he could get his hands on, that had anything to do with the previous regime or said anything against the regime. His regime has probably killed at least a few hundred thousand Iranians.

Wasn't he also the author of a book on Islamic practises in reagrds to sex with animals and children as young as babies. The islamonazi's tried to discount it as the original was in 4 "books" while the translation was in 5

He's written several books on Islam. Yet Osomir thinks he knows more. Perhaps he can invite an Islamic scholar to a formal suck off.

 

[Roudy]

Again, you, a non Muslim, keep claiming to know more about Islam than all these devout Muslims, their leaders, and their followers, born and bred in religious Islamic families, like Bin Laden and Al Bagdady. I am very secular, not a Muslim nor am I born and bred in a religious family. Just someone who has experienced Islam on a personal level and seen it's effects. And I'll take that over all the bullshit and double talk coming from you.

That's what I thought. let me know when you are ready to man up.

Go find someone else to play in your stupid sandbox. You got your butt handed to you, I proved you wrong at every turn.

lol. "I handed you your but, but I am not confident enough in my argument to have a formal discussion about it."

"The reason I got my butt kicked, is because this forum is not conducive to my bullshit. Not fair!"

It is conducive to the style in which I'd like to engage in discussion as per my pointing to the new sub-Forum. You're just too scared to go in there.

So you need a special type of forum just so you don't get your butt kicked? Does this forum give you mental diarrhea?

What a whiny ***** you are.

 

[Osomir]

You know whats sad? compared to modern Islamists he is considered a moderate now SMFH

Yup. Compared to the savagery we see today, the Shia's seem moderate. Yet many forget that the Islamic republic had armies of little children taken by force from their parents, with plastic "keys to heaven" necklaces, they would make them walk through minefields in order to clear the path for tanks, in the Iran / Iraq war. In their prisons, the clerics and guards would rape female political prisoners before their execution because non virgins won't go to heaven in Islam. So it's not that the Shia's are less savage, at that time we didn't have youtube, and people have forgotten.

You are right, the human waves. I remember reading about that, Khomeini was willing to sacrifice so many of his own people I don't see how he was so revered, maybe thats just something I won't understand.

in the beginning, Khomieni executed anybody he could get his hands on, that had anything to do with the previous regime or said anything against the regime. His regime has probably killed at least a few hundred thousand Iranians.

Wasn't he also the author of a book on Islamic practises in reagrds to sex with animals and children as young as babies. The islamonazi's tried to discount it as the original was in 4 "books" while the translation was in 5

He's written several books on Islam. Yet Osomir thinks he knows more. Perhaps he can invite an Islamic scholar to a formal suck off.

I think that I am familiar enough with Islam to know that he doesn't represent the majority of Shia religious thought and to know that Shias are not supposed to theologically follow dead Marjas. You on the other hand didn't even know that the main shia theological centers were in Qom and Najaf and tried to instead assert that they rested with Iran's Supreme leader in Tehran. Which is a pretty basic and fundamental error to make.

 

[Osomir]

That's what I thought. let me know when you are ready to man up.

Go find someone else to play in your stupid sandbox. You got your butt handed to you, I proved you wrong at every turn.

lol. "I handed you your but, but I am not confident enough in my argument to have a formal discussion about it."

"The reason I got my butt kicked, is because this forum is not conducive to my bullshit. Not fair!"

It is conducive to the style in which I'd like to engage in discussion as per my pointing to the new sub-Forum. You're just too scared to go in there.

So you need a special type of forum just so you don't get your butt kicked? Does this forum give you mental diarrhea?

What a whiny ***** you are.

Let me know if you ever grow a spine

 

[Roudy]

Yup. Compared to the savagery we see today, the Shia's seem moderate. Yet many forget that the Islamic republic had armies of little children taken by force from their parents, with plastic "keys to heaven" necklaces, they would make them walk through minefields in order to clear the path for tanks, in the Iran / Iraq war. In their prisons, the clerics and guards would rape female political prisoners before their execution because non virgins won't go to heaven in Islam. So it's not that the Shia's are less savage, at that time we didn't have youtube, and people have forgotten.

You are right, the human waves. I remember reading about that, Khomeini was willing to sacrifice so many of his own people I don't see how he was so revered, maybe thats just something I won't understand.

in the beginning, Khomieni executed anybody he could get his hands on, that had anything to do with the previous regime or said anything against the regime. His regime has probably killed at least a few hundred thousand Iranians.

Wasn't he also the author of a book on Islamic practises in reagrds to sex with animals and children as young as babies. The islamonazi's tried to discount it as the original was in 4 "books" while the translation was in 5

He's written several books on Islam. Yet Osomir thinks he knows more. Perhaps he can invite an Islamic scholar to a formal suck off.

I think that I am familiar enough with Islam to know that he doesn't represent the majority of Shia religious thought and to know that Shias are not supposed to theologically follow dead Marjas. You on the other hand didn't even know that the main shia theological centers were in Qom and Najaf and tried to instead assert that they rested with Iran's Supreme leader in Tehran. Which is a pretty basic and fundamental error to make.

I think you are a nobody compared to the Grand Ayatollah and founder of the Iranian Islamic Shia revolution. His picture is in every Iranian business and govt. office. Iran is majority Shia nation and stronghold for Shia Islam. So for you to say he means nothing to majority of Shias is just another display of your ignorance. He is also revered by Hezbollah, the Shia terrorist force Iran founded, and has "prophet" status.

Where is your evidence that I didn't know Shia theological centers are in shithole Qom? You're just making up outrageous shit now.

Funny.

 

[Roudy]

Go find someone else to play in your stupid sandbox. You got your butt handed to you, I proved you wrong at every turn.

lol. "I handed you your but, but I am not confident enough in my argument to have a formal discussion about it."

"The reason I got my butt kicked, is because this forum is not conducive to my bullshit. Not fair!"

It is conducive to the style in which I'd like to engage in discussion as per my pointing to the new sub-Forum. You're just too scared to go in there.

So you need a special type of forum just so you don't get your butt kicked? Does this forum give you mental diarrhea?

What a whiny ***** you are.

Let me know if you ever grow a spine

You're the one who can't have an intelligent discussion based on facts right here, not me.

What is it, like the 7th time I've proven you wrong in this thread?

 

[Osomir]

You are right, the human waves. I remember reading about that, Khomeini was willing to sacrifice so many of his own people I don't see how he was so revered, maybe thats just something I won't understand.

in the beginning, Khomieni executed anybody he could get his hands on, that had anything to do with the previous regime or said anything against the regime. His regime has probably killed at least a few hundred thousand Iranians.

Wasn't he also the author of a book on Islamic practises in reagrds to sex with animals and children as young as babies. The islamonazi's tried to discount it as the original was in 4 "books" while the translation was in 5

He's written several books on Islam. Yet Osomir thinks he knows more. Perhaps he can invite an Islamic scholar to a formal suck off.

I think that I am familiar enough with Islam to know that he doesn't represent the majority of Shia religious thought and to know that Shias are not supposed to theologically follow dead Marjas. You on the other hand didn't even know that the main shia theological centers were in Qom and Najaf and tried to instead assert that they rested with Iran's Supreme leader in Tehran. Which is a pretty basic and fundamental error to make.

I think you are a nobody compared to the Grand Ayatollah and founder of the Iranian Islamic Shia revolution. His picture is in every Iranian business and govt. office. Iran is majority Shia nation and stronghold for Shia Islam. So for you to say he means nothing to majority of Shias is just another display of your ignorance. He is also revered by Hezbollah, the Shia terrorist force Iran founded, and has "prophet" status.

Where is your evidence that I didn't know Shia theological centers are in shithole Qom? You're just making up outrageous shit now.

Funny.

You can't seem to distinguish here between political significance and theological significance. Once again, a pretty basic error.