Palestine and Jerusalem belong to Muslims

[aris2chat]

Again who cares. You are obviously a Muslim

lol I was wondering when you were going to try to claim that I am a secret Muslim again. You literally JUST said that since I was not a Muslim then my opinion didn't matter a page or two back, but since you think I am a Muslim now then you must think that my opinion not only matters, but is more applicable than yours (being a non-Muslim yourself).

You don't seem very consistent. For the record, I'm not a Muslim, nor have I ever been, nor has anyone in my family. The fact that you need to justify your lack of knowledge of Islamic fundamentals by attempting to characterize me as some sort of subversive figure is pretty telling and makes you look insecure.

which has absolutely nothing to do with reality or history, or facts on the ground.

I can source, through the use of western scholarly and military intelligence works everything related to Islam that I have stated in this thread, which is why I am more than happy to have a formal sourced discussion with you on any of these issues at your leisure. I'd also be happy to provide specific sources here upon request for specific statements as well.

Until the arrival of KHOMEINI guys like Sistani were just respected scholars and basically nobodies. Khomeini (may he burn in hell for enternity) made Islamic Shiism into a powerful expansionist terrorist ideology. Which brought about the rise of radical Sunni groups like Al Queda and others as a counter balance. He is revered and emulated by many hardliners and you will see picture like a mythical figure all over Shia based organizations, including terrorist ones like Hezbollah. So for you to dismiss who he was and his knowledge of Islam is ludicrous at best.

I haven't dismissed him as an important modern Islamist figure at all, I have merely disagreed with your specific characterization of him and your overemphasis of his theological reach and purity in the light of traditional Shia belief structures.

I'm not sure how you can be so sure of yourself when it must be obvious to you how little you know in the grand scheme of things. You've already admitted that you are no expert.

Yes I am sure that nobody is as important as Khomeni, his legacy, and his ideology in shiite Islam today. The current supreme leader in Iran is just maintaning Khomeinis ideology and interpretation of Islam, and continuing the imperialistic terroristic ambitions that Khomeini had. You don't dismiss him as a important figure but you dismiss him as a religious figure and his theological reach. However, all the important Shia Islamist movements today are headquartered out of Iran and based on Khomeinis ideology and game plan of world conquest. Yet Osomir says no go. Ha ha ha you are hilarious.

You also don't seem to be aware of the fact here that most Shias are not Islamists. Once again: basics.

Ya don't say! I bet you're about to say that some Shias are in fact SECULAR non practicing Muslims. Wow, you're just full of factoids today!

No, the reality of Shiism is that it has traditionally be a politically quietest movement; which made Khomeini's brand of political Shiism a relatively new theological concept and practice and limited his theological appeal outside of Iran and among traditionalists (That and his Spanish Sufi leanings). Once again: basics.

politically quiet?

They might be the minority but they are not quiet and never have been.

 

[Osomir]

politically quiet?

They might be the minority but they are not quiet and never have been.

Yes. Politically quiet, that is to say they historically have not merged theology within areas of state rule (something which is theologically restricted to the Mahdi) rather they bade their time for the coming of their future political leader (the 12th Imam). The closest they really came before Iran was the Safavids and even there theologically they were simply placeholders of an imperfect state even under their own propaganda.

 

[Roudy]

Yes I am sure that nobody is as important as Khomeni, his legacy, and his ideology in shiite Islam today. The current supreme leader in Iran is just maintaning Khomeinis ideology and interpretation of Islam, and continuing the imperialistic terroristic ambitions that Khomeini had. You don't dismiss him as a important figure but you dismiss him as a religious figure and his theological reach. However, all the important Shia Islamist movements today are headquartered out of Iran and based on Khomeinis ideology and game plan of world conquest. Yet Osomir says no go. Ha ha ha you are hilarious.

You also don't seem to be aware of the fact here that most Shias are not Islamists. Once again: basics.

Ya don't say! I bet you're about to say that some Shias are in fact SECULAR non practicing Muslims. Wow, you're just full of factoids today!

No, the reality of Shiism is that it has traditionally be a politically quietest movement; which made Khomeini's brand of political Shiism a relatively new theological concept and practice and limited his theological appeal outside of Iran and among traditionalists (That and his Spanish Sufi leanings). Once again: basics.

Again, yeah so? It doesn't make him any less of a scholar or theologian as you keep insisting. In fact he is more revered and respected because Shias have been oppressed by majority Sunnis. He gave them a voice, albeit a violent one, and based it on faith.

And the entire Shia movement and uprisings are orchestrated and directed by Iran, which are the fruits of Khomenis ideology. There aren't that many shiite communities, Iran has penetrated if not colonized and conquered all of them. The biggest shiite populations are Iran and Iraq, which are all under the control and ideology of Khomeinism.

You seem lonely. Isn't there a Private room where you could snuggle up with an Islamic scholar and charge him like $40 by the dance?

You say that they are under the control of "Khomeinism" but don't seem to be aware of the fact that usuli forbids Shias from emulating dead Marjas, and you continue to be unable to distinguish between the political and the theological, the Imam title is a political one, it is not a theological one akin to the 12 Imams of Jafari jurisprudence. Those who actually worship him, not only do so in violation of the basic beliefs of 12er Shiism, but are a small minority of Shias globally. You also keep ignoring that the center for Shia religious ideology is currently not Tehran, but Qom and Najaf. Once again: basics.

You keep assuming that I don't know that Qom, Najaf, and Karbala mean to Shiites. I have seen Shiites beating the crap out of themselves to a bloody pulp in their self flaggelation ceremonies. And, you keep trying to separate the political from the ideological, which only an idiot would do, because we all know that Islam is both, especially today.

You are trying to unsucessfully force the limited knowledge you have and apply it to what is happening in Islam today on the ground, which is, the shiite clerics in Iran are calling all the shots, some from Qom, and some from Tehran through the tentacles of the Islamic republic. And their ideology is derived from the teachings and ideology of khomeini. That is why each of the big wigs in the islamic shiite movement, like Nasrallah, will have a picture of Khomeini and / or Khamenei in his office. They are the main spiritual and leaders, the equivalent of a Catholic having the picture of the pope or a Jew having a picture of some head rabbi. They look to them for spiritual guidance and it is a sense of pride for them.

Now, you want to get into the ticky tack whether the Shiites can call some else an Imam, who gives a ****! Khomenie's official title is imam in the entire nation of Iran and Iran's puppets in the region, it is both spiritual and political, and if they catch you insulting him or his memory, you die or get tortured! You really need to get over this so called theological BS, which has no relevance to real life except for maybe in a classroom. Like I said, in all religions, when a leader wants to violate its tenements they just reinterpret it a different way, BS, or simply claim to have some kind of divine revelation to justify their hypocrisy and savagery.

And again, since you are such an Islamic scholar, and "honest" about the faith, I didn't see you correct Muskim75, in that mohammad himself told his followers in two ways that Israel and jerusalem are for Jews. One, he told them that facing Jerusalem was for jews, Muslims should face Mecca, and two, he confirmed the story of exodus and that the promised land belongs to Jews until the hereafter.

Now why is it that you didn't correct Muslim 75 a so called devout Muslim?

Isn't there something about it being haram for a Muslim to side with a non Muslim. Never mind. Ya Ali!

 

[toastman]

What's with your avatar ?

politically quiet?

They might be the minority but they are not quiet and never have been.

Yes. Politically quiet, that is to say they historically have not merged theology within areas of state rule (something which is theologically restricted to the Mahdi) rather they bade their time for the coming of their future political leader (the 12th Imam). The closest they really came before Iran was the Safavids and even there theologically they were simply placeholders of an imperfect state even under their own propaganda.

What's with your avatar?

 

[Osomir]

What's with your avatar ?

politically quiet?

They might be the minority but they are not quiet and never have been.

Yes. Politically quiet, that is to say they historically have not merged theology within areas of state rule (something which is theologically restricted to the Mahdi) rather they bade their time for the coming of their future political leader (the 12th Imam). The closest they really came before Iran was the Safavids and even there theologically they were simply placeholders of an imperfect state even under their own propaganda.

What's with your avatar?

It is the Seal of Solomon from the Jewish medieval mythos, a ring used by King Solomon to bind demons to his will and build the first temple of Solomon. I like Jewish and Christian mythology, though I am not well versed in Judaic theology so my ventures into the apocrypha and related texts have largely had a Christian focus. It was supposedly given to him by the archangel Michael and is referenced in various writings from the Testament of Solomon to the two books on the Key of Solomon. They are later constructed texts but fun and give good incites into the evolution of European faith structures along with the other texts that never really made it into (or lasted) within the evolution of Christian scripture.

 

[Osomir]

You also don't seem to be aware of the fact here that most Shias are not Islamists. Once again: basics.

Ya don't say! I bet you're about to say that some Shias are in fact SECULAR non practicing Muslims. Wow, you're just full of factoids today!

No, the reality of Shiism is that it has traditionally be a politically quietest movement; which made Khomeini's brand of political Shiism a relatively new theological concept and practice and limited his theological appeal outside of Iran and among traditionalists (That and his Spanish Sufi leanings). Once again: basics.

Again, yeah so? It doesn't make him any less of a scholar or theologian as you keep insisting. In fact he is more revered and respected because Shias have been oppressed by majority Sunnis. He gave them a voice, albeit a violent one, and based it on faith.

And the entire Shia movement and uprisings are orchestrated and directed by Iran, which are the fruits of Khomenis ideology. There aren't that many shiite communities, Iran has penetrated if not colonized and conquered all of them. The biggest shiite populations are Iran and Iraq, which are all under the control and ideology of Khomeinism.

You seem lonely. Isn't there a Private room where you could snuggle up with an Islamic scholar and charge him like $40 by the dance?

You say that they are under the control of "Khomeinism" but don't seem to be aware of the fact that usuli forbids Shias from emulating dead Marjas, and you continue to be unable to distinguish between the political and the theological, the Imam title is a political one, it is not a theological one akin to the 12 Imams of Jafari jurisprudence. Those who actually worship him, not only do so in violation of the basic beliefs of 12er Shiism, but are a small minority of Shias globally. You also keep ignoring that the center for Shia religious ideology is currently not Tehran, but Qom and Najaf. Once again: basics.

You keep assuming that I don't know that Qom, Najaf, and Karbala mean to Shiites. I have seen Shiites beating the crap out of themselves to a bloody pulp in their self flaggelation ceremonies. And, you keep trying to separate the political from the ideological, which only an idiot would do, because we all know that Islam is both, especially today.

You are trying to unsucessfully force the limited knowledge you have and apply it to what is happening in Islam today on the ground, which is, the shiite clerics in Iran are calling all the shots, some from Qom, and some from Tehran through the tentacles of the Islamic republic. And their ideology is derived from the teachings and ideology of khomeini. That is why each of the big wigs in the islamic shiite movement, like Nasrallah, will have a picture of Khomeini and / or Khamenei in his office. They are the main spiritual and leaders, the equivalent of a Catholic having the picture of the pope or a Jew having a picture of some head rabbi. They look to them for spiritual guidance and it is a sense of pride for them.

Now, you want to get into the ticky tack whether the Shiites can call some else an Imam, who gives a ****! Khomenie's official title is imam in the entire nation of Iran and Iran's puppets in the region, it is both spiritual and political, and if they catch you insulting him or his memory, you die or get tortured! You really need to get over this so called theological BS, which has no relevance to real life except for maybe in a classroom. Like I said, in all religions, when a leader wants to violate its tenements they just reinterpret it a different way, BS, or simply claim to have some kind of divine revelation to justify their hypocrisy and savagery.

And again, since you are such an Islamic scholar, and "honest" about the faith, I didn't see you correct Muskim75, in that mohammad himself told his followers in two ways that Israel and jerusalem are for Jews. One, he told them that facing Jerusalem was for jews, Muslims should face Mecca, and two, he confirmed the story of exodus and that the promised land belongs to Jews until the hereafter.

Now why is it that you didn't correct Muslim 75 a so called devout Muslim?

Isn't there something about it being haram for a Muslim to side with a non Muslim. Never mind. Ya Ali!

lol. As I said, I have western and military intelligence sources for every statement that I have made in this thread. You've even been arguing against some direct quotes from the people that you are trying to speak for. I'll post a list of sources for you on Friday for the things that I have posted thus far. As a side note, saying that you have seen Shias commemorating Ashura and the martyrdom of Hussein isn't very impressive. That isn't a very uncommon sight. Second side note, I have disagreed a lot with Muslim75. In fact, my first post in this entire thread was directed at him, and you can check his threads in the religious forum. I believe I told him that he was an embarrassment to his brothers. Is that critical of him enough for you?

 

[aris2chat]

What's with your avatar ?

politically quiet?

They might be the minority but they are not quiet and never have been.

Yes. Politically quiet, that is to say they historically have not merged theology within areas of state rule (something which is theologically restricted to the Mahdi) rather they bade their time for the coming of their future political leader (the 12th Imam). The closest they really came before Iran was the Safavids and even there theologically they were simply placeholders of an imperfect state even under their own propaganda.

What's with your avatar?

It is the Seal of Solomon from the Jewish medieval mythos, a ring used by King Solomon to bind demons to his will and build the first temple of Solomon. I like Jewish and Christian mythology, though I am not well versed in Judaic theology so my ventures into the apocrypha and related texts have largely had a Christian focus. It was supposedly given to him by the archangel Michael and is referenced in various writings from the Testament of Solomon to the two books on the Key of Solomon. They are later constructed texts but fun and give good incites into the evolution of European faith structures along with the other texts that never really made it into (or lasted) within the evolution of Christian scripture.

 

[aris2chat]

What's with your avatar ?

politically quiet?

They might be the minority but they are not quiet and never have been.

Yes. Politically quiet, that is to say they historically have not merged theology within areas of state rule (something which is theologically restricted to the Mahdi) rather they bade their time for the coming of their future political leader (the 12th Imam). The closest they really came before Iran was the Safavids and even there theologically they were simply placeholders of an imperfect state even under their own propaganda.

What's with your avatar?

It is the Seal of Solomon from the Jewish medieval mythos, a ring used by King Solomon to bind demons to his will and build the first temple of Solomon. I like Jewish and Christian mythology, though I am not well versed in Judaic theology so my ventures into the apocrypha and related texts have largely had a Christian focus. It was supposedly given to him by the archangel Michael and is referenced in various writings from the Testament of Solomon to the two books on the Key of Solomon. They are later constructed texts but fun and give good incites into the evolution of European faith structures along with the other texts that never really made it into (or lasted) within the evolution of Christian scripture.

 

[aris2chat]

you don't know the difference between david and solomon?

 

[Osomir]

you don't know the difference between david and solomon?

Seal of Solomon - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Nice try though.

 

[aris2chat]

you don't know the difference between david and solomon?

Seal of Solomon - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Nice try though.

citation needed

or did you miss that. Some put it in with nothing to back up the claim.

 

[Osomir]

you don't know the difference between david and solomon?

Seal of Solomon - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Nice try though.

citation needed

or did you miss that. Some put it in with nothing to back up the claim.

There are many variations of it. It was a medieval tradition and is more of a concept from the Testament of Solomon (which is about Solomon not David) and his use of the ring / seal to build the first temple. It isn't meant to be academic, it is meant to be an avatar on a message board. Once again take a couple of deep breaths and calm down.

 

[aris2chat]

House of david, earth air fire water, moon jupiter neptune pluto saturn mars, male female, that is all the star means.
For demons or any magic controlled by solomon would need to be more extensive.
You are aware the six point star is also widely used in Islamic art? Magic and witchcraft are forbidden in Islam. The star hold no magic.
Perhaps you should try a book on theurgy or ancient magic instead of relying on Wiki for your only source of information.

 

[aris2chat]

you don't know the difference between david and solomon?

Seal of Solomon - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Nice try though.

citation needed

or did you miss that. Some put it in with nothing to back up the claim.

There are many variations of it. It was a medieval tradition and is more of a concept from the Testament of Solomon (which is about Solomon not David) and his use of the ring / seal to build the first temple. It isn't meant to be academic, it is meant to be an avatar on a message board. Once again take a couple of deep breaths and calm down.

you don't know the difference between david and solomon?

Seal of Solomon - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Nice try though.

citation needed

or did you miss that. Some put it in with nothing to back up the claim.

There are many variations of it. It was a medieval tradition and is more of a concept from the Testament of Solomon (which is about Solomon not David) and his use of the ring / seal to build the first temple. It isn't meant to be academic, it is meant to be an avatar on a message board. Once again take a couple of deep breaths and calm down.

Testament of Solomon is the 5th C AD work. This you through was really by or about the real solomon?

 

[Roudy]

Ya don't say! I bet you're about to say that some Shias are in fact SECULAR non practicing Muslims. Wow, you're just full of factoids today!

No, the reality of Shiism is that it has traditionally be a politically quietest movement; which made Khomeini's brand of political Shiism a relatively new theological concept and practice and limited his theological appeal outside of Iran and among traditionalists (That and his Spanish Sufi leanings). Once again: basics.

Again, yeah so? It doesn't make him any less of a scholar or theologian as you keep insisting. In fact he is more revered and respected because Shias have been oppressed by majority Sunnis. He gave them a voice, albeit a violent one, and based it on faith.

And the entire Shia movement and uprisings are orchestrated and directed by Iran, which are the fruits of Khomenis ideology. There aren't that many shiite communities, Iran has penetrated if not colonized and conquered all of them. The biggest shiite populations are Iran and Iraq, which are all under the control and ideology of Khomeinism.

You seem lonely. Isn't there a Private room where you could snuggle up with an Islamic scholar and charge him like $40 by the dance?

You say that they are under the control of "Khomeinism" but don't seem to be aware of the fact that usuli forbids Shias from emulating dead Marjas, and you continue to be unable to distinguish between the political and the theological, the Imam title is a political one, it is not a theological one akin to the 12 Imams of Jafari jurisprudence. Those who actually worship him, not only do so in violation of the basic beliefs of 12er Shiism, but are a small minority of Shias globally. You also keep ignoring that the center for Shia religious ideology is currently not Tehran, but Qom and Najaf. Once again: basics.

You keep assuming that I don't know that Qom, Najaf, and Karbala mean to Shiites. I have seen Shiites beating the crap out of themselves to a bloody pulp in their self flaggelation ceremonies. And, you keep trying to separate the political from the ideological, which only an idiot would do, because we all know that Islam is both, especially today.

You are trying to unsucessfully force the limited knowledge you have and apply it to what is happening in Islam today on the ground, which is, the shiite clerics in Iran are calling all the shots, some from Qom, and some from Tehran through the tentacles of the Islamic republic. And their ideology is derived from the teachings and ideology of khomeini. That is why each of the big wigs in the islamic shiite movement, like Nasrallah, will have a picture of Khomeini and / or Khamenei in his office. They are the main spiritual and leaders, the equivalent of a Catholic having the picture of the pope or a Jew having a picture of some head rabbi. They look to them for spiritual guidance and it is a sense of pride for them.

Now, you want to get into the ticky tack whether the Shiites can call some else an Imam, who gives a ****! Khomenie's official title is imam in the entire nation of Iran and Iran's puppets in the region, it is both spiritual and political, and if they catch you insulting him or his memory, you die or get tortured! You really need to get over this so called theological BS, which has no relevance to real life except for maybe in a classroom. Like I said, in all religions, when a leader wants to violate its tenements they just reinterpret it a different way, BS, or simply claim to have some kind of divine revelation to justify their hypocrisy and savagery.

And again, since you are such an Islamic scholar, and "honest" about the faith, I didn't see you correct Muskim75, in that mohammad himself told his followers in two ways that Israel and jerusalem are for Jews. One, he told them that facing Jerusalem was for jews, Muslims should face Mecca, and two, he confirmed the story of exodus and that the promised land belongs to Jews until the hereafter.

Now why is it that you didn't correct Muslim 75 a so called devout Muslim?

Isn't there something about it being haram for a Muslim to side with a non Muslim. Never mind. Ya Ali!

lol. As I said, I have western and military intelligence sources for every statement that I have made in this thread. You've even been arguing against some direct quotes from the people that you are trying to speak for. I'll post a list of sources for you on Friday for the things that I have posted thus far. As a side note, saying that you have seen Shias commemorating Ashura and the martyrdom of Hussein isn't very impressive. That isn't a very uncommon sight. Second side note, I have disagreed a lot with Muslim75. In fact, my first post in this entire thread was directed at him, and you can check his threads in the religious forum. I believe I told him that he was an embarrassment to his brothers. Is that critical of him enough for you?

Military sources? Ha ha ha. How about talking to some Iranians and Shiites? What do military sources have to do with who Khomieni was, his legacy, his influence and relevance to today's events? You sound cuckoo

How about correcting him theologically? Do you agree that Mohammad believed the land of Israel belonged to the Jews, and that he instructed Muslims to stop praying to Jerusalem and face Mecca?

He an embarrassment, but very typical of the mentality of man on the street Muslim.

 

[Roudy]

you don't know the difference between david and solomon?

Seal of Solomon - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Nice try though.

citation needed

or did you miss that. Some put it in with nothing to back up the claim.

There are many variations of it. It was a medieval tradition and is more of a concept from the Testament of Solomon (which is about Solomon not David) and his use of the ring / seal to build the first temple. It isn't meant to be academic, it is meant to be an avatar on a message board. Once again take a couple of deep breaths and calm down.

you don't know the difference between david and solomon?

Seal of Solomon - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Nice try though.

citation needed

or did you miss that. Some put it in with nothing to back up the claim.

There are many variations of it. It was a medieval tradition and is more of a concept from the Testament of Solomon (which is about Solomon not David) and his use of the ring / seal to build the first temple. It isn't meant to be academic, it is meant to be an avatar on a message board. Once again take a couple of deep breaths and calm down.

Testament of Solomon is the 5th C AD work. This you through was really by or about the real solomon?

But he has "military sources"!

 

[aris2chat]

you don't know the difference between david and solomon?

Seal of Solomon - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Nice try though.

citation needed

or did you miss that. Some put it in with nothing to back up the claim.

There are many variations of it. It was a medieval tradition and is more of a concept from the Testament of Solomon (which is about Solomon not David) and his use of the ring / seal to build the first temple. It isn't meant to be academic, it is meant to be an avatar on a message board. Once again take a couple of deep breaths and calm down.

you don't know the difference between david and solomon?

Seal of Solomon - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Nice try though.

citation needed

or did you miss that. Some put it in with nothing to back up the claim.

There are many variations of it. It was a medieval tradition and is more of a concept from the Testament of Solomon (which is about Solomon not David) and his use of the ring / seal to build the first temple. It isn't meant to be academic, it is meant to be an avatar on a message board. Once again take a couple of deep breaths and calm down.

Testament of Solomon is the 5th C AD work. This you through was really by or about the real solomon?

But he has "military sources"!

What nation, what branch, what rank, what specialty, what other degree??????

 

[Roudy]

Seal of Solomon - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Nice try though.

citation needed

or did you miss that. Some put it in with nothing to back up the claim.

There are many variations of it. It was a medieval tradition and is more of a concept from the Testament of Solomon (which is about Solomon not David) and his use of the ring / seal to build the first temple. It isn't meant to be academic, it is meant to be an avatar on a message board. Once again take a couple of deep breaths and calm down.

Seal of Solomon - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Nice try though.

citation needed

or did you miss that. Some put it in with nothing to back up the claim.

There are many variations of it. It was a medieval tradition and is more of a concept from the Testament of Solomon (which is about Solomon not David) and his use of the ring / seal to build the first temple. It isn't meant to be academic, it is meant to be an avatar on a message board. Once again take a couple of deep breaths and calm down.

Testament of Solomon is the 5th C AD work. This you through was really by or about the real solomon?

But he has "military sources"!

What nation, what branch, what rank, what specialty, what other degree??????

The military and CIA intelligence sources in his noisy head speak to him and tell him who khomeini was, if he was following Shia Islam correctly, and what the seal of Solomon looked like, among other things.

And oh.....can we get a private room?!

 

[Osomir]

House of david, earth air fire water, moon jupiter neptune pluto saturn mars, male female, that is all the star means.
For demons or any magic controlled by solomon would need to be more extensive.
You are aware the six point star is also widely used in Islamic art? Magic and witchcraft are forbidden in Islam. The star hold no magic.
Perhaps you should try a book on theurgy or ancient magic instead of relying on Wiki for your only source of information.

I specifically cited that my source for the item was the Testament of Solomon, and the Star of David is prevalent in many traditions including the occult and demonology as is the Testament of Solomon (it does talk about the binding of demons afterall).

 

[Osomir]

you don't know the difference between david and solomon?

Seal of Solomon - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Nice try though.

citation needed

or did you miss that. Some put it in with nothing to back up the claim.

There are many variations of it. It was a medieval tradition and is more of a concept from the Testament of Solomon (which is about Solomon not David) and his use of the ring / seal to build the first temple. It isn't meant to be academic, it is meant to be an avatar on a message board. Once again take a couple of deep breaths and calm down.

you don't know the difference between david and solomon?

Seal of Solomon - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Nice try though.

citation needed

or did you miss that. Some put it in with nothing to back up the claim.

There are many variations of it. It was a medieval tradition and is more of a concept from the Testament of Solomon (which is about Solomon not David) and his use of the ring / seal to build the first temple. It isn't meant to be academic, it is meant to be an avatar on a message board. Once again take a couple of deep breaths and calm down.

Testament of Solomon is the 5th C AD work. This you through was really by or about the real solomon?

No. In fact I specifically stated that they were "later books but still fun". I also referred to the Keys of Solomon as later works. You are starting to appear rather desperate in your attempts to "get me" on something.